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Originally posted by Matt So I am just getting in. There's an add contact notification for trillian sitting on my desktop. I am look, okay, cool, whatever, ADD CONTACT. So, the new contact shows up on my list, and I have no idea who it is, but here display name reads: "Slut Kitten! Feeling Naughty. - I'm sick with the flu" only with crazy ass symbols and shit (��lυт қιттεи�! �εεlιи �иαυgнту�...*im sick with the flu... waaaaa*) , cuz kids like to make things annoying to read. So, being the handsome devil that I am, someone musta looked me up on MSN, saw my hot pic and wanted cybersex... I mean, I wasn't too impressed with the display name. I checked the profile, but alas, I still didn't know wtf just added me. But, THIS PERSON is 14. Since when did grade 9s think its cool to be a "slut kitten"? Here is the conversation that followed: Session Start ([email protected]:��lυт қιттεи�! �εεlιи �иαυgнту�...*im sick with the flu... waaaaa*): Thu Nov 04 20:29:40 2004 ME: who dis? ��lυт қιттεи�: my name is ariana...i got your email off this site where u sent your demo tape?? ME: which site? ��lυт қιттεи�: im not to sure i dont remember... i just wanted to tak to u and find out sum stuff about singing ME: alright... I don't know much about singing tho, that's not my line of work really ��lυт қιттεи�: wut is ur line of work like wut was ur demo tape for ME: I am a trance dj, did a demo mix for World Electronic Music Fest 2004... ME: that's the only demo of mine in circulation right now, I think ��lυт қιттεи�: oo ok then ��lυт қιттεи�: well how exactly did u make the tape and send it in? ME: recorded a 70 minute demo on the turntables with Cool Edit... and TranceAddict did the demo selection, and I have connections with them so.... ME: what exactly are u trying to do? ��lυт қιттεи�: im trying to get a singing deal ��lυт қιттεи�: i want to send in songs ive written and see if i can like i dunno get a record deal ME: well, you are talking to the wrong person really, singing is really something mainstream labels look into... all my connections are in the underground electronica labels ��lυт қιттεи�: and where do i find mainstream labels...do u no? ME: Canadian Idol... I dunno ��lυт қιттεи�: lol ok well thanks n e ways! Session Close (��lυт қιттεи�! �εεlιи �иαυgнту�...*im sick with the flu... waaaaa*): Thu Nov 04 20:51:18 2004 dumbest conversation I ever had. But, seriously, wtf is with kids and "omg sex is cool!"? I am doing an extra year of high school right now, and its disgusting how sleazy high school girls are now. Especially when they walk around with like low-cut pants and you can see their thongs... GROSS. And apparently at school dances (which I don't even bother with), they dress like whores. Recently at the Halloween dance, 90% of the girls were Playboy Bunnies, decked out in nothing but lingerie. FUCKING GROSS!!! I just had to vent here.

I'll stand by him. It's true, our nations youth is being shown younger and younger idols in the media dressing in less and less. So with those role models, of course they do the same thing. There are stupid things guys do to, but not on the level of our nations females. It's crazy how the women act in Afghanistan, with the veils in public and all, but we need to find some kind of medium.

Who cares what they want to wear? Seriously, live your own damn lives and stop telling other people how to live theirs.

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Hmm, my guess would be bad parenting. I think a lot of people have kids early on in the marriage and only do it because it seems like the natural thing to do. If you aren�t ready to have kids, don�t have them. It gets worse when the kids get older too, because that�s usually when the parents start having marital problems, and so they are too wrapped up in their own bullshit to even give a crap about what their teenagers are doing.

14 is nothing , we had the youngest mum in UK ageg 12 she is now 17 with 3 kids aged 5.

Also we have 13yr playing games like who can get laid first.

It was on TV Anyone else see it ?

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Originally posted by Slylee Hmm, my guess would be bad parenting. I think a lot of people have kids early on in the marriage and only do it because it seems like the natural thing to do. If you aren�t ready to have kids, don�t have them. It gets worse when the kids get older too, because that�s usually when the parents start having marital problems, and so they are too wrapped up in their own bullshit to even give a crap about what their teenagers are doing.

