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Originally posted by Kaz Yeah, Isreal is definitely not in the the Middle East

That is a crock of shit, the rumer was sppred just to tip teh pols on election day don't belive everything you hear on TV

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Originally posted by drewfactor ....suuuuuure, which is why the middle east produces sooo many top djs. Oh wait, they're all from Israel

I think dubai has a great club life, for example

donno about kabul tho

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Originally posted by drewfactor ....suuuuuure, which is why the middle east produces sooo many top djs. Oh wait, they're all from Israel

deep dish, saed and palash

aly and fila

the list goes on im sure


and i hope this doesnt turn into another shpongle thread

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Originally posted by Kaz Yeah, Isreal is definitely not in the the Middle East

huh? That's what I said

Damn sarcasm, never gets interpereted right on forums.

Shall I articulate my point at the risk of starting middle east flame thread? Sure, why not! lol

Israel is Bin Laden's (and Islamic terrorists) enemy #1, along with America. Ask yourself this: Why? Is it because America and Israel "exploit" the poor muslims? Nope. Is it because of their imperialist aims to steal their land? Show me the conquesting armies mowing down villiages and taking over cities in the name of establishing American or Israeli colonies. Can't? Thought so.

The reason is that America represents certain values that are antithetical to the values of fundamentalist Islam (or all fundamentalist religion for that matter). This is the "Great Satan" that Bin Laden is always referring to. Israel happens to be a sliver of land that embodies those same/similar set of values. It's not a wild extrapolation to then say it's obvious why Israel can have a thriving club scene, exporting for example, some of the finest psy trance to grace my ears. And, for example, why the rest of the middle east hasn't exported much of anything except hate and oil in the last few thousand years. Even oil wouldn't be getting exported if it weren't for Western science and technology.

Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir, or if I sound like a right-wing propagandist I'm just disseminating the truth

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Originally posted by drewfactor The reason is that America represents certain values that are antithetical to the values of fundamentalist Islam

they're strapping bombs to their chests because they hate freedom? sigh... sure

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Originally posted by drewfactor It's not a wild extrapolation to then say it's obvious why Israel can have a thriving club scene, exporting for example, some of the finest psy trance to grace my ears. And, for example, why the rest of the middle east hasn't exported much of anything except hate and oil in the last few thousand years. Even oil wouldn't be getting exported if it weren't for Western science and technology.

lets turn this into a shpongle thread.. im missing those


by the way arabs invented the zero.. so id like to see western science thrive without that contribution.

there are alot of goood doctors, engineers from the middle east that do contracting work everywhere around the world.. theyre not on cnn but lets not get into that.. your just making stupid generalizations

WESTERN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.. heh
im sure israel and the US are responsible for 100% of that

and aliens built the pyramids

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Originally posted by drewfactor Israel is Bin Laden's (and Islamic terrorists) enemy #1, along with America. Ask yourself this: Why? Is it because America and Israel "exploit" the poor muslims? Nope. Is it because of their imperialist aims to steal their land? Show me the conquesting armies mowing down villiages and taking over cities in the name of establishing American or Israeli colonies. Can't? Thought so.

It's not like that. Times have changed and things are much more subtle now, like for example with the CIA trying to overthrow governments all over the place and installing favourable leaders as replacements.

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And, for example, why the rest of the middle east hasn't exported much of anything except hate and oil in the last few thousand years. Even oil wouldn't be getting exported if it weren't for Western science and technology.

Wow, I'm speechless. The middle east hasn't exported much except hate and oil? Read that over a few times and then tell me you are only disseminating the truth. Why is it that my prof doing research on robotics told us a university in Tehran beat him to releasing a paper on similar research? Why do schools like Harvard take students like my uncle's PhD student and give him a scholarship to study there? Why is it that my cousin who recently finished high school in Iran got scholarship offers at almost every university he applied to in North America? It must be because the middle east exports hate and oil right?

Very interesting "speech"

It is very scary that the US Media is catering to the Bush doctrine...The CBC show "Passionate Eye" will air a special on the fact that the US media hasn't delved deep into WHY the Bush administration is choosing this course of action...One White House reporter stated it best that the US media "is in a coma" .Last nite on the "Passionate Eye" was the story of a military family & the loss of their son in Iraq.The mother is a school teacher & researched reasons why the US is in Iraq and other facts about the Bush administration...It was a very good special.

