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Originally posted by Magnetonium OK then. Move on. You dont understand the purpose of this thread. You are jumping to quick conclusions based on your ignorance. Ignorance is a very common human feature. You havent even found an argument to do based on what I typed from the book, have you? Thats why your answers are senseless, it does not matter if I was "rambling" senseless information from the book.

uh oh, you asked for it....here comes a 4 page post...







*waits* - edit - nevermind.

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Originally posted by Renegade My Buddhist (or whatever the theistic branch of Buddhists call themselves) friend gave me this book a couple of years ago. Never actually read through it, though, as I immediately disconcerted by the notion that this guy actually thought he could talk to God. I mean, that has to be one of the first signs of genuine mental instability, yeah? Besides, Magnetonium, if the ideas contained within its pages are so profound, then you'll be happy to paraphrase them for us in your own words in order to generate discussion right? I hope you aren't just one of these trolls who copy and paste huge, unreadable chunks of text from external sources to compensate for their hideous lack of original thought or something....

AUTHOR: TO WHOM DOES GOD COMMUNICATE? ARE THERE SPECIAL PEOPLE? ARE THERE SPECIAL TIMES?

GOD: All people are special, and all moments are golden. There is no person and there is no time one more special than the other. Many people choose to believe that GOD communicates in special ways and only with special people. This removes the mass of the people from responsibility from hearing MY MESSAGE, much less receiving it (which is another matter), and allows them to take someone else's word for everything. You dont have to listen to me, for you've already decided that others have heard from ME on every subject, and you have them to listen to. But listening to what other people think they heard ME say, you dont have to think at all. This is the biggest reason for most people turning from MY messages on a personal level. If you acknowledge that you are receiving MY messages directly, then you are responsible for interpreting them. It is far safer and much easier to accept the interpretation of others (even others who have lived 2000 years ago) than seek to interpret the message you may very well be receiving in this moment now. If you think you are right about everything, who needs to talk with God? Obviously, there's something you dont understand. That which you do understand must seem right to you, because RIGHT is a term you use to designate something with which you agree. What you've missed will, therefore, appear at first WRONG. tHE ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS IS t oask yourself, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYTHING I THOUGHT WAS WRONG, WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT? Every great scientist knows about this.

God talks to everyone, butthe question is, who listens?


Me: I guess you havent got past the first two pages of the first book, cause this information is found on page 6. Yes, he does talk about him talking with God on page 2 or so, and it does sound weird. But he also tells not to take this information seriously, use it only as a guide. Its funny, cause later on it says "So, are you saying that this book is being accurate by posting inaccurate information?" Now reconsider. What's better, you living in a world if ignorance or whatever you may call it, or you reading the first page of this thread, and actually trying to understand what is being said.

So, uh..how many of you have actually read the first 3 posts?

Yeah...thought so.

-edit- not as though the 2nd post in the thread had any significant impact

for crying out loud, if you have no God or religion in your life, then ignore the damn thread! all you nonbelievers get so damn irritated when someone wants to talk about religion or whatever, and you bitch and complain that they are "pushing" their views on you, but you guys are the ones that seem to be so pushy and narrow minded, whenever i read/hear someone ranting about evolution or how god doesn't exist, bla bla bla, i feel like i'm being pursuaded to join a cult or something. like those scientology guys.

So what exactly was the purpose of this thread? To admire the great skills of copying, with errors, paragraphs from a book?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On So, uh..how many of you have actually read the first 3 posts? Yeah...thought so. -edit- not as though the 2nd post in the thread had any significant impact

But do you understand? Does it makes sense? Do you think someone without a degree can make that kind of information up, because he is crazy or something? Nobody is asking you to join a cult, or change yourself in any way. It is just information, intended to open your eyes more to the world around you ... it DOES make sense.

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Originally posted by Slylee for crying out loud, if you have no God or religion in your life, then ignore the damn thread! all you nonbelievers get so damn irritated when someone wants to talk about religion or whatever, and you bitch and complain that they are "pushing" their views on you, but you guys are the ones that seem to be so pushy and narrow minded, whenever i read/hear someone ranting about evolution or how god doesn't exist, bla bla bla, i feel like i'm being pursuaded to join a cult or something. like those scientology guys.

