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starsearcher, you have to read this book

Nickel and Dimed
by Barbara Ehrenreich

just read the intro and the wall mart section.........acually read the whole thing......corporations suck.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Actually hehehe...don't read too much stuff written by Noam Chomsky...hehe...he's a brilliant linguist and that is his field, nobody comes close - the problem is he's written what appears to be thousands of books lol....none of which are actually backed by any serious research - it's kind of like reading someone's flame mail We had a whole speech about this guy in one of my history classes - so although what he says is not necessarily all wrong, but it's a lot of flaming without any real hard facts and research behind it - unlike Michael Moore on the other hand that shows you the facts as well. But yeah other than that you're absolutely correct.

Noam Chomsky has been controvertial in regards to US politics and how it has detrimented the country, but widely respected by many in the world.

Academia is tricky though, and many professors protest theories and can be biased, it's difficult to argue. The thing about theories is you really have to use your judgement by reading different points of view and comparing it to what is happening around you. It is possible that the subjects he protests are not that detrimental to some. But our perception of what is dire in the world varies individually.

To dismiss a great man who has opened the eyes of so many people is a little ignorant.

Marshall Mcluhan, who's theories were dismissed by many academics and are now celebrated world-wide. is he all talk?

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Originally posted by Pettiscool starsearcher, you have to read this book Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich just read the intro and the wall mart section.........acually read the whole thing......corporations suck.

Will do!

The thing is I'm overall a business student - and at the end of the day i'll be a part of these corporations, either leading, working, or starting one...so don't piss on my parade ahahhahaha


The thing is - everyone's bashing corporations but in reality it's the people that running them that you should bash. The thing is, nobody who is against the corporations is suggesting anything better cuase there isn't much really. That's the way of the free markets after all

It's a really tough "game" and it's ugly and it's cruel but it can also be fun and very rewarding. It's the individual moral values that should be there Corporations on their own aren't bad - just the people leading them. There's plenty of good ones too it's just the disasterous always make it to the news pages

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Originally posted by mot10n get ready to chalk another one up for the corporations. and lol, you're saying you wont read a linguist' point of view of americas global strategy just because he's a linguist? chomsky is one of the leading foreign policy theorists around. his linguistics background only cements his facts because he knows how to properly form an argument and how to back it up. sorry to hijack

Chomsky can suck my left nut. The guy doesn't know jack shit, he's the Academic version of Michael moore. He uses flowery language and big words to convey absolutely NOTHING original - every single one of his "arguments" is a watered-down, poorly structured ersatz version of a much more profound argument put forth by historical philosophers.

Chomsky doesn't deserve 1% of the respect he gets. His writing stinks of the blind and skewed extreme-left, burgeoise-resenting, anticapitalist and anti-intellectual hate spewed by every other quasi-Communist out there. His sole achievement is using his skills as a "linguist" to use the right buzz words to make his arguments look established and well-researched. I don't think he's produced anything that isn't either deeply flawed at a fundamental level or drawing on innumerable fallacies to reach his conclusions.

Do yourselves a favour and put down that rag written by him and start using the pages as toilet paper.

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Originally posted by starsearcher That's scarry...

If I ever get the pleasure to meet u I promise you that you won't think I'm scary

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Originally posted by DigiNut Chomsky can suck my left nut. The guy doesn't know jack shit, he's the Academic version of Michael moore. He uses flowery language and big words to convey absolutely NOTHING original - every single one of his "arguments" is a watered-down, poorly structured ersatz version of a much more profound argument put forth by historical philosophers. Chomsky doesn't deserve 1% of the respect he gets. His writing stinks of the blind and skewed extreme-left, burgeoise-resenting, anticapitalist and anti-intellectual hate spewed by every other quasi-Communist out there. His sole achievement is using his skills as a "linguist" to use the right buzz words to make his arguments look established and well-researched. I don't think he's produced anything that isn't either deeply flawed at a fundamental level or drawing on innumerable fallacies to reach his conclusions. Do yourselves a favour and put down that rag written by him and start using the pages as toilet paper.

While I never read the guy all I see here is you putting him down because you say he isn't original and he tries to prove a point. Hell, you're doing the same thing so should wipe my ass with what you wrote, just because you're not the first to put him down?

Wal-Mart has done more for the people of this earth than the Pyramids ever have.

The pyramids represent the enslavement of man to serve the ends of the Pharoas. People dying in the desert, lugging massive blocks across the Nile, building these large pointless structures, simply to serve the whims of some king with some mystic connection with the "gods."

Wal-mart represents the success of capitalism and it's ability to serve the needs of all men. Wal-mart provides good products and services at lower prices to more people than any other statist-collectivist-distribution scheme concocted by any government. Not only that, but Wal-Mart provides a means to getting those goods and services as well, namely..jobs.

