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Originally posted by Shakka It strikes me that as long as you refer to the majority of Americans as ignorant, you risk alienating that majority, which certainly won't help you out in future elections. Way to reach out.

< 20% of the population isn't a majority.

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Originally posted by Renegade < 20% of the population isn't a majority.

Indications are that Bush won over 50% of the popular vote. In any event, calling 50% of any group "ignorant" is a surefire way to alienate them.

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[i][b]Fuck Bush i've come to a conclusion that people who vote for Bush are rich, uneducated, own a company, people who only think about themselves and not the wellness of the community, and jesus freaks who cant see that bush is not a man of god. He said it himself that God told him start a war with Iraq, what kind of God would do that?

I posted that in another forum....'nuff said. I hate america and the red necks that live down south you bastards.

Well the most important reason why he won is because of the "moral issues" Bush carries... Personally i don't know what moral issues are on the hot seat, perhaps "Stem Cell Research, Homosexual Marriages" were of importance. In the campaign, and during his presidential term, Bush seemed to be the moral guy, most likely because of his appeal to Evangelical Christian when he often referred to the Bible and God during speeches.

If a candidate wins the majority of the evangelical votes, by assumption, he would win the majority of high religious states. That's probably why people who vote for the guy strangely but yes.

Why would people vote for Bush?
- Because you are from dixy land
- Because you are from Texas
- Because your family is high religious
- Because you like the amount of patriotism going around in your country
- Because you love this so called "War on Terror's" progress and you don't live in one of those states that are likely to be hit by Mr. Bin Laden and his evil legion of Islamic radicals"
- Because you are one of those corporation with links or will benefit from Mr. Bush's policies...

There's a couple of more reasons why Americans would vote for the fella named "Bush", it's quite astounding on the basis of logic, how this guy is likely to serve a 2nd term. All i can say is that, the Bush Campaign has stuck the right buttons on issues, the Kerry Campaign only critized on them, and never really made an attempt to generate new and ingenius solutions in bringing the economy outta scratch and ending this "war on terror".

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Originally posted by trancaholic It's a sad day indeed. However, as a European I see it as a wake-up call for Europe: In the last four years we have drifted away from the US, having seen values such as unconditional loyalty and patriotism on the rise in the US, while other values such as reason and cooperation have dwindled away. I see it not only in the actions of the Bush administration but also in the posts of right wingers in this forum, US citizens I speak to in relation to work, and in debates I watch on tv. The election last night has shown that this development appears to continue, and that the disaster election in 2000 was not a singleton. When I hear or read the opinions of right wingers on this board, or see them argue on tv, I feel that I am facing a different kind of species. One which is far removed from my experiences, and which I cannot communicate very well with. I see something I would call madness. Such people cannot be reasoned with, and I think that it is futile to try to do so. I think as Europeans we should be consequent and lessen our dealings with the US and focus on developing more tires with saner parts of the world. A nice first step on that road, would be to let Turkey into the EU. And then let the US sail its own course.

I think you hit the nail right on the head when it comes to many of these states in our Union. Many of the Southern States represent the general mentality of the Bush administration and vice versa, no surprise there. The only one who stands a real chance for the Democratic Party is a charismatic Southern Democrat that can fight on their turf, problem is they are far and few in between to find. I wish the best of luck to this nation of ours but I dread what the next four years shall hold in store for us as a people. Europe is already on the path of pursuing its own course and should do so more than ever now. While it's trying to be a place of inclusion, America has become a place of deep divisions and exclusions.

I for one am finished with the political ankst for a long while, hence I haven't even been posting here any longer with all the warped statements in regards to others the forum has gone down. Best of luck to Europe, it won't be easy with their issues as well but today I do not see a change in the direction of America and that is very disheartening as a citizen who thinks globally, the majority of my fellow citizens obviously did not feel this way and that is their choice as well, so long folks.

