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I don't need to show it to promoters, as they know I'm good already, I've played for Digitally Imported Radio LIVE. My mixing is bad....but I want to see your video's and hear your sets too :-)
I in actual fact waved my hands to apologise for a few bad mixes.... *ahem* ;-)
Least I make energy in my sets dude ;-)
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| Originally posted by Psy-T who allowed you to leave the COR?  |
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| Originally posted by Colin Andrews Looks like you mesmorised everyone with your "energy" enough that only 1 person and myself noticed that your mixing is bad... good job. See if it works on promoters. ha ha |
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| Originally posted by Evan Almae . I think you are a twat. You've said nothing but shitty things in this board. As for the mix I don't fancy the trance scene much more but I liked it a lot. Great idea and I thought the mixing was quite good from what I listened to. As for the whole comment about you touching the record like 15 times, there's nothing wrong with that. We all do it. Moral: There's a thin line between constructed critiscm and flat out being a cock. Colin which side of the line were you? -Steve |
Also loving the A&B remix of Loneliness 
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| Originally posted by fbgdavidson I prefer not to stick my head above the parapet as it were and cause grief but I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. Constructive criticism, isn't that what ADJ forum is about? Being the afforementioned twat gets you nowhere.... Lange - Follow Me. Old tune but still love the beginning Also loving the A&B remix of Loneliness |
I will fully admit that my comments in that post were meant to be inflamatory, but thats part of my personality. You want constructive criticism, give me 20 minutes and I'll break down everyone of the mixes and tell you what could have been done better and what was done well.
Frankly there are TOO MANY DJ'S, and too many people who think that waving their arms and playing trance anthems makes them a DJ. You're only mixing, not DJing at that point.
another post will follow shortly.
First mix - First thing I noticed was the cue point, it was 4 bars behind the other records 8-16 bar groupings, some people like to cue on places like this, personally I think it detracts from the mix, theres a lot of crests that happen during the 8-16 bar formats that almost all trance records use that would have lead toa better transfer than just turning the bass down and jamming in the next kick. The way you brought in the record, Since there was an obvious level difference between the tracks, you might have bene better to increase the fader gradually rather than just pinning it up at max volume so that we get a Smacking sound as the next kick comes in, also in terms of programming, we've now gone from a soft trance meldoy to a thumping bassline and something quite hard immedeately. Also your beatmatching is in and out all the time, Like I saod before, a few smaller adjustments and a little more precision help you focus on your mixes rather than your beats and allow for better transitions.
Second mix - Another mix where you cued this time only 1 bar behind the other records grouping. It gave the mix a jerky feel because the records creast just behind each others giving a feeling of abruptness. Your beats get noticably off in this one and ride that way for some time. Also one record simplifies far before the other record comes in, and it sounds like it just ends. We lose all musical features of the record exiting and are left with just an intro of the next one. All your volume ajustments are also quite large and noticable, there are time when you slap the fader up and we get huge increases ini high end very quickly. Once again, a gentle sliding of the fader might be optimal. Also, this record is again louder than the last. Watch your levels.
Fader slapping between records...can be good, we go from a full trance record with melody to 1 beat of nothing? i wouldn't reccomend tricks like that when a climax of a record is on.
Backspin and adding kicks to the breakdown, the kick was a very different kick from the other record, it sounded forced...in my books backspins are never cool. I would reccomend steering clear of them, but thats your choice.
Again with the fader slapping, you're loosing energy by doing it. IT just sounds as if your playing with the record just for the sake of playing with it.
Third Mix - this time you cued in a good spot, but jammed the fader up to full volume randomly. we can hear the next record, but it came out of nowhere, we went from nothing to everything instantly. This mix was better, the other record broke down at a better pace and we the record ended at a good spot. This would ahve been a good mix if you didn't start pulling the next record out and slapping the faders again. When you pulled it out, the next record was a such a low volume that it just sounded like cutting the track out. This record is so Corny BTW, but whatever, thats a matter of opinion, and programming is OK.