This is so true, my pearants did it and i have a freand who is 16 and her perants are going it to her, she has not speeken to them properly since she was 13, shes pritty messed up in the head, but still a very good freand. Shes very grown up for her age, which i think is wrong, you should be able to live till about 18 not having to care about things apart from your education, and not having to have the resonsablity for a babe at the age of 13, which she had. Cant be good for the long run.

I think people are just having sex way too early these days. Most people just aren't psychologically prepared for it at 15 or 16 years old, even though this seems to be the most common age for many people to become sexually active. I don't think it should be banned or illegal or anything, but people should just use a little more discretion and caution when dealing with things in this world that could have such significant results (sex=children, drugs=death, alcohol=death, marriage=death). Keep in mind, I said 'COULD'...not always, but you do always run the risk of something happening everytime you cross that line - you know exactly the line I'm talking about.

I just wish people would be a little more careful about things...or at least, wait until you're responsible enough to be able to handle the goddamn results!

This is why people voted for Bush

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Originally posted by Orbax This is why people voted for Bush

Hey you! Don't you hijack this thread with that crap!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I think people are just having sex way too early these days. Most people just aren't psychologically prepared for it at 15 or 16 years old, even though this seems to be the most common age for many people to become sexually active. I don't think it should be banned or illegal or anything, but people should just use a little more discretion and caution when dealing with things in this world that could have such significant results (sex=children, drugs=death, alcohol=death, marriage=death). Keep in mind, I said 'COULD'...not always, but you do always run the risk of something happening everytime you cross that line - you know exactly the line I'm talking about. I just wish people would be a little more careful about things...or at least, wait until you're responsible enough to be able to handle the goddamn results!

It's a bit of a stretch to assume that just because someone dresses provocatively or uses a particular screen name that they're going out and having irresponsible sexual relationships.

The facts disagree with this inference as well: teenage pregnancy has been declining sharply for some time now.

Ultimately, though, I still don't see how it affects you or why it should be any of your business.

this is such an overdiscussed topic. Blame the media, blame the movies. Kids have been sexually curious for centuries-it's just becoming less taboo to be open about it. Whatever. If you know they're doing it anyway, at least teach them how to do it right. Give out condoms in high school. You can't stop them-you can only encourage them to be smart (as smart as they can be at that point)

and Matt, just curious-how old are you??

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Originally posted by Arbiter It's a bit of a stretch to assume that just because someone dresses provocatively or uses a particular screen name that they're going out and having irresponsible sexual relationships.

Well, yeah, but that's not what I was getting at. My mention of sex was in regards to the conversation being developed that, somehow, managed to tie-in with the original thread topic.

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The facts disagree with this inference as well: teenage pregnancy has been declining sharply for some time now.

That's good to know, but you still see children up for adoption because the teenage mother was too irresponsible to take care of him or her. I suppose it's better that the child is cared for by foster parents or authorities that can provide a superior life to the one posed by this irresponsible teenage mother, but if that's only considering the stark contrast to the child being born with defects (from said irresponsible parents' drug-use, alcohol abuse, etc..) or dying of malnutrition, there's still a discrepancy to be considered and addressed.

All of the pain and suffering will force the child to become stronger in life, yes, but don't we always strive to absolve pain and suffering, especially for children? There's too much subjectivity and variation for me to take a one-sided stance here - just too much to consider; thankfully, I don't have to because...

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Ultimately, though, I still don't see how it affects you or why it should be any of your business.

I'm not an irresponsible parent. But I could be, and it's a very scary thought that I could have sex with my 15 year-old friend and she could become pregnant from my inadvertance or the remote possibility (2%) that latex fails. I'm not rallying for the ban of underage sex (that's subjective as well), I'm just saying that a lot of resources could be diverted to more important things in life if people weren't irresponsible at immature ages. I know what I say won't change things though.

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Originally posted by CityKitty You can't stop them-

somehow we stopped them until 1996.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I'm not an irresponsible parent. But I could be, and it's a very scary thought that I could have sex with my 15 year-old friend and she could become pregnant from my inadvertance or the remote possibility (2%) that latex fails. I'm not rallying for the ban of underage sex (that's subjective as well), I'm just saying that a lot of resources could be diverted to more important things in life if people weren't irresponsible at immature ages. I know what I say won't change things though.