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Originally posted by kaffeemeister Well the most important reason why he won is because of the "moral issues" Bush carries... Personally i don't know what moral issues are on the hot seat, perhaps "Stem Cell Research, Homosexual Marriages" were of importance. In the campaign, and during his presidential term, Bush seemed to be the moral guy, most likely because of his appeal to Evangelical Christian when he often referred to the Bible and God during speeches. If a candidate wins the majority of the evangelical votes, by assumption, he would win the majority of high religious states. That's probably why people who vote for the guy strangely but yes. Why would people vote for Bush? - Because you are from dixy land - Because you are from Texas - Because your family is high religious - Because you like the amount of patriotism going around in your country - Because you love this so called "War on Terror's" progress and you don't live in one of those states that are likely to be hit by Mr. Bin Laden and his evil legion of Islamic radicals" - Because you are one of those corporation with links or will benefit from Mr. Bush's policies... There's a couple of more reasons why Americans would vote for the fella named "Bush", it's quite astounding on the basis of logic, how this guy is likely to serve a 2nd term. All i can say is that, the Bush Campaign has stuck the right buttons on issues, the Kerry Campaign only critized on them, and never really made an attempt to generate new and ingenius solutions in bringing the economy outta scratch and ending this "war on terror".

I pretty much agree. Another problem is the way the electoral system is set up. There's way too much money allowed into the system and Kerry did have some alternative plans, since he was considered such a "liberal"senator by Bush, but everything in the media and on commercials are short soundbytes. The strict rules of the debates allowed no more than 2 minute responses and people criticized Kerry as a "flip-flopper" or boring for trying to explain complex issues that don't have yes or no answers.

My one question is do Bush supporters not care at all about poverty, healthcare costs, education costs, the environment, civil rights, etc? Because Bush has no plans to correct these things and they affect people and their families daily.

Renegade: I read the thread you are citing, and thought it to be a very interesting read. Brought up the topic with my office mate. As with most threads these days, I didn't have anything to add, though.

NYCTranceFan: Glad to read your post. I chose going to NYC (opting out of possibilities in Australia and Spain) for six months, and I've been feeling real bad about that decision all day. Your post reminded me that there's areas in the US where reason still exists. Sad to see you leaving this forum, though. In relation I might ask where Arctic and tathi have gone?

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Originally posted by Shakka It strikes me that as long as you refer to the majority of Americans as ignorant, you risk alienating that majority,

Well, the matter has practically been put to the test in this election I would say. If arrogance and preferences for faith over reason are classified as ignorance (as it should IMO), then indeed, the majority of US citizens are ignorant.

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Originally posted by Shakka which certainly won't help you out in future elections. Way to reach out.

Who's talking about reaching out? The US has chosen a course which alienates it from other parts of the world. Do you naturally assume that we would want to follow you further into the madness?

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Originally posted by wolverine16 My one question is do Bush supporters not care at all about poverty, healthcare costs, education costs, the environment, civil rights, etc? Because Bush has no plans to correct these things and they affect people and their families daily.

How could they after all the terrorists are coming to get them in Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi to name a few Its only when the runaway deficit, the constant drumbeats of the warmongers, the ill fated foreign policies of go it alone, or with a few mentality has been evaporated and our nation is in a shithole economically that they may take notice, maybe.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Its only when the runaway deficit, the constant drumbeats of the warmongers, the ill fated foreign policies of go it alone, or with a few mentality has been evaporated and our nation is in a shithole economically that they may take notice, maybe.

Probably not.

Kerry's moral character was deemed less than acceptable

and there was the Flipper thing, as well as the inability to defend himself...

>JM<

So is this the South finally rising again? I mean I've been hearing about it since 1865! Maybe this is a wake up call for a lot of Democrats to realize just how far left of center they really are.

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Originally posted by JM Kerry's moral character was deemed less than acceptable and there was the Flipper thing, as well as the inability to defend himself... >JM<

So you support Bush that much just because he's not Kerry and because of terror? That's why you have so much passion about his campaign?

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Originally posted by imokruok Man, this must really suck for you guys. Not only did we re-elect Bush, but he got the largest popular vote total in history.

NSS. this is in part of the due to the population growth.

Census indicates that the population hasn't gotten THAT much bigger since the 1960's a'la the Baby Boom. Bush wins, hoorah!

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Originally posted by imokruok Man, this must really suck for you guys. Not only did we re-elect Bush, but he got the largest popular vote total in history.

So did Kerry in terms of loosing.. your point?

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Originally posted by wolverine16 So you support Bush that much just because he's not Kerry and because of terror? That's why you have so much passion about his campaign?

no, i was just pointing out my thoughts of Kerry's flaws. If you're looking for me to respond to your other thread about why we do support Bush, i may go ahead and do that. as a matter of fact, i remember reading someone's post in that thread that very much describes how i think and feel the way i do about GW and his campaign.

>JM<

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