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Originally stated by Osama Bin Laden You, the American people, I talk to you today about the best way to avoid another catastrophe and about war, its reasons and its consequences. And in that regard, I say to you that security is an important pillar of human life, and that free people do not compromise their security. Contrary to what [President George W.] Bush says and claims -- that we hate freedom --let him tell us then, "Why did we not attack Sweden?" It is known that those who hate freedom don't have souls with integrity, like the souls of those 19. May the mercy of God be upon them. We fought with you because we are free, and we don't put up with transgressions. We want to reclaim our nation. As you spoil our security, we will do so to you. I wonder about you. Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated. And I will talk to you about the reason for those events, and I will be honest with you about the moments the decision was made so that you can ponder. And I tell you, God only knows, that we never had the intentions to destroy the towers. But after the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers. And these special events that directly and personally affected me go back to 1982 and what happened when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon. And assistance was given by the American sixth fleet. During those crucial moments, my mind was thinking about many things that are hard to describe. But they produced a feeling to refuse and reject injustice, and I had determination to punish the transgressors. And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children. We found no difficulties in dealing with the Bush administration, because of the similarities of that administration and the regimes in our countries, half of which are run by the military and half of which are run by monarchs. And our experience is vast with them. And those two kinds are full of arrogance and taking money illegally. The resemblance started when [former President George H.W.] Bush, the father, visited the area, when some of our own were impressed by America and were hoping that the visits would affect and influence our countries. Then, what happened was that he was impressed by the monarchies and the military regimes, and he was jealous of them staying in power for tens of years, embezzling the public money without any accountability. And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism. And Bush, the father, found it good to install his children as governors and leaders. We agreed with the leader of the group, Mohammed Atta, to perform all attacks within 20 minutes before [President George W.] Bush and his administration were aware of what was going on. And we never knew that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face those events by themselves when they were in the most urgent need of their leader. He was more interested in listening to the child's story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the towers. So, we had three times the time necessary to accomplish the events. Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential nominee John] Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked.

that speech was actually very interesting!

It's this for real? Damn, it's scary admitting that a terrorist speaks better than the president of one of the potencies of the world.

right!

look, no offence, but you would find it interesting, as do i, but it doesn't appeal to my liberal sensibilities as i, unlike you, don't have any.

his '98 declaration of war does not reflect his now obvious sensibilities. if you could call them that.

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Originally posted by ierxium It's this for real? Damn, it's scary admitting that a terrorist speaks better than the president of one of the potencies of the world.

how do you know? you speak Arab?

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Originally posted by Q5echo how do you know? you speak Arab?

No. But assuming what was quoted is truly what he said and he said it right, then yeah. As far as the message goes, I don't believe him.

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Originally posted by JM i totally agree with your statement... who's to say he won't try to attack the USA if kerry was president? osama dont care, his war is on America, not bush or kerry or cheney or powell or rumsfeldt. he probably thinks if kerry was president, he'd me more lax, and let osama do what he wants and what osama wants is not what the people of America want. >JM<

yes, but what he did say is that our foreign policy pretty much dictates whether or not further attacks on the US occur or do not occur, and we all know that foreign policy isnt going to change much with Bush in office, thus some may feel that Kerry is the best candidate in terms of protecting us from these threats.

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Originally posted by ierxium No. But assuming what was quoted is truly what he said and he said it right, then yeah. As far as the message goes, I don't believe him.

remember this?

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THE PRESIDENT: Mr. Speaker, Mr. President Pro Tempore, members of Congress, and fellow Americans: In the normal course of events, Presidents come to this chamber to report on the state of the Union. Tonight, no such report is needed. It has already been delivered by the American people. We have seen it in the courage of passengers, who rushed terrorists to save others on the ground -- passengers like an exceptional man named Todd Beamer. And would you please help me to welcome his wife, Lisa Beamer, here tonight. (Applause.) We have seen the state of our Union in the endurance of rescuers, working past exhaustion. We have seen the unfurling of flags, the lighting of candles, the giving of blood, the saying of prayers -- in English, Hebrew, and Arabic. We have seen the decency of a loving and giving people who have made the grief of strangers their own. My fellow citizens, for the last nine days, the entire world has seen for itself the state of our Union -- and it is strong. (Applause.) Tonight we are a country awakened to danger and called to defend freedom. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done. (Applause.) I thank the Congress for its leadership at such an important time. All of America was touched on the evening of the tragedy to see Republicans and Democrats joined together on the steps of this Capitol, singing "God Bless America." And you did more than sing; you acted, by delivering $40 billion to rebuild our communities and meet the needs of our military. Speaker Hastert, Minority Leader Gephardt, Majority Leader Daschle and Senator Lott, I thank you for your friendship, for your leadership and for your service to our country. (Applause.) And on behalf of the American people, I thank the world for its outpouring of support. America will never forget the sounds of our National Anthem playing at Buckingham Palace, on the streets of Paris, and at Berlin's Brandenburg Gate. We will not forget South Korean children gathering to pray outside our embassy in Seoul, or the prayers of sympathy offered at a mosque in Cairo. We will not forget moments of silence and days of mourning in Australia and Africa and Latin America. Nor will we forget the citizens of 80 other nations who died with our own: dozens of Pakistanis; more than 130 Israelis; more than 250 citizens of India; men and women from El Salvador, Iran, Mexico and Japan; and hundreds of British citizens. America has no truer friend than Great Britain. (Applause.) Once again, we are joined together in a great cause -- so honored the British Prime Minister has crossed an ocean to show his unity of purpose with America. Thank you for coming, friend. (Applause.) On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country. Americans have known wars -- but for the past 136 years, they have been wars on foreign soil, except for one Sunday in 1941. Americans have known the casualties of war -- but not at the center of a great city on a peaceful morning. Americans have known surprise attacks -- but never before on thousands of civilians. All of this was brought upon us in a single day -- and night fell on a different world, a world where freedom itself is under attack.