Being an irresponsible parent isn't a priviledge reserved for the younger generation, there are just as many (if not more) irresponsible parents who are (supposedly) mature. But it's my opinion that it doesn't really have anything to do with "kids these days," since "kids these days" for whatever reason are becoming parents less often than "kids in those past days."

It's true that a lot of resources could be diverted to other things if people weren't irresponsible, many people just happen to be irresponsible, and there's nothing we can do about it. At the very core of being a human individual is that there's only so much you can do about what another person chooses to think or do. And most of the time, people try to do too much, not too little, to control others.

The simple fact of the matter is that we can spend those resources that we have left over trying to make the world a better place through better education, greater acceptance of individual differences, and efficient investment of present-day resources in developing the infrastructure to support the future, or we can spend those resources trying to make everyone dress the "right" way or by vainly trying to suppress the sexuality of people our society arbitrarily deems "too young," even though nature obviously disagrees.

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Originally posted by Arbiter to suppress the sexuality of people our society arbitrarily deems "too young," even though nature obviously disagrees.

Would you not agree that you are a more responsible person, more in control of your life and making vastly different decisions than when you were 14?

These last 6 years have changed me so much, i can look a year back and see how I changed. 6 years ago I wasnt me. I was a different person. irresponsible and making crazy decisions. They have found that the brain doesnt finish forming until 18+ specifically the frontal lobe in control of judgment.

I mean, babies can ejaculate, doesnt mean they are ready to be parents.

Re: WTF is wrong with kids today.

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Originally posted by Matt So I am just getting in. There's an add contact notification for trillian sitting on my desktop. I am look, okay, cool, whatever, ADD CONTACT. So, the new contact shows up on my list, and I have no idea who it is, but here display name reads: "Slut Kitten! Feeling Naughty. - I'm sick with the flu" only with crazy ass symbols and shit (��lυт қιттεи�! �εεlιи �иαυgнту�...*im sick with the flu... waaaaa*) , cuz kids like to make things annoying to read. So, being the handsome devil that I am, someone musta looked me up on MSN, saw my hot pic and wanted cybersex... I mean, I wasn't too impressed with the display name. I checked the profile, but alas, I still didn't know wtf just added me. But, THIS PERSON is 14. Since when did grade 9s think its cool to be a "slut kitten"? Here is the conversation that followed: Session Start ([email protected]:��lυт қιттεи�! �εεlιи �иαυgнту�...*im sick with the flu... waaaaa*): Thu Nov 04 20:29:40 2004 ME: who dis? ��lυт қιттεи�: my name is ariana...i got your email off this site where u sent your demo tape?? ME: which site? ��lυт қιттεи�: im not to sure i dont remember... i just wanted to tak to u and find out sum stuff about singing ME: alright... I don't know much about singing tho, that's not my line of work really ��lυт қιттεи�: wut is ur line of work like wut was ur demo tape for ME: I am a trance dj, did a demo mix for World Electronic Music Fest 2004... ME: that's the only demo of mine in circulation right now, I think ��lυт қιттεи�: oo ok then ��lυт қιттεи�: well how exactly did u make the tape and send it in? ME: recorded a 70 minute demo on the turntables with Cool Edit... and TranceAddict did the demo selection, and I have connections with them so.... ME: what exactly are u trying to do? ��lυт қιттεи�: im trying to get a singing deal ��lυт қιттεи�: i want to send in songs ive written and see if i can like i dunno get a record deal ME: well, you are talking to the wrong person really, singing is really something mainstream labels look into... all my connections are in the underground electronica labels ��lυт қιттεи�: and where do i find mainstream labels...do u no? ME: Canadian Idol... I dunno ��lυт қιттεи�: lol ok well thanks n e ways! Session Close (��lυт қιттεи�! �εεlιи �иαυgнту�...*im sick with the flu... waaaaa*): Thu Nov 04 20:51:18 2004 dumbest conversation I ever had. But, seriously, wtf is with kids and "omg sex is cool!"? I am doing an extra year of high school right now, and its disgusting how sleazy high school girls are now. Especially when they walk around with like low-cut pants and you can see their thongs... GROSS. And apparently at school dances (which I don't even bother with), they dress like whores. Recently at the Halloween dance, 90% of the girls were Playboy Bunnies, decked out in nothing but lingerie. FUCKING GROSS!!! I just had to vent here.

hmmm here it is the same, and it is pathetic...
well those girls can't be attractive in person, so they try to be attractive being hot and looking like bitches, because their physic is the only thing they have...