Fourth Mix - Your beats wander a lot in this mix, and I can hear a couple of noticable pitch bends as you correct them. Another mix that hasa bad cue point as well, cue on the 8-16 groupings. it just sounds better. THis mix once again ends abruptly, an were now going back into a harder tracks from a really fluffy track. Your programming doesent really bridge styles at all. You need to create flow, and going SOFT/HARD/SOFR/HARD doesent do that.
Fifth Mix - This one you cued in a good spot and brought the fader up gradually so we sloped into the new track which was good, but you beats are WAY off in a number of places, and there are large audible pitch corrections. You may not, but I would almost call this mix a trainwreck with how off the beats get. Then again i'm a Nazi for beatmatching, but thats probably because I think its Easy and one of the few techinical skills that you sohuld master.
Again with the fader slapping. It creates such a gap in the vibe, we go from a song to nothing. I would avoid it once again.
Sixth Mix - Beats are way off and fader slapping once again. How long have you been playing? a lot of the thing that you do or think "sound cool" are thing I often notice amoung young DJ's who tend to OVER dj. Just because theres nothing to do, doesent mean you should make something to do. Smooth over random tricks if your best bet.
Seventh Mix - These records sound ugly together. the musical elements are in two conflicting keys and the stabs from Tomcraft sound brutal with the previous record. Beats wander in and out again throughout. the mix, you would have been better to just cut the last record at the breakdown during lonliness rather than do a bunch of slapping inthe breakdown. It didn't sound good.
Eighth Mix - Fader jammed up at a random point again. Beats get pretty messy in this one as well, but seem to tighted up toward the end of the mix, Mix would have sounded better if you didnt fade in and out that drum roll. Again fader slapping. This record in a good programming choice after Lonliness, but I would say that Trance Anthems are only ANTHEMS and effective if not over saturated. AS big record sounds way bigger if its not followed and preceeded by big records.
Ninth Mix - Lots of high mixed into very few highs, this record altohugh faded up comes in INCREDIBLY obviously, and is too hot for the last track. Keep track of your levels. That mix was way too fast, the backspin was a bail out. If you had cut the last record out when the breakdown came, it would have bene much smoother.
Tenth Mix - This was just a bad mix, you cued way too late, the records just ended, and the next one started up. If you had cued probably 16-32 bars earlier, you sould have used the downtime of the last record to blend them, instead of a transfer in less than 30 seconds.
Eleventh mix - This time pinning the fader up worked because you picked an appropriate time to do so, however you cued 1 bar behind the other record and it destroyed the flow. You might also want ot investigate new methods of mixing other than swapping basslines and fading the record out.
Twelvth Mix - OK, I'm trying in this one not to be rude, because I was in my last post, but you have to stop just slapping the fader up to maximum volume out of nowhere. It doesent sound good, its lazy, and it destroys the flow of the mix. This mix was a little short as well. Another 16 bars would have transfered much better and not left this record sounding empty compared to the last one due to the lack of percussion.
Thirteenth Mix - Your additions to the breakdown of the last record were not advantageous to it, The breakdown/buildup would have sounded better if just left alone, another backspin cheapend the effect of this buildup as well. next record is WAAAY too hot, in fact the mixer distorts iteslf while your slapping around the faders. Beats are an issue in this one as well, and when you completely cut the volume it did not sound good either. Another mix where one record ends too soon and were left with a record that feels empty because of the abrupt transition.
Fourteenth Mix - Fast mix agian, quickly jammed in the next bassline and then just smack the faders around, it was cued 4 bars behind again, and this track is far to hard to go with something as light as the last record.