Preach it, Sistah!

I don't have a God in my life - I recognize the fact that the very label we place on the concept of God does not exclude me. As such, I AM god - just as much as any of you are a part of the idea as well.

We are all God in our own right - the difference comes in viewing yourself in the specific light, the difference comes in truly bridging the gap between the idea that God is everything and you are everything as well. That's all this is saying. There is no cult or religious mesage here - it's a (long) teliological statement which encompasses much of what we understand or think we understand about the Universe. Take it for what it is - don't be paranoid about somebody 'converting' you all the time!

NO I WON'T JOIN!

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Originally posted by ierxium So what exactly was the purpose of this thread? To admire the great skills of copying, with errors, paragraphs from a book?

Well, I am in an internet lounge, paying 3 bucks an hour for internet - I dont have much time to copy the whole book. I was just interested in sharing some of the views expressed in the book, and for you to make your own conclusions. Dont change your life. Maybe this will open your eyes more to the world. You dont have to believe the information. One day you'll find out the truth for yourself, because your superconsciousness knows everything ...

I dont have skills. I didnt write the book. I was curious what others thought about it. Thats all.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Well, I am in an internet lounge

i dare you to ask the person next to you if they know any good beastiality sites.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I don't have a God in my life - I recognize the fact that the very label we place on the concept of God does not exclude me. As such, I AM god - just as much as any of you are a part of the idea as well. We are all God in our own right - the difference comes in viewing yourself in the specific light, the difference comes in truly bridging the gap between the idea that God is everything and you are everything as well. That's all this is saying. There is no cult or religious mesage here - it's a (long) teliological statement which encompasses much of what we understand or think we understand about the Universe. Take it for what it is - don't be paranoid about somebody 'converting' you all the time!

THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEBODY POSTS AN INTERESTING ANSWER! That is almost exactly how I think.

I am going out to each my lunch now, for crying out loud, I am HUNGRY, I'll be back in couple hours or so!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium But do you understand? Does it makes sense? Do you think someone without a degree can make that kind of information up, because he is crazy or something? Nobody is asking you to join a cult, or change yourself in any way. It is just information, intended to open your eyes more to the world around you ... it DOES make sense.

Yes, I think it made a lot of sense - it has significant basis in a LOT of Scientific theories and facts - it's not all just religious garbage, it's not about a guy 'talking to God' - it's about recognizing, through YOURSELF, that there is a God and his part of you is equally distributed throughout all of mankind. This part is perfection, and the only people who cannot see are those who refuse to open their eyes.

Personally, I think most people just couldn't get past the very first time they saw the word 'God' on the thread - the statement was lost from there.

It's a shame, really - such valuable musings wasted on people who do not wish to do anything but ridicule.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Yes, I think it made a lot of sense - it has significant basis in a LOT of Scientific theories and facts - it's not all just religious garbage, it's not about a guy 'talking to God' - it's about recognizing, through YOURSELF, that there is a God and his part of you is equally distributed throughout all of mankind. This part is perfection, and the only people who cannot see are those who refuse to open their eyes. Personally, I think most people just couldn't get past the very first time they saw the word 'God' on the thread - the statement was lost from there. It's a shame, really - such valuable musings wasted on people who do not wish to do anything but ridicule.

Thanks. You are a one intelligent person. Have you read the book(s), by the way? They are translated in over 30 languages around the world, best seller ...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Well, I am in an internet lounge, paying 3 bucks an hour for internet - I dont have much time to copy the whole book. I was just interested in sharing some of the views expressed in the book, and for you to make your own conclusions. Dont change your life. Maybe this will open your eyes more to the world. You dont have to believe the information. One day you'll find out the truth for yourself, because your superconsciousness knows everything ... I dont have skills. I didnt write the book. I was curious what others thought about it. Thats all.