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Originally posted by Q5echo remember this?

Yes. Good speech. The point?

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Originally posted by sym yes, but what he did say is that our foreign policy pretty much dictates whether or not further attacks on the US occur or do not occur, and we all know that foreign policy isnt going to change much with Bush in office, thus some may feel that Kerry is the best candidate in terms of protecting us from these threats.

is Kerry gonna turn his back on Israel? on Afganistan? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Sudan? probably not.
but we never know with Kerry? do we?

if some feel protection means turning our back to countries like these to appease an ideology like his, well, more power to him.

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Originally posted by ierxium Yes. Good speech. The point?

i'm not going to admit this. i was hoping you wouldn't either

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it's scary admitting that a terrorist speaks better than the president

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Originally posted by Q5echo is Kerry gonna turn his back on Israel? on Afganistan? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Sudan? probably not. but we never know with Kerry? do we? if some feel protection means turning our back to countries like these to appease an ideology like his, well, more power to him.

No probably not, but would Kerry have made the decision to bust into Iraq in the first place is a more appropriate question.

While Kerry will have to take care of the mess Bush has left behind, how will he handle future decisions? That is what will shape our foreign policy should Kerry be elected.

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Originally posted by sym No probably not, but would Kerry have made the decision to bust into Iraq in the first place is a more appropriate question.

he did

look, lets not argue about a mess in Iraq. Osama hasn't brought it up why should we.

in the context of Osama Bin Laden, Kerry is as much of a zionist crusader as any other president or wannabe president. the question is, can changing the will of a hundred thousand terrorist through bringing something as simple as freedom to a billion Muslems worth the squeeze?

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Originally posted by sym No probably not, but would Kerry have made the decision to bust into Iraq in the first place is a more appropriate question.

I think what Kerry would have probably done would have been to surround Iraq with military forces and threaten Saddam with force to get inspectors back in.

Saddam at that point may or may not have let them back in, but he did let them in after Bush did something similar correct?

If the inspectors had more time to search with the barrel of a gun down Saddam's neck, we'd have found out Saddam no longer had WMDs.


If Saddam refused, I think Kerry would have tried to get together a real coalition (like HW Bush did in Gulf War 1) with enough troops to go in and secure the peace.


This is all speculation on my part though.

It's obvious now though that invading Iraq in the way the US did - with too few troops and no real rationale - was a huge mistake.

What next ?

suddenly they will announce that Bin Laden has been captured and killed ? and Bush will be re-elected

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Osama bin Laden has appeared in a new videotape accepting responsibility for September 11 and providing the 'October surprise' needed for his business partner, George W. Bush, to gain re-election. For over two years we have been highlighting the potential staged capture of bin Laden right before the election that the Neo-Cons would use as their trump card for four more years of empire abroad and police state at home. Alex Jones has privately and publicly interviewed many CIA and intelligence agents who told him directly that bin Laden died of kidney failure shortly after 9/11. We were careful in considering that this could be disinformation but public awareness of this plan and other high-level officials reiterating the same possibility caused the Globalists to back off a full-scale capture for the time-being, but this new video provides them with all the justification needed to fulfil the same agenda. Anyone who cannot see the sheer audacity of this development, its staging and timing, is blind. This is an incredibly transparent stunt. Recall the Cornell University study which confirmed that whenever a terror alert or a terror threat is issued, Bush's approval ratings show a significant jump.

Always good to have atleast one "conspiracy nut" view around

p.s. : the ben laden speech posted here is real , i speak arabic and it's exactly what he said on the vid.

and just like some of you , i'm impressed how he's able to hold a speech unlike "double you".

I think the speech speaks something deeper then that, involving Bush and he's dishonesty with the American people.. and Bin Laden is trying to highlight that.. IM sure there's some deeper crap into this.

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Originally posted by LiquidX I think the speech speaks something deeper then that, involving Bush and he's dishonesty with the American people.. and Bin Laden is trying to highlight that.. IM sure there's some deeper crap into this.

yeah i got that feeling to, go conspiracies

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Originally posted by Q5echo i'm not going to admit this. i was hoping you wouldn't either

Well I did. You should know that doesn't make the smallest of differences.