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Originally posted by Laughingfennec physic

physique

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Originally posted by Orbax Would you not agree that you are a more responsible person, more in control of your life and making vastly different decisions than when you were 14? These last 6 years have changed me so much, i can look a year back and see how I changed. 6 years ago I wasnt me. I was a different person. irresponsible and making crazy decisions. They have found that the brain doesnt finish forming until 18+ specifically the frontal lobe in control of judgment. I mean, babies can ejaculate, doesnt mean they are ready to be parents.

I'm different than I was at 14, yes, but I'm not sure my judgment vastly better. I was a rather upright, dull, "mature" 14-year-old unfortunately.

I would agree that a 14-year-old is less likely to exercise sound judgment on decisions regarding sexual relations, but I'm not of the opinion that it's possible to prevent them from making poor choices without imposing strict enough rules as to also inhibit the same personal growth and development which will lead them to being mature enough to be trusted or mature enough to have children.

I'll admit that in a utopia, children wouldn't go out and have sex before they're really ready. But we're never going to reach that utopia, so I believe we're better served trying to deal with and adapt to the problems of human imperfection than investing our efforts in an ultimately futile crusade to stalk and bully everyone younger than 18 into conformity with our utopian ideals.

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Originally posted by goodgreefgirl hahha thats funny actually, that people would go to those extremes! at my school we had the no hat, no tank tops/bra straps showing, and no bellies (tho the belly rule was never in effect) no one followed any of the rules except for the hat thing.. all the girls still dressed really skanky

polish girls are among the most beautiful on this planet, they don't need to be dressed in a provocative way to show their beauty.

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Originally posted by Matt I am doing an extra year of high school right now, and its disgusting how sleazy high school girls are now. Especially when they walk around with like low-cut pants and you can see their thongs... GROSS. And apparently at school dances (which I don't even bother with), they dress like whores. Recently at the Halloween dance, 90% of the girls were Playboy Bunnies, decked out in nothing but lingerie. FUCKING GROSS!!! I just had to vent here.

I'm sure the people you described you are intolerant to are just as intolerant of you.

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Originally posted by Orbax physique

thanx fortunately you don't correct all my mistakes, if it was the case you would be overbooked (god bless my french english) lol

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Originally posted by Arbiter

agreed. Im much less inhibited these days than I was then haha. Im all about giving people the tools to make the right decisions and raising them well enough to be able to use the tools.

The problem is that parents arent raising kids, the TV networks and schools are.

and the Television networks know that they tapped platinum when they hit the tween market. So that isnt going to change.

I honestly dont know what to do except most people our age look at the little tween shitheads and say they arent going to let their kids be like that. I feel that the Gen X of our age group (the original gen X being the 80s 90s teens) are gonna have pretty decent kids, I just feel sorry for all the kids right now growing up in such an Fd environment. When the sky is the limit to what you can do...its one of those "dont get too close to the sun" ikarus things of morality.

Kids just got no responsibilities these days and its killin em!

I do kind of agree that a nationwide uniform policy (federal grants dry up if you dont conform (get it..conFORM)) would help. and itd put some of those ******s in television advertising out of business.

I know this is very old fashioned/conservative, but I honestly think that middle schools and high schools should go back to same sex education and uniforms. School for teenagers has become more of a social gathering rather than a place to learn, and I think it�s also part of the reason for all the bullshit going on with teenagers like sex at early ages, and gangs, etc.. If I ever have children, I�m going to make sure that they go to a same sex private school. That's just me though.

i think this goes beyond dressing dirrty and more into the irresponsible unsupervised actions these teenage kids are doing .. who remembers that uk teenage girl that was talking with an american solider from iraq, and someone found out, causing the solider to be discharged. should we blame the solider for his actions, or the teenager for talking with the guy? we will never know what they were talking about, but all i know is "where are the girl's parents to supervise her chats with the guy?".. she was only 13, and supposedly, they were having many overnight conversations..

i think it is a travesty seeing the teenage culture right now.. i can't count how many pregnant teenagers i see outside right now. i saw an 18 year old girl with two children. that's bad. i would like to ask .. where are the parents?.. if they blame their lifestyle, how they are poor and have to work two jobs and everything.. but how about that precious time they have when they are home with the children?.. i say parents are not spending enough q.t. with their kids.. if you ask any kid who they see as their role model, i promise you less than 5% of them will name either one of their parents..