As for Osama & this video coming out NOW just before the election well I think its tactical.Osama WANTS Bush to win because Bush admited a while back that Osama isn't a big interest anymore.Anlike Kerry who, if he wins, will devore more energy & manpower to locate & kill Osama & other Al Quaeda terrorists in the Afguan border OR even the Iraq/Iran border...

Here's hoping that Kerry takes it on Tuesday

Rob

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Originally posted by drewfactor ....suuuuuure, which is why the middle east produces sooo many top djs. Oh wait, they're all from Israel

personally i like Deep Dish and Saeed & Palash ..

Basically, all those djs that are of middle eastern or origin (or Persian in the case of Iran ie deep dish, learn your geography folks! ). They did not become big djs and producers by throwing parties at the local falafal shop or schwarma hut in the centre of Tehran, Peshawar, or Kabul. They all come from the US! At least in the case of Filo and Peri and Deep Dish.

The Middle East at one point in History was the source of reason, progress, and technology while Europe was steeped in religious fundamentalism...hence mesopotamia is considered to be the "cradle of civilization." However, at this point in time, it's irrefutable that the Middle East is currently the toilet bowl of civilization. OK OK! I'm just kidding, I'll leave my extreme language at the door. But let's put it this way: The whole of the middle east combined has the same Gross Domestic Product as Belgium and Holland. Each year, more literary works are translated into Spanish than were translated into Arabic in the whole modern history of the Middle East.

For those of you that cite examples of stuff going on in academics in the middle east, that's great...but ever notice how so many of them come to America, Canada or Europe to advance their studies? Also, I agree that the reformist movements in academia in Iran for example should continue to be supported by the West. Also, the one traditions of Islam(can't really spell it), "Ishdihad(?)." This component of Islam has been associated with reason, debate, and progress. Currently, it's absent from the dominant forces of fundamentalism that seem to grip the region.

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Originally posted by drewfactor Basically, all those djs that are of middle eastern or origin (or Persian in the case of Iran ie deep dish, learn your geography folks! ). They did not become big djs and producers by throwing parties at the local falafal shop or schwarma hut in the centre of Tehran, Peshawar, or Kabul. They all come from the US! At least in the case of Filo and Peri and Deep Dish. The Middle East at one point in History was the source of reason, progress, and technology while Europe was steeped in religious fundamentalism...hence mesopotamia is considered to be the "cradle of civilization." However, at this point in time, it's irrefutable that the Middle East is currently the toilet bowl of civilization. OK OK! I'm just kidding, I'll leave my extreme language at the door. But let's put it this way: The whole of the middle east combined has the same Gross Domestic Product as Belgium and Holland. Each year, more literary works are translated into Spanish than were translated into Arabic in the whole modern history of the Middle East. For those of you that cite examples of stuff going on in academics in the middle east, that's great...but ever notice how so many of them come to America, Canada or Europe to advance their studies? Also, I agree that the reformist movements in academia in Iran for example should continue to be supported by the West. Also, the one traditions of Islam(can't really spell it), "Ishdihad(?)." This component of Islam has been associated with reason, debate, and progress. Currently, it's absent from the dominant forces of fundamentalism that seem to grip the region.

alot of literary works these days are simply ranting relative material made for people with nothing better to do (no offense to you book readers). so if theres no demande why should they be translated. it doesnt effect the status of the region or the technology of the country in anyway.

you obviously have never been to the middle east and think egyptians live in pyramids and im sure if you didnt live in canada youd think we live in igloos

im sure a party at a shawarma place would be fun.. but the middle east does have alot of good clubs.. especially in egypt where they have djs spin in front of the pyramids in the desserts (judge jules, oakenfold tiesto and many others)

i cant speak for hte rest of the middle east since i havent been there.

and deep dish are iranian and im sure your views against them are the same.

toilet bowl?


well if thats what you call your foundation to civilization.. then its no wonder your such a shit head

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Originally posted by dEsidEL personally i like Deep Dish and Saeed & Palash ..

Americans.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit shawarma

Now I am hungry.... bastid!

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Americans.

not originally

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit not originally

Yes, I know. Point being?

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Yes, I know. Point being?

point being.. that they were born and raised there.. and had the capability of becoming bid djs due to their upbringing

not because they are americans


there are tons of amazing american djs.. deep dish and saeed and palash being some of htem

they also incorporate a middle eastern sound into their music

Holy fuck ladies i think someone in here rode the short bus to shcool.