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Originally posted by fastmp3 p.s. : the ben laden speech posted here is real , i speak arabic and it's exactly what he said on the vid. and just like some of you , i'm impressed how he's able to hold a speech unlike "double you".

See? A soccer fanatic has spoken. People like him are never wrong.

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Rita Cosby: To reveal more info in OBL tape
Fox News | 10/30/04


Posted on 10/30/2004 2:59:27 PM PDT by TexKat


Coming up on Rita Cosby's Big Story Weekend at 9 p.m.ET. more info of what was contained in OBL video tape. Info that refers to Bush 41, GWB's brother, Halliburton, oil is the reason we are in Iraq, real concern for this coming Monday and Tuesday.
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taken from the free republic forums.

i believe it. we'll see though.

they should be releasing the whole tape. 18 minutes to the American people and we dont get to see it? Osama bin Laden is a civilian murderering scumbag, but if he's got a message for the american people we should be allowed to hear it. It's up to us whether or not to believe anything he says.

Ok, now this is getting really interesting.

Doea anyone have a link to a credible translation of any part of the speech?

I listened to an english translation of part of his speech, and he sounded pretty reasonable in his analysis. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange Doea anyone have a link to a credible translation of any part of the speech? I listened to an english translation of part of his speech, and he sounded pretty reasonable in his analysis. Thanks.

I bet the people who have the video are still editing.

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Originally posted by NiteKiD -------------------------------------------------- Rita Cosby: To reveal more info in OBL tape Fox News | 10/30/04 Posted on 10/30/2004 2:59:27 PM PDT by TexKat Coming up on Rita Cosby's Big Story Weekend at 9 p.m.ET. more info of what was contained in OBL video tape. Info that refers to Bush 41, GWB's brother, Halliburton, oil is the reason we are in Iraq, real concern for this coming Monday and Tuesday. ---------------------------------------------------- taken from the free republic forums. i believe it. we'll see though. they should be releasing the whole tape. 18 minutes to the American people and we dont get to see it? Osama bin Laden is a civilian murderering scumbag, but if he's got a message for the american people we should be allowed to hear it. It's up to us whether or not to believe anything he says.

So we're not getting the whole story from any news network? I wonder whose choice that was... In my opinion it's amazing we're still getting tapes from this guy yrs after 9/11. Wherever he is it seems like he's comfortable to sit at a table, make a long calm speech and then have the thing delivered by messenger to this Al-jizzera(sp) in a country that's supposed to be our major ally in the War on Terror. And the topics! Our security, making fun of Bush, Florida's election problems... What'll he cover in the next tape? My local weather forecast?

This might be a "liberal" question but if we're in a real War on Terror with so many troops deployed, why isn't this guy dead yet?

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Originally posted by BigManwithaPlan This might be a "liberal" question but if we're in a real War on Terror with so many troops deployed, why isn't this guy dead yet?

legitamate question. why? think about it, how many troops do we have deployed actively looking at any given time? 10,000? 15,000? who knows, but i guarantee you they're looking in the wrong place. he's not dead yet because there is easily 10 times that many willing to hide him in countries that aren't condusive to American troops nosing around.

there were millions of soldiers in Western Europe and Hitler ended up offing himself. i'm not trying to draw too many parallels with that, but if a man wants to hide from people trying to kill him, it helps to have friends.

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Originally posted by Q5echo legitamate question. why? think about it, how many troops do we have deployed actively looking at any given time? 10,000? 15,000? who knows, but i guarantee you they're looking in the wrong place. he's not dead yet because there is easily 10 times that many willing to hide him in countries that aren't condusive to American troops nosing around. there were millions of soldiers in Western Europe and Hitler ended up offing himself. i'm not trying to draw too many parallels with that, but if a man wants to hide from people trying to kill him, it helps to have friends.

You're about right... It's somewhere between 10,000-15,000 troops in Afghanistan. Most of what I read says Osama is somewhere between Afghan. and Pakistan. But we had good relations with the Pakistani government when we went into Afghanistan. My deep problem with the administration is that we went in with only 10,000-15,000 and trusted warlords for alot of the ground level intelligence. While they were all at it this administration pulled CIA assets of the trail of Osama and geared up to invade Iraq with 130,000 American troops.

Today's results: 130,000 troops are stuck in a badly planned post war scenerio (unless you think the news out of Iraq is great) where they won't be leaving regardless of who gets elected. Osama's group murdered 3,000 people ON OUR SOIL yet he's got 10K-15K after him... 1/10th the amount we sent after Saddam. Saddam's in jail & Osama's sending us more new videos than Tupac. God knows the next one will be about weather in Macon.

Again... it's a "liberal" idea but I think it would have been smarter to send 130,000 into Afghanistan to wipe out that Sonovabitch and Al Queda right after 9/11 & before Al Queda could seep out into so many countries. That would have sent a message to terrorists that messing with us gets you IMMEDIATLY FUCKED. Of course this is just a "liberal" idea for the War On Terror. An idea that many people like you see as "short-sighted". I'll just sit back and listen for Osama's weather report.

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