Well that changes everything. First off, I appreciate you taking your time and money to share your admiration for this book. It's always good seeing a different perspective on the whole issue that scares humans the most. Whether I agree with this author or not is irrelevant. But I can tell you this: I would rather read a book at least 300 years older. By doing this you will find that many of the ideas that you see in that book are just a fucken replica/echo of ideas already expressed centuries ago. Don't praise a book of a contemporary, that's the job of future readers.

And as far as the truth goes, I'm not worried about that. Truth, from whatever angle you look at it and whatever method you choose to observe it with, will always end up as a speculation and nothing more.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Thanks. You are a one intelligent person. Have you read the book(s), by the way? They are translated in over 30 languages around the world, best seller ...

People like you should be beaten in the face several times with rusty mining equipment.

That is all.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Yes, I think it made a lot of sense - it has significant basis in a LOT of Scientific theories and facts - it's not all just religious garbage, it's not about a guy 'talking to God' - it's about recognizing, through YOURSELF, that there is a God and his part of you is equally distributed throughout all of mankind. This part is perfection, and the only people who cannot see are those who refuse to open their eyes.

I'm afraid you must be suffering from affirmation bias. The author of that book merely tried to make as many disjointed pseudo-philosophical assertions as possible, and tried to put them as vaguely as possible so that everyone was bound to find a few sentiments that they could come to agreement with.

In terms of any type of logical analysis, however, there are so many non sequiturs involved that it would take a book of equal volume just to point them all out. Few assertions are supported by facts, or any type of logical deduction. Instead, rhetorical tricks are used to obfuscate the point being made and hide the lack of an actual set of premises or valid reasoning behind the conclusion.

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Originally posted by Rodrico People like you should be beaten in the face several times with rusty mining equipment. That is all.

and toronto boy speaks again!

All this reminds me that, back in medieval ages, they burned astronomers alive for thinking that earth evolved around the sun, rather than the all-well-known concept that Earth was the center of the universe ...

Today many of us are being sceptical about the true understanding of the universe ... one day, when our society wont be as primitive as it is today, we will understand. Book 3 talks about thousands of civilizations in other galaxies, and how we are so primitive when compared with them ...

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange I like jelly donuts.

im not a big fan myself. i prefer that there is no jelly inside. i mean, i can handle it, but in all fairness to the donut, its a beautiful thing that doesnt need jelly to be great...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium All this reminds me that, back in medieval ages, they burned astronomers alive for thinking that earth evolved around the sun, rather than the all-well-known concept that Earth was the center of the universe ... Today many of us are being sceptical about the true understanding of the universe ... one day, when our society wont be as primitive as it is today, we will understand. Book 3 talks about thousands of civilizations in other galaxies, and how we are so primitive when compared with them ...

That will never change. Earth and all its humans want to be the center of everything. The book you just cited is a perfect example of that. Everything is put around the human mind so he can understand that which he doesn't understand and will never(yes, I can play with this word) be able to. That will never change. Our vanity and greed for the ultimate is enormous. We believe God made us the center of everything and that we exist everywhere and anywhere. That's just a load of nothing. It doesn't mean anything. The purpose of that book is to give the human more appreciation about himself. Isn't that the purpose all along? I am learning all this stuff from God. What a stupid idea. It's not even original to begin with. As a said before, just an echo.

edit: I'm just trying to ruin your lunch.

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Originally posted by Radagast I think Arbiter has met his match.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Yes, I think it made a lot of sense - it has significant basis in a LOT of Scientific theories and facts

Which parts specifically? From here it just looks like a load of intentionally obfuscatory nonsense disguised as a pseudo-philosophy. As I said to Magnetonium, specify an issue you wish to discuss - in your own words - and I'm quite happy to discuss it. I will not, however, trawl through endless paragraphs of neon-orange text for some supposedly profound observation that doesn't actually seem to exist.

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it's not all just religious garbage, it's not about a guy 'talking to God' - it's about recognizing, through YOURSELF, that there is a God and his part of you is equally distributed throughout all of mankind. This part is perfection, and the only people who cannot see are those who refuse to open their eyes.

So let me get this straight:

• There is a God.
  
• Part of God is me.
  
• That part of me is distributed throughout mankind.
  
• That part of mankind is "perfection".
  