PS peshawar is in pakistan not the middle east.

since when do we judge a society's succes or validity by their musicians?? "what good djs ever came out of the middle east" well fuck me then what does that say about canada, we produced avril fuckin lavigne and celine fuckin dion.

as for your racist bullshit about how western civilization answers to some sort of a moral guideline?? where the fuck was the US morals when they vetoed Rwanda, or when they "went after the invisible weapons of mass destruction in iraq" the only weapon of mass destruction i have seen is US foreign policy. i dont condone the sept 11 attacks, in fact i am appaled but FFS when you use the world as your private urinal and kill countless inocent civilians. do the math dipshit some one is going to piss in your pool evenutally.



so drew factor, or should i say hitler, take your shitty theories and fuck off.....

Shit head? Hitler? C'mon guys, I haven't said anything here to warrant such vicious personal attacks.

Nothing I am saying here has anything to with racism or bigotry. It's not a slander to muslims, or arabs, or anyone. All these issues about djs from the middle east (or more accurate from arab and muslim countries) and shawarmas and whatnot are peripheral to the issue. The issue is the ideology. Take the fact that many deep dish come from Iran. Their talent or their success has nothing to do with where they're from and everything to do with the society that they are allowed to freely express their creativity. The muslim world, as it now stands, is steeped in religious fundamentalism and rigid theocracy. This society stifles the human spirit, breeds hatred, and and is totally anti-progress.

None of you can tell me, that when that world and the Western world (as flawed as it is, and as flawed as America is), that somehow that system is equal or better than Western Society. Remember, this has nothing to do with race, it has to do with what we VALUE. A society that values freedom of the individual, or a society that enforces theocracy down your throat. A society that values capitalism (ie. human productivity and achievement), or a society that values nihilism. Make your choice.

So, after browsing through a bunch of threads also on this forum, replete with discussion about bible thumping, gun wielding rednecks, people foaming at the mouth about bush..all sorts of slander towards the American people....and yet, when I articulate a solid rational argument about the very culture and ideology that seeks to destroy us......I get called a short bus riding shithead nazi! lol I don't even think Jayx1 has earned that title.

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Originally posted by drewfactor I get called a short bus riding shithead nazi!

you forgot racist

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Originally posted by drewfactor The muslim world, as it now stands, is steeped in religious fundamentalism and rigid theocracy. This society stifles the human spirit, breeds hatred, and and is totally anti-progress.

thats like me saying that christianity breeds cults of people in white cloaks and pointy hats that like to kill black people

your talking about extremities in a religion.. misinterpretation and using religion as a guide for one commit their selfish motives

or neo nazis

its the same thing.. like the taliban

that does not encompas the entire muslim religion

i dont think that muslim countries stifle artists creativity to the lengths that you are speaking of. alot of these countries have a rich musical heritage that comes through in the artists of that country. i think your confusing freedom of creativity with comercialization. these countries you speak of (middleastern) dont have the fully developed music industry that north america and europe have. just because they dont have alot of published works from this area doesnt mean they dont exist.

i have never been to the middle east, and im quite certain you havent either, but i think that if your going to even come close to winning this argument you might want to visit sometime and gain some first hand intel into the music scene. vast generalized satements dont hold up too well.

good luck,


ps dont forget your lunch on the short bus...

nightlife is deeply anchored in the middle eastern way of life simply because during the day people cannot do much because its way too hot.

so at night, they gather and listen to music, dance, eat and drink.

Its not because you never heard of big artists coming out from there that there isn't any. Music is very alive and doing well over there, its part of our lifestyle. And Arabic itself is a litterary language more than a scientific one, the best poetry out there were written in Arabic.

I am very excited to go back there really soon to check out how people are doing and having fun. It will be fun to witness.

And you know, I have witnessed here in Montreal that alot of promoters and club owners are from the middle east, because maybe without fully knowing it they brought with them the need for a nightlife.

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Originally posted by drewfactor The muslim world, as it now stands, is steeped in religious fundamentalism and rigid theocracy. This society stifles the human spirit, breeds hatred, and and is totally anti-progress.

For the last time it does not breed hatred. The other 2 points are debatable. How can you know anything about the society there if you haven't lived there (and yes I'm assuming here, but it seems pretty obvious)?

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit you forgot racist

Thanks cutey patootie.

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