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Originally posted by ctprincess then why are we even having this discussion? if nobody cares about the dj mag poll, why do you care that its just a popularity contest?

Uh...I don't? Explaining what something is does not mean I like or dislike that thing.

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Originally posted by ctprincess ok - so if they changed to DJ Mag's Most Popular DJ List it would make you all happy? but, my question is still unanswered - how do you design a poll that measure's a dj's ability? and how would you keep the poll so that it doesn't turn into a popularity contest? and what would the purpose of such a poll be?

I was answering to the thread starter on regarding if the poll should be cancelled.
For your question, i'll say it's impossible to measure a dj's ability.

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Originally posted by ctprincess then why are we even having this discussion? if nobody cares about the dj mag poll, why do you care that its just a popularity contest?

Who cares about it? OBVIOUSLY as tiesto/armin etc are always voted highly the people who care about it are armin/tiesto 'omfg asot is sooo goood11!!11' types. Their opinions are uneducated, uninformed and irrelevant.

I'd like to see it go and be replaced by nothing.

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Originally posted by Radagast An actual, constructive list that values merit, worth, integrity, ingenuity and commitment in the profession of DJing would have very few trance DJs on it at all, if any.

Why aren't there any worthy trance DJs? Is it something about the music, or the crowd that follows it?

I mean, I understand people's complaints about the larger trance DJ's but what is causing no better DJ's to emerge? Are all trance DJ's bad or just the well known ones?

But really, why is this happening? Where are the good trance DJ's?

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 Why aren't there any worthy trance DJs? Is it something about the music, or the crowd that follows it? I mean, I understand people's complaints about the larger trance DJ's but what is causing no better DJ's to emerge? Are all trance DJ's bad or just the well known ones? But really, why is this happening? Where are the good trance DJ's?

Yes its to do with the crowd that follow it. Whether people on 'Tranceaddict' want to hear it or not, 'trance fans' are seen as clueless muppets and trance djs are mainly a joke.

The only one of the more obvious, (to put it that way) trance djs that has any respect actually within the dance music scene is Paul van Dyk. Although this is mainly to do with his work in the past. I dont think many people think what hes doing these days is partcularly amazing, but he can still count on sasha, carl cox, laurent garnier etc as good friends who respect him for what he does.

If they cancelled this poll, how would I know who to like?? I wouldn't know who everyone else thought was cool, and therefore I may not be cool either!!!

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 Why aren't there any worthy trance DJs? Is it something about the music, or the crowd that follows it? I mean, I understand people's complaints about the larger trance DJ's but what is causing no better DJ's to emerge? Are all trance DJ's bad or just the well known ones? But really, why is this happening? Where are the good trance DJ's?

Talking about the art of DJing overall, there are so many better DJ's (mainly turntablists) that most trance DJ's who do relatively nothing wouldn't even make it in a top 100. A few might make it though. For example, there are some uniquely skilled DJ's like Sasha who can hold transitions for say...around 256 bars...who might make it.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee The only one of the more obvious, (to put it that way) trance djs that has any respect actually within the dance music scene is Paul van Dyk.

u keep mentioning pvd, i know youre his fan and all but hes not the only skillful trance jock that gets respect, try john '00' fleming. an awesome mixer with a beautiful selection of tracks and flow, much better than pvd's monotonous 150bpm bang out shit.

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Originally posted by dj tek u keep mentioning pvd, i know youre his fan and all but hes not the only skillful trance jock that gets respect, try john '00' fleming. an awesome mixer with a beautiful selection of tracks and flow, much better than pvd's monotonous 150bpm bang out shit.

Joof doesnt have any respect whatsoever. Im talking about people within the business... Im not saying their opinion counts more than yours, but PvD has a lot of respect from almost every top dj from any genre... Whereas joof does not.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Joof doesnt have any respect whatsoever. Im talking about people within the business... Im not saying their opinion counts more than yours, but PvD has a lot of respect from almost every top dj from any genre... Whereas joof does not.

oh ? and can you prove that ? who are you to say that did you have a chat with every top producer in the scene to see who respects who ? we know youre a pvd fan but youre living in the past glory, hes washed up now. maybe take a break from touring and work on his sound and style.

EDIT : is it cuz pvd has worked with bt, cox and wetbam ?? does that mean joof gets no respect cuz he only worked with hemstock & jennnings and MIKE ? cmon girl...

What should trance fans be doing to keep themselves from becoming a clueless muppets? What makes a respectable EDM lover? Is it a diverse music collection, familiarity with older songs, taste for the same kinda stuff that older people like? Or does simply liking trance make a TA clueless?


What does it take for a fan to not be clueless, or a DJ not to be a joke?


I'm not trying to be an ass or even start an argument, its just that I've read so many posts that talk about this problem, but Ive not seen very much info on how to go about solving it.

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Originally posted by dj tek oh ? and can you prove that ? who are you to say that did you have a chat with every top producer in the scene to see who respects who ? we know youre a pvd fan but youre living in the past glory, hes washed up now. maybe take a break from touring and work on his sound and style.

I dont have to prove it, its a simple fact that pretty much everyone knows. Its not a big deal, and I even said thatI dont really believe that many people think his stuff today is particularly amazing, but they still respect him for what he does.

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Originally posted by dj tek oh ? and can you prove that ? who are you to say EDIT : is it cuz pvd has worked with bt, cox and wetbam ?? does that mean joof gets no respect cuz he only worked with hemstock & jennnings and MIKE ? cmon girl...