The biggest critique I could give you would be to work on your cue points and to not either jam the fader up at the beginning of a mix, and to leave the faders alone while mixing, theres no sense in cutting records in and out just because you can. Its a type of music that usally sounds best if mixed smoothly and this is anyhitn but smooth mixing, or smooth programming. There are so many jumps from hard to fluffy records, no sense of direction because all you're doing is blasting trance anthems rather than trying to do anyhting with the sounds. You full well may not give a shit and think i'm full of shit and negativity, thats fine. Believe me if you altered your mixing style to be less random and rapid, people would comment that you got better. I guarantee it. You're also going to say that you want to hear my mixes, and the fact of the matter is, i have no webspace nor have I ever posted a mix online. I don't find it does any good because people are too quick to compliment and no one gives good feedback. Everyone mindlessly says that mixing is good and that they love the tracks without thinking about whether the mis actually has merrit to it. Most mixes in this forum aren't good and no one will say it. I know its called AMATUER DJ's but people dont get better if you tell them that its OK to have loose beats or records that clash horribly.
Think what you want, I've been doing this for a number of years, I've recieved positive feedback from the likes of Jimmy Van M and I hope that it never gets too diluted from too many people taking it up.
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| Originally posted by Colin Andrews Frankly there are TOO MANY DJ'S, and too many people who think that waving their arms and playing trance anthems makes them a DJ. You're only mixing, not DJing at that point. |
I fail to see the part where i mentioned Money, fame, trying to be like other DJ's or any of your other specific attacks. A number of times you refer to fame and fame was never even mentioned. I would value a valid refute of my stance, but you don't even address the issues I brought up.
If anyone can learn how to beatmatch, why is it presenting you such a problem.
I didn't say beatmatching makes you a DJ, and being able to mix certainly doesent.
I wouldn't have called myself a DJ for what I've done until very recently, probably within the last few months.
Loving what you do is fine, and you'll notice that in my review i did not metion your passion and your dancing behind the decks. I gave a technical and programming related breakdown of the mix. Just because I don't think you're very talented when it comes to Djing doesent mean its a personal attack which is what you seem to be taking it for and trying to stab back at me.
Books don't teach you how to DJ and the simple notion that you can learn how to from one is ridiculous. The idea that you were "squeezing together greatness" in that set is pretty indignant, its not like i'm saying you deserve to die because of it, I just think you need to practice A LOT MORE.
Like I said, I expected you to think i'm an asshole. The truth of the matter is you resorted to trying to attack me personally not knowing anything about me, and all because you didn't want to address what I had presented you with.
Absolutely any DJ worth their weight will tell you that there is nothing of DJing in playing nothing but big trance records, and doing it in the sloppy manner you did.
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| Anything you do, I won't respect it, end of |
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| Originally posted by Colin Andrews First mix - First thing I noticed was the cue point, it was 4 bars behind the other records 8-16 bar groupings, some people like to cue on places like this, personally I think it detracts from the mix, theres a lot of crests that happen during the 8-16 bar formats that almost all trance records use that would have lead toa better transfer than just turning the bass down and jamming in the next kick. The way you brought in the record, Since there was an obvious level difference between the tracks, you might have bene better to increase the fader gradually rather than just pinning it up at max volume so that we get a Smacking sound as the next kick comes in, also in terms of programming, we've now gone from a soft trance meldoy to a thumping bassline and something quite hard immedeately. Also your beatmatching is in and out all the time, Like I saod before, a few smaller adjustments and a little more precision help you focus on your mixes rather than your beats and allow for better transitions. Second mix - Another mix where you cued this time only 1 bar behind the other records grouping. It gave the mix a jerky feel because the records creast just behind each others giving a feeling of abruptness. Your beats get noticably off in this one and ride that way for some time. Also one record simplifies far before the other record comes in, and it sounds like it just ends. We lose all musical features of the record exiting and are left with just an intro of the next one. All your volume ajustments are also quite large and noticable, there are time when you slap the fader up