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Originally posted by OurManFlint I just got a bad taste in my mouth after Reflections. I can't get enough of his older productions though. My favorites are Step Right On and My World, but he seems to have drifted away from that quality.

i agree

What he is trying to say is that he doesn't want Crush, Time of Our Lives, Nothing But You, etc... on the cd. PVD's reworks of other peoples songs aren't as monotonous and similarly toned. On TPOD Autumn, Vega and Out There were his only originally produced tracks and they weren't overplayed out in the same manner We're Alive, Pikes, Another Way, etc... were at the time. I love PVD, but I'm sick of the same sound to his production work. At least reworks are different synth lines altogether. It creates a more varied feel even though he is remixing all the tracks. Some of his remixing on TPOD is very subtle and minimal.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer What he is trying to say is that he doesn't want Crush, Time of Our Lives, Nothing But You, etc... on the cd. PVD's reworks of other peoples songs aren't as monotonous and similarly toned. On TPOD Autumn, Vega and Out There were his only originally produced tracks and they weren't overplayed out in the same manner We're Alive, Pikes, Another Way, etc... were at the time. I love PVD, but I'm sick of the same sound to his production work. At least reworks are different synth lines altogether. It creates a more varied feel even though he is remixing all the tracks. Some of his remixing on TPOD is very subtle and minimal.

i think its just to make the whole thing fit on a cd ... and you have to agree as a package the whole thing the first time around just fitted together really well. He even mentions that he doesnt want to change things too much, because its all about the original track... theres plenty of the reworks from TPOD that hes never actually played in his sets, and were just for the CD.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee i think its just to make the whole thing fit on a cd ... and you have to agree as a package the whole thing the first time around just fitted together really well. He even mentions that he doesnt want to change things too much, because its all about the original track... theres plenty of the reworks from TPOD that hes never actually played in his sets, and were just for the CD.

Agreed completely. Autumn never released, sadly enough. That's what made it great on that set. The remixes, although subtle at times, made everything fit together better. I will be very happy if he comes out with another one and it's not all the Reflections crap (don't get me wrong, I like the original track and own many of them, but they have been driven into the ground). I refuse to play any of those tracks anymore, because there is nothing unique about playing them and you don't differentiate yourself at all. If he brings something fresh to the table, like the original did, I will be enthused. He may gain some more respect back from me as well. I just don't appreciate his live sets or his production work from the last 2-3 years, as much as I do his work prior to that.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer Agreed completely. Autumn never released, sadly enough. That's what made it great on that set. The remixes, although subtle at times, made everything fit together better. I will be very happy if he comes out with another one and it's not all the Reflections crap (don't get me wrong, I like the original track and own many of them, but they have been driven into the ground). I refuse to play any of those tracks anymore, because there is nothing unique about playing them and you don't differentiate yourself at all. If he brings something fresh to the table, like the original did, I will be enthused. He may gain some more respect back from me as well. I just don't appreciate his live sets or his production work from the last 2-3 years, as much as I do his work prior to that.

I hope its something good... I think it will be, simply because of the state of 'trance' music at the minute - hes not going to pack 2 cds full of substandard 'trance' when there is so much good techno stuff around now, and ive seen recently that hes moving back towards the kind of timo maas, pascal feos type of sound...

anyway, that nell guy seems to have in his head the mental idea that the only reason pvd reworks tracks is to try and get some sort of reflected glory from the original track. I'd like to point out that the only people in the world who actually give a shit about 'PvD reworks' are obsessed fans on here and similar forums, and i doubt very much that PvD gives a shit about what they think, or is searching for their approval.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee I hope its something good... I think it will be, simply because of the state of 'trance' music at the minute - hes not going to pack 2 cds full of substandard 'trance' when there is so much good techno stuff around now, and ive seen recently that hes moving back towards the kind of timo maas, pascal feos type of sound... anyway, that nell guy seems to have in his head the mental idea that the only reason pvd reworks tracks is to try and get some sort of reflected glory from the original track. I'd like to point out that the only people in the world who actually give a shit about 'PvD reworks' are obsessed fans on here and similar forums, and i doubt very much that PvD gives a shit about what they think, or is searching for their approval.

For the most part the remixing wasn't the crowning achievement of the set. It was the track selection and flow, which was effected by his remixing, but I don't think his intent was to showcase remixing. He barely remixed them.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint I think the last actual mix CD he did was the one for the Aug. 2003 Mixmag issue. That mix was mint. No PVD productions at all. Loved every track on it. Anobody else pick that up.

one of my fav cd

actually he has The Sessions 03 cd after that, some can say he's been weak these days compared to his old stuff, yet i truly trust he would bang it up again its PVD we are talking about. really POD2?? you guys just made my week.
gonna pop in POD to celebrate this great news.