Well try and answer that one yourself...

Do you think Carl Cox is ever going to get on the phone to joof and ask about getting in the studio together? clearly the answer is no. Ask yourself why that is.

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Originally posted by dj tek oh ? and can you prove that ? who are you to say that did you have a chat with every top producer in the scene to see who respects who ? .

She probably read it in the same magazine that claimed it coined the term "Electroclash". In actuality I doubt anyone can provide proof that Miguel Migs, Adam Beyer, Dave Clarke, Bad Boy Bill, Derrick Carter, Jeff Mills, Freaky Flow, LTJ Bukem, Dieselboy, Surgeon, Chris Liebing, Richard Vission, DJ Dan, Roni Size, Moodymann, Robert Owens, Juan Atkins, Photek, Teebee, JJ Flores, Q-Bert, Cut Chemist, Z-Trip, Q-Bert, Mixmaster Mike, DJ Shadow, or any other top producer/dj has any respect for Paul Van Dyk.

^^u sed q-bert twice hehe


I always thought it was cuz they had different sound preferences.


What it the realy reason tho, why doesn't Joof deserve respect?

They should. All it is is a popularity contest, and it puts an egotistical mind-set into the heads of the DJs. I'll use the most recent winners, Tijs (though I'm still a fan) and Oakey. In addition, it puts a ton of pressure on them, even though people fail to realize that they have quite a busy schedule. Many people (mostly this community) never feel that anything they do is ever good enough, and constantly insult them and spread hate.

If someone besides Tijs wins this year, I guarantee you that people will turn against him.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee I dont have to prove it, its a simple fact that pretty much everyone knows. Its not a big deal, and I even said thatI dont really believe that many people think his stuff today is particularly amazing, but they still respect him for what he does.

The simple fact that everyone knows is that most other scenes despise the trance scene. Make a thread about trance on a house, techno, dnb, or breaks forum and see what happens.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I always thought it was cuz they had different sound preferences. What it the realy reason tho, why doesn't Joof deserve respect?

Why does he?

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Originally posted by Radagast The simple fact that everyone knows is that most other scenes despise the trance scene. Make a thread about trance on a house, techno, dnb, or breaks forum and see what happens.

I know that & am not disputing it.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee I dont have to prove it, its a simple fact that pretty much everyone knows. Its not a big deal, and I even said thatI dont really believe that many people think his stuff today is particularly amazing, but they still respect him for what he does.

thats full of shit, tong gives j00f full respect.. simple fact that everyone knows.. lol..thats not a valid arguement you base the fact that pvd had his # of collaborations to the 'respect' value but you cant base that on the fact that j00f gets no respect ? bull shit. maybe if he didnt stop djing/producing cuz of lung cancer he would have made more of an impact in the scene, but to say that everyone knows that he doesnt get respect is bull shit hes one of the many pioneers of the uk scene..been in the game for longer than pvd.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Well try and answer that one yourself... Do you think Carl Cox is ever going to get on the phone to joof and ask about getting in the studio together? clearly the answer is no. Ask yourself why that is.

you know ur only line of defence that u use in gazillion of threads is that he is respected..who the fuck cares..hey everybody go see PVD tongiht he sucks but atleast he is respected by BT n cox..why dont u put that info in ur sig and save us the trouble..for a highly judgmental and critical person ur reasoning is crap.

Well I think he deserves respect because he plays music that is fun to dance to. I find that his track selection if fairly unique and I think his music is good.


I don't listen to every Joof broadcast or even see him very frequently, I also haven't heard every alternative to him that is out there, but out of the things I have heard, his music stands out to me. Is this because I'm clueless?

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Originally posted by dj tek thats full of shit, tong gives j00f full respect.. simple fact that everyone knows.. lol..thats not a valid arguement you base the fact that pvd had his # of collaborations to the 'respect' value but you cant base that on the fact that j00f gets no respect ? bull shit. maybe if he didnt stop djing/producing cuz of lung cancer he would have made more of an impact in the scene, but to say that everyone knows that he doesnt get respect is bull shit hes one of the many pioneers of the uk scene..been in the game for longer than pvd.

Pete Tong gives a lot of people 'full respect'. But hes one guy, and doesnt really represent any kind of common trend. Im not basing PvD getting respect on any one thing really, its just something that anyone with a bit of a clue knows.

This started because someone brought up the fact that trance djs are seen as shit by everyone else within the scene. This is 100% true, although PvD is always a strange exception, as he has lots of ties with people who you wouldnt really expect him to. Im not under the impression that Adam Freeland or whatever sits and listens to PvD's albums or anything, but he does command respect from guys like him.

So what if joof has been around longer? so what if he had cancer? these things happened, and we are were we are now.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee I know that & am not disputing it.

You're assuming that those DJ's respect PVD with no evidence. I don't assume they either despise or respect him because there is no real proof of what they think...but if I were to take a guess based on their respective scene's attitude i'd say despise.

While it's true that PVD has been in the trance game longer than most, since the early 90's, he still sold out along with trance in the eyes of many.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic you know ur only line of defence that u use in gazillion of threads is that he is respected..who the fuck cares..hey everybody go see PVD tongiht he sucks but atleast he is respected by BT n cox..why dont u put that info in ur sig and save us the trouble..for a highly judgmental and critical person ur reasoning is crap.

Defence to what? Im not defending anything, simply making a point. Everything youve attributed to me in that ^ I simply have not said.

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