and we get huge increases ini high end very quickly. Once again, a gentle sliding of the fader might be optimal. Also, this record is again louder than the last. Watch your levels. Fader slapping between records...can be good, we go from a full trance record with melody to 1 beat of nothing? i wouldn't reccomend tricks like that when a climax of a record is on. Backspin and adding kicks to the breakdown, the kick was a very different kick from the other record, it sounded forced...in my books backspins are never cool. I would reccomend steering clear of them, but thats your choice. Again with the fader slapping, you're loosing energy by doing it. IT just sounds as if your playing with the record just for the sake of playing with it. Third Mix - this time you cued in a good spot, but jammed the fader up to full volume randomly. we can hear the next record, but it came out of nowhere, we went from nothing to everything instantly. This mix was better, the other record broke down at a better pace and we the record ended at a good spot. This would ahve been a good mix if you didn't start pulling the next record out and slapping the faders again. When you pulled it out, the next record was a such a low volume that it just sounded like cutting the track out. This record is so Corny BTW, but whatever, thats a matter of opinion, and programming is OK. Fourth Mix - Your beats wander a lot in this mix, and I can hear a couple of noticable pitch bends as you correct them. Another mix that hasa bad cue point as well, cue on the 8-16 groupings. it just sounds better. THis mix once again ends abruptly, an were now going back into a harder tracks from a really fluffy track. Your programming doesent really bridge styles at all. You need to create flow, and going SOFT/HARD/SOFR/HARD doesent do that. Fifth Mix - This one you cued in a good spot and brought the fader up gradually so we sloped into the new track which was good, but you beats are WAY off in a number of places, and there are large audible pitch corrections. You may not, but I would almost call this mix a trainwreck with how off the beats get. Then again i'm a Nazi for beatmatching, but thats probably because I think its Easy and one of the few techinical skills that you sohuld master. Again with the fader slapping. It creates such a gap in the vibe, we go from a song to nothing. I would avoid it once again. Sixth Mix - Beats are way off and fader slapping once again. How long have you been playing? a lot of the thing that you do or think "sound cool" are thing I often notice amoung young DJ's who tend to OVER dj. Just because theres nothing to do, doesent mean you should make something to do. Smooth over random tricks if your best bet. Seventh Mix - These records sound ugly together. the musical elements are in two conflicting keys and the stabs from Tomcraft sound brutal with the previous record. Beats wander in and out again throughout. the mix, you would have been better to just cut the last record at the breakdown during lonliness rather than do a bunch of slapping inthe breakdown. It didn't sound good. Eighth Mix - Fader jammed up at a random point again. Beats get pretty messy in this one as well, but seem to tighted up toward the end of the mix, Mix would have sounded better if you didnt fade in and out that drum roll. Again fader slapping. This record in a good programming choice after Lonliness, but I would say that Trance Anthems are only ANTHEMS and effective if not over saturated. AS big record sounds way bigger if its not followed and preceeded by big records. Ninth Mix - Lots of high mixed into very few highs, this record altohugh faded up comes in INCREDIBLY obviously, and is too hot for the last track. Keep track of your levels. That mix was way too fast, the backspin was a bail out. If you had cut the last record out when the breakdown came, it would have bene much smoother. Tenth Mix - This was just a bad mix, you cued way too late, the records just ended, and the next one started up. If you had cued probably 16-32 bars earlier, you sould have used the downtime of the last record to blend them, instead of a transfer in less than 30 seconds. Eleventh mix - This time pinning the fader up worked because you picked an appropriate time to do so, however you cued 1 bar behind the other record and it destroyed the flow. You might also want ot investigate new methods of mixing other than swapping basslines and fading the record out. Twelvth Mix - OK, I'm trying in this one not to be rude, because I was in my last post, but you have to stop just slapping the fader up to maximum volume out of nowhere. It doesent sound good, its lazy, and it destroys the flow of the mix. This mix was a little short as well. Another 16 bars would have transfered much better and not left this record sounding empty compared to the last one due to the lack of percussion. Thirteenth Mix - Your additions to the breakdown of the last record were not advantageous to it, The breakdown/buildup would have sounded better if just left alone, another backspin cheapend the effect of this buildup as well. next record is WAAAY too hot, in fact the mixer distorts iteslf while your slapping around the faders. Beats are an issue in this