• The only people who cannot see this perfection are those who refuse to "open their eyes".

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Personally, I think most people just couldn't get past the very first time they saw the word 'God' on the thread - the statement was lost from there.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I'm afraid you must be suffering from affirmation bias. The author of that book merely tried to make as many disjointed pseudo-philosophical assertions as possible, and tried to put them as vaguely as possible so that everyone was bound to find a few sentiments that they could come to agreement with. In terms of any type of logical analysis, however, there are so many non sequiturs involved that it would take a book of equal volume just to point them all out. Few assertions are supported by facts, or any type of logical deduction. Instead, rhetorical tricks are used to obfuscate the point being made and hide the lack of an actual set of premises or valid reasoning behind the conclusion.

That may very well be true - but keep in mind that this is a statement attempting to explain EVERYTHING. The everything-ness of the moment is inexplicable save for the subjection of the individual - so you see, the premise was fallacious from the very beginning, but in good fun, the author tried to humor us by implicating a universal relativity towards logic, itself. I believe that it is a limitation to view statements such as this at absolute face-value; you must expand on them somehow and find your own conclusions in life - statements such as these can only serve a person for what they are, and all else should be left behind. I'm not saying there aren't gaps in the argument (there ARE), but taking what I can from this is all that I can do - by the very definition thereof

Perhaps I'm bringing this further than the author even did, but isn't that often-times the point of such writings/threads?

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Originally posted by Renegade Which parts specifically? From here it just looks like a load of intentionally obfuscatory nonsense disguised as a pseudo-philosophy. As I said to Magnetonium, specify an issue you wish to discuss - in your own words - and I'm quite happy to discuss it. I will not, however, trawl through endless paragraphs of neon-orange text for some supposedly profound observation that doesn't actually seem to exist.

I was referring to the part where the author spoke of (essentially) inertial reference points and Einsteinian concepts - movement of the Universe and the fallcy that is time. Perhaps you missed that when you weren't "trawl[ing] through endless paragraphs of neon-orange text"?

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So let me get this straight: There is a God. Part of God is me. That part of me is distributed throughout mankind. That part of mankind is "perfection". The only people who cannot see this perfection are those who refuse to "open their eyes". First prove that God exists, then prove that part of my being is inherently constituted by God in some way, then prove that there is a comonality in this constitution shared by all of mankind, then define "perfection", prove that it exists in - and is common to - all men, then show how this somehow completes the circular logic by proving that God exists. Maybe my eyes aren't "open" enough, but none of this makes sense on any sort of level. Once again, I fear that you're just being intentioanlly obfuscatory to avoid direct and frank discussion.

Hehehe - I'm not going to try to argue my way out of this one - you've found a loophole - good for you. Now who is here to reward you for that finding? Who is here to give you a treat and pat you on your head? I'm not one big on instilling 'the fear of god' unto people, as I don't believe that God is (specifically) fear-inducing; rather, the human condition beckons for us to focus on what we truly desire in life. A utilitarian such as myself could never bring myself to seperate conclusions - not consciously desiring to do so, anyways.

Bridging the gap in this circular arguemnt though, is the ever-provactive faith. You have to take that leap to find the perfection in people - that is the path towards God. Pascal's Wager aside, I believe that it turns out to be a very rewarding experience - living with faith. It is an (eventually) fallible condition, but one that has the potential for infinity - a contradiction of itself, if you will...sort of like God, itself.

I won't pretend to be sure about this, though - it's where my journey to convince anyone of anything ends. My egoism knows a boundary, for once Finding your own conclusions in life, though, will be the ultimate reward.

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Hey, I'm always up for a theological debate - ask anyone who's ever seen me post on these forums. What I will not do, however, is trawl through large passages of nonsensical text cut and pasted from some book, just to highlight the intellectual laziness of the original poster. Like I said, if there's any issues you want to discuss, raise them concisely and in your own words. I'm not going to debate Mr. Neale Donald Walsch via proxy, you understand?

Which is exactly why I don't think the original poster intended for this to turn into a debate. This is a forum, yes, but the COR is far from the realms of Socratic reasoning.

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