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Originally posted by Arbiter Being an irresponsible parent isn't a priviledge reserved for the younger generation, there are just as many (if not more) irresponsible parents who are (supposedly) mature. But it's my opinion that it doesn't really have anything to do with "kids these days," since "kids these days" for whatever reason are becoming parents less often than "kids in those past days."

Very true. Things seem to be better when you look at the pure statistics of it all, but these are people, children, not necessarily just numbers. Just one abandoned child is too many, though this poignant consideration won't change much...

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If people weren't irresponsible, many people just happen to be irresponsible, and there's nothing we can do about it. At the very core of being a human individual is that there's only so much you can do about what another person chooses to think or do. And most of the time, people try to do too much, not too little, to control others. The simple fact of the matter is that we can spend those resources that we have left over trying to make the world a better place through better education, greater acceptance of individual differences, and efficient investment of present-day resources in developing the infrastructure to support the future, or we can spend those resources trying to make everyone dress the "right" way or by vainly trying to suppress the sexuality of people our society arbitrarily deems "too young," even though nature obviously disagrees.

Agreed, but I wasn't necessarily getting at 'controlling' others, that's why I related this concept to myself. The wise person can look at others and others' mistakes and say "wow...they fucked up!" but an even greater wisdom stems from the person who considers that another's mistake is probably something to watch out for, and something that they don't really want to do in their life. There is just no excuse for ignorance in this day and age - everyone in our society KNOWS that when you put tab 'A' into slot 'B', and wiggle it around long enough, you will get a perfect replica between tab 'A' and Slot 'B's likenesses about 9 months down the road. I don't care if you're 12 years old- that's old enough to know about these sorts of things, especially when they teach Sex Ed. so early in elementary schools (I was 10 when I learned about it in school). Society has placed these social inhibitions (such as wearing clothes) in order so as to discourage the unenlightened and immature from breeding. Has it worked? Nah - not really, but we should still strive to suppress this natural urge and live in moderation just as we suppress the urge to kill and maim those who cross our paths with deceitful or malevolent intent. Key word: should. Of course, people get killed and maimed and fucked and pregnant every day - the only problem that seems to arise from sex is that it's so rarely an act of love - especially within the immature; it's just an act of pure lust between those who are irresponsible enough to give in to the id at any occasion. If you are wise enough to know that sex should be a union between two people for some greater purpose than merely to reproduce, then I'd wager that you're also responsible enough to use protection as well - love is just the failsafe buffer for relationships that seem to result in a child, though.

So, you truly can't control others, and you shouldn't really attempt to - that's an irresponsible waste just as much as harboring a child despite your irresponsibility and willingness to properly take care of it. All that you CAN do, however, is more significant than most people would accredit - you have total control over yourself, when nobody owns you, no-one's to blame. As such, all you can do is try to control your own actions and act with responsibility and reason - so many people disregard this for the immediate ease that comes from instant gratification, and that's what we label as 'immaturity'-regardless of age. Just because you listen to the wisdom of others doesn't mean you are forfeiting your individuality - subjection has a way of working itself out through the mental process, and can define a person regardless of social exposure (on a level comparable with what humans consider individuality).

Holy shit, what did I do to this thread?

Kids are having sex at an early age. I know of plenty of kids my age / friends that have had sex already. I honestly don't give a shit. If they slip the puck past the goalie/catch teh puck in the glove they are now a father/mother. I feel no sympathy for them. Kids know the risks now days. We have sex-ed at earlier ages now. It's their responsibility. It's time some kids step up to the plate and take actions for their mistakes, or make adult decisions. You shouldn't be having sex period unless you can support the baby.

Personally, I'd rather not have sex with some high school classmate that won't mean anything to me in 2 weeks. So many kids just get in pointless relationships at young ages now. It's a complete waste. They hold hands, say they love each other, than 1 month later they hate each other, and find someone else to "love". Love isn't something that should just go around like the air you breathe. It should be something you long for with a special individual.

Personally, I am going to wait a bit. I'll be in college next year. Once at school I can find someone special to settle down with, and go from there.

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