one as well, and when you completely cut the volume it did not sound good either. Another mix where one record ends too soon and were left with a record that feels empty because of the abrupt transition. Fourteenth Mix - Fast mix agian, quickly jammed in the next bassline and then just smack the faders around, it was cued 4 bars behind again, and this track is far to hard to go with something as light as the last record. The biggest critique I could give you would be to work on your cue points and to not either jam the fader up at the beginning of a mix, and to leave the faders alone while mixing, theres no sense in cutting records in and out just because you can. Its a type of music that usally sounds best if mixed smoothly and this is anyhitn but smooth mixing, or smooth programming. There are so many jumps from hard to fluffy records, no sense of direction because all you're doing is blasting trance anthems rather than trying to do anyhting with the sounds. You full well may not give a shit and think i'm full of shit and negativity, thats fine. Believe me if you altered your mixing style to be less random and rapid, people would comment that you got better. I guarantee it. You're also going to say that you want to hear my mixes, and the fact of the matter is, i have no webspace nor have I ever posted a mix online. I don't find it does any good because people are too quick to compliment and no one gives good feedback. Everyone mindlessly says that mixing is good and that they love the tracks without thinking about whether the mis actually has merrit to it. Most mixes in this forum aren't good and no one will say it. I know its called AMATUER DJ's but people dont get better if you tell them that its OK to have loose beats or records that clash horribly. Think what you want, I've been doing this for a number of years, I've recieved positive feedback from the likes of Jimmy Van M and I hope that it never gets too diluted from too many people taking it up. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Vale create for the love - don't follow for fame. |
What colin posted was very constructive, I know I found it interesting to read, and it wasnt even my mix. Constructive critisim is part of learning, if you cant take it, you'll never learn.
If I ever think I'm good enough to stick a set online, I'd be amazed to get stuff like that, its like having a personal tutor. I'd be grateful personally.
so guys the dust is down.i know it was not the best mix of the century but is was nice to watch, the energy en the fun just loved it.
when i hear all the "trance mixes" running around on the net 
most of them suck big time, they sound all the same to me.
the dj's that makes somting special of it are hard to find.
DJ Vale just keep doing wat you are doing but don't stop getting better
2 Colin Andrews i would like to hear some of your work man can you put a link on the net or pm me for some links
thx for the interesting readings guys love you all
me too
Im downloading. Ill let you know what i think.
Actually, me and Colin made up, but the posts were deleted, in which we both agreed that each others statements were uncalled for.
The dust had most certainly settled ;-)
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| 2 Colin Andrews i would like to hear some of your work man can you put a link on the net or pm me for some links |
To V:
I thought the energy you had was good. I say this because after mixing for an hour I get tired. Seems like you had about 20redbulls before you went on *hehe*
People say I am ok... I honestly think I suck monkey balls!!!
You are way better than me,when it comes to beatmatching.
However, I would say the first transition you mad was a bit off.You mixed it in to hard and it was way to obvious the bass was a little to much.
Just my point of view if I had to score I would say.
7/10
Colin Andrews
I would be more than happy to loan you space.
I could put it on www.djspiel.com
Average effort Vale.
Nice critique Colin.
Colin, you've earned my respect mate.
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| Originally posted by Colin Andrews Sorry guy, I don't have any webspace in order to upload a mix. If anyone does and is willing to lend it, that would be great, otherwise I'm out of luck. |
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| I would be more than happy to loan you space |
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| Originally posted by ste_uk_21 Ive got 50mb of webspace if thats any use? |
As everyone said your ideea of doing a video set was great. The mixing was OK too. Thank you realy much for the vid.
I look forward to your next one.
*heh*
Be sure to download my NEW MIX OF THE WEEK!!!!!!!!!
It was featured on 88.9fm "Club Frequency"
More info at Djspiel
You can also download "Colin Andrews" Reach Up (mix)
Great set Colin!!!
Please note that his set will only be on my site for 7 days.
It will be taken off next Friday.
oke guy's down loading dj Colin's mix, thnx dj Spiel downloading yours to bro, looking forward to these mixes guy's.
going to blow my ears of in Amsterdam this weekend on the HQXL party
so this is a nice warming up
all good weekend
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