Yeah its such a shame he didnt release a ltd edition vinyl series with the reworks of Vega & Autumn. The remix/redit/whatever you wanna call it is luscious tranced out bliss at its finest!
His productions are a bit lazy, using that same bloddy kick sound for everything and Reflections was a poor, poor album. But then again, who of us is filling clubs around the world with people demanding to see us........

although i do like and enjoy tpod, it is a great album but it was hardly as massive and revolutionary and some people seem to think. Nell was right the amount he changes some tracks is ridiculously small. Hell i even know 2 amateur dj's who edit tracks to make them fit their style and sets better.

i didnt like TPOD, by the time it came out all the choons were already canned to the max even with those PVD reworks of the over canned tracks, the album didnt do it for me.

AUTUMN IS NOT AN ORIGINAL PVD TRACK FFS!!!

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 AUTUMN IS NOT AN ORIGINAL PVD TRACK FFS!!!

Then why is he given sole credit and is listed as the sole publisher in the TPOD liner notes?

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Originally posted by flavdave Then why is he given sole credit and is listed as the sole publisher in the TPOD liner notes?

Why hasn't he released it? HYmmm? maby ithe melody/notes are exactly like another track. I think paul himself has even said why he has not released it.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Why hasn't he released it? HYmmm? maby ithe melody/notes are exactly like another track. I think paul himself has even said why he has not released it.

It's no less his own production than NBY or Spellbound.

There was serious talk of releasing it on Reflections but for whatever reason they decided against it.

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Originally posted by lexiconavenue the tracks are actually just reworks of the original. the main hooks and other parts of the songs produced by the original artist remain (usually), but he might add new percussion or sounds to it to make it fit in the mix, and to give it that signature pvd feel. pretty much the same concept of what sasha was applauded for 'pioneering' on his involver mix cd . interesting to hear this though, im a big fan of pvd.

Sasha's Involver has nothing to do with POD. It is a completely different concept in that Sasha RECONSTRUCTED every track from scratch, not just did remixes or reworks like in POD.

With this, I'm not trying to say I didn't like POD...on the contrary, it still is IMO the best modern trance compilation to date because of the effectiveness in song flow and its explosive sound.

But please do not confuse Involver with POD!!!

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Originally posted by memusa Sasha's Involver has nothing to do with POD. It is a completely different concept in that Sasha RECONSTRUCTED every track from scratch, not just did remixes or reworks like in POD. With this, I'm not trying to say I didn't like POD...on the contrary, it still is IMO the best modern trance compilation to date because of the effectiveness in song flow and its explosive sound. But please do not confuse Involver with POD!!!

LOL involver blows.

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It's no less his own production than NBY or Spellbound. There was serious talk of releasing it on Reflections but for whatever reason they decided against it.

there is a difference between ripping h & j and chicane .

didnt he also credit h&j with nby?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 didnt he also credit h&j with nby?

Evidently H&J have wantd to be credited where Chicane haven't .. they're still PvD productions though irrespective of that.

thats the difference between not releasing the track...

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 thats the difference between not releasing the track...

not really because paul had obviously still cleared the sample .. i think it came down to paul deciding that the track just wouldn't have suited to go on 'reflections' at the end of the day.

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Originally posted by thesuperfunk not really because paul had obviously still cleared the sample .. i think it came down to paul deciding that the track just wouldn't have suited to go on 'reflections' at the end of the day.

if thats the case paul could have easaly released it before reflections was even an idea.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 if thats the case paul could have easaly released it before reflections was even an idea.

Just like he could have easily released 'Working' .. but for whatever reason he decided not to. I'll assume it's just another of those things he wants to keep for himself.

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Originally posted by thesuperfunk Just like he could have easily released 'Working' .. but for whatever reason he decided not to. I'll assume it's just another of those things he wants to keep for himself.

i didn't think much of working....it was a cool track, but its not up to par with his better stuff

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 LOL involver blows.

Are you on crack or something?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 LOL involver blows.

Involver > Airdrawdagger >> Politics of Dancing

A shitload of better albums>>>>>>Airdrawndagger[Innovative...when The Black Dog did it 9 years ago, and 6 years ago, etc..]>Involver[I'd rather watch paint dry]>TPOD[Stinking pile of blue Smurf shit]

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