So, while the pyrimids represent the evil of using other men (as slaves) as a means to an end, Wal-mart represents productivity and freedom. People choose to shop at wal-mart, they choose to work at wal-mart, and they benefit from the jobs and the products while the owners, proprietors, executives, shareholders and stakeholders benefit from the profits.

Wal-Mart>Pyramids.

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Originally posted by Cal While I never read the guy all I see here is you putting him down because you say he isn't original and he tries to prove a point. Hell, you're doing the same thing so should wipe my ass with what you wrote, just because you're not the first to put him down?

Oh that's rich - the difference is, I'm not publishing my material and trying to pass it off to millions of people as fresh intellectual political theory. I'm just trying to talk some sense into people that might not really realize that Noam Chomsky is not very well respected in the political arena. There are in fact a lot of people (by people I mean mostly students and activists) who read him extensively, cite his material in their essays and consider him a scholarly source - but in the intellectual world, he's scum.

rofl diginut, so harsh. why am i even wasting time posting. seems like my views are seen as total shit, and that i should be wiping myself with the aforementioned book. my bad. i'll run everything by you before i open my mouth, sound good?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Oh that's rich - the difference is, I'm not publishing my material and trying to pass it off to millions of people as fresh intellectual political theory. I'm just trying to talk some sense into people that might not really realize that Noam Chomsky is not very well respected in the political arena. There are in fact a lot of people (by people I mean mostly students and activists) who read him extensively, cite his material in their essays and consider him a scholarly source - but in the intellectual world, he's scum.

He is an academic. Period. FOR him to get published he MUST have PEERS review the work. I'm guessing they are peers of the subject that he is talking of. If what he was doing was not considered backed up with real facts and well proven points it would have been a lot more difficult for him to be published inside the walls of academia no?
As for him not using facts, plz explain this if he has references in his books? Are you disputing those references?


As for fucking Walmart putting up a store near the Mexican Pyramids...WTF IS THIS WORLD COMING TO? That's the equivalent of McDonalds putting up a franchise INSIDE the Pyramids of Gaza.

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Originally posted by dance2dabeat If I ever get the pleasure to meet u I promise you that you won't think I'm scary

Awwwwww I was being a lil mean and you came back with such a nice answer - I feel bad even though I was just kidding

But yeah unless youre buying brand name stuff at Wal-Mart I'd be REALLY worried about the cosmetic/beauty products you put on your skin - there's practically no need for any approvals to make something My mom works in the industry and her company supplies to Wal-Mart so I know!

Although it'll be a pleasure to meet you one day too

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Originally posted by drewfactor Wal-Mart has done more for the people of this earth than the Pyramids ever have. The pyramids represent the enslavement of man to serve the ends of the Pharoas. People dying in the desert, lugging massive blocks across the Nile, building these large pointless structures, simply to serve the whims of some king with some mystic connection with the "gods." Wal-mart represents the success of capitalism and it's ability to serve the needs of all men. Wal-mart provides good products and services at lower prices to more people than any other statist-collectivist-distribution scheme concocted by any government. Not only that, but Wal-Mart provides a means to getting those goods and services as well, namely..jobs. So, while the pyrimids represent the evil of using other men (as slaves) as a means to an end, Wal-mart represents productivity and freedom. People choose to shop at wal-mart, they choose to work at wal-mart, and they benefit from the jobs and the products while the owners, proprietors, executives, shareholders and stakeholders benefit from the profits. Wal-Mart>Pyramids.

Pyramids = cultural/historical importance.
Walmart = corporate/consumption parasite.


Pyramids > Walmart

starsearcher, honestly i think you have it completely backwards

corporations are the evil part,....... you think that the people at the top are the bad part??!?! your fucking nuts..... if they quit or tried to add morals to the system they would be eliminated and replaced by people that like to get rewarded finacially by corporate structre......good people get sucked into bad situations in corportations.

Hmmmm ... I read about this and this is what I know.

First of all, the Wal-Mart is not located NEAR the Mexican Pyramid, but some distance away - the whole problem is, that the villagers dont want to see the friggin WAL-MART from the Pyramid! I mean, come on ... what a lame excuse - they dont want to see signs of capitalism from their ancient structure. Oh, and by the way, the Pyramid (the Mexican one) does not represent PHARAOHS or OPRESSION, OR WHATEVER you want to call it. Aztecs were very spiritual people, and they build their pyramids as a place of worship, burial or for the use of their amazingly perfect solar calendar.

Those villagers (where the Pyramid is located) are poor, and Wal-Mart will bring jobs, economy and lower prices that they can afford. Its just some villagers were whining about the fact that capitalism is "invading" their holy village.

As for my opinions or my talk about corporations/capitalism on this topic - no comment.

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