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^^ i agree with that exactly.
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| Originally posted by glittergirl ^^ i agree with that exactly. |
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| Originally posted by Dave Piazza Laushinameee, who is a PVD whore, told me once that PVD was always a hard techno/trance DJ. He told me that its apart of his German Techno roots. [He also disproved my theory that communists like Detroit Techno (inside joke  ) ] Laushinameee went on to say people misunderstand PVD because he's more than just his 'trancy' production work [i.e. reflections, global, Politics of Dance, etc.) That said I stared to do some research on PVD and noticed in the late 90's his tracklists (available on TA) were really trancy and not really hard. I also noticed the hard phase come into existence in 2003. My research could be wrong though I wait PVD whore Laushinameee to correct any inaccuracies in my statements. |
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| Originally posted by CosmoKid now its just banging tech shit to me. |
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| Originally posted by Dave Piazza Which part my PVD research or what Laushinameee said ? |
I've not noticed too many flaws in his mixing but having listened to him since late '02 I've got to say he's gone alot more techno than I can stand. I tried listening to his last set from Casino and utterly hated it. Too much beaty techyness for my taste.
PvD has always had the techno element... thats what he started off playing, techno alongside a few more 'trancey' things. There were only a few people making the trancey things then, so it was majority techno. Listen to some of his 93/94 sets - sure for the time it was 'trancey', but its really far away from todays pansy armin style trance music.
I dont understand why people are thinking hes got more 'techy' in the past year, if im honest id say the opposite was true. He used to play far less epic 'trance' and a lot more things with an edge. (apart from in 99 when he was just totally shite, blame the trance explosion in the UK for that one)
I hope hes going to expand the techier side of his style, he plays some great music & always has done, and a lot of people havent been exposed to that yet from him.
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| Originally posted by Wraith I've not noticed too many flaws in his mixing but having listened to him since late '02 I've got to say he's gone alot more techno than I can stand. I tried listening to his last set from Casino and utterly hated it. Too much beaty techyness for my taste. |
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| Originally posted by Laushinameee PvD has always had the techno element... thats what he started off playing, techno alongside a few more 'trancey' things. There were only a few people making the trancey things then, so it was majority techno. Listen to some of his 93/94 sets - sure for the time it was 'trancey', but its really far away from todays pansy armin style trance music. I dont understand why people are thinking hes got more 'techy' in the past year, if im honest id say the opposite was true. He used to play far less epic 'trance' and a lot more things with an edge. (apart from in 99 when he was just totally shite, blame the trance explosion in the UK for that one) I hope hes going to expand the techier side of his style, he plays some great music & always has done, and a lot of people havent been exposed to that yet from him. |
Ahhhh
PVD is one the best in his industry right now. Enough said!!!!!!
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| Originally posted by Dj Spiel PVD is one the best in his industry right now. Enough said!!!!!! |
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| Originally posted by Laushinameee PvD has always had the techno element... thats what he started off playing, techno alongside a few more 'trancey' things. There were only a few people making the trancey things then, so it was majority techno. Listen to some of his 93/94 sets - sure for the time it was 'trancey', but its really far away from todays pansy armin style trance music. I dont understand why people are thinking hes got more 'techy' in the past year, if im honest id say the opposite was true. He used to play far less epic 'trance' and a lot more things with an edge. |
wot is the point in showing his old tracklists against the newer ones?
obviously every dj progresses in tastes over time.for van dyk he got tougher.for oakenfold he got proggier.for tiesto he got shittier
less of the van dyk hating.hes done alot for the scene.show some respect
well i did say look at 93/94 tracklist, pasting up something from 99 is a bit different but look at his set in 99, its 90% pretty shit trance. There were a lot of people close to him that didnt like the way he was going in 99, and hes lost a lot of friends because of the direction he took in those years... that 99 tracklist youve just given me is an example of PvD at his very worst.
but compare it to the 97 playlist anyway, the 97 one has a lot more of a techno element, his remix of you cant escape & chinese burn are both really dark & quite acid tracks...
looking at a handful of playlists really doesnt mean anything, but im sure you can see that hes definately not got 'more techy' in recent years. Id say the opposite was true. If you dont know the tracks from 97 and before, then dont make the claim.
i think a lot of people r forgettin MUSIC changes and progresses over time, not just the DJ's taste in music!
over the last year or two iv enoticed him spinning a lot of techier stuff too but i LVOE it!
my tastes seem to have changed with him! dont get me wrong i love AVB etc too, they wouldnt touch a lot of stuff PVD plays, but id rather i prefer bangin techno to th latest filo & peri / markus schulz etc any day!
he fux up every now and then but people r bein WAY ot harsh! its easier mixing prog than fast paced music like PVD plays, so its no wonder Markus etc do it with less obvious fuck ups is it?! 
i dont think i am PVD hating by any means. i was simply commenting on dave's original post.
i was trying to give some tracklists over the years, unsuccessfully illustrating my point 
one thing i figured out is that it seems mostly everyone agrees with his style changes. some like it, some dont.
i guess i liked the fluffier PVD, even though i still thought he banged it in 2000. i guess its all relative.
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| Originally posted by Laushinameee well i did say look at 93/94 tracklist, pasting up something from 99 is a bit different but look at his set in 99, its 90% pretty shit trance. There were a lot of people close to him that didnt like the way he was going in 99, and hes lost a lot of friends because of the direction he took in those years... that 99 tracklist youve just given me is an example of PvD at his very worst.but compare it to the 97 playlist anyway, the 97 one has a lot more of a techno element, his remix of you cant escape & chinese burn are both really dark & quite acid tracks... looking at a handful of playlists really doesnt mean anything, but im sure you can see that hes definately not got 'more techy' in recent years. Id say the opposite was true. If you dont know the tracks from 97 and before, then dont make the claim. |
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| Originally posted by Laushinameee well i did say look at 93/94 tracklist |
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| Originally posted by Radagast Paul Van Dyk - X-Mix 1: The MFS Trip (1993) 0. Alien Nation - Intro 1. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring 2. True Love - Breath Of Stars 3. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet 4. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I 5. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl 6. Microglobe - High On Hope 7. Voov - Strobe Light 8. Futurhythm - Transmanic 9. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track 10. Humate - Love Stimulation 11. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears 12. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take? 13. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa 14. Loopzone - Natural High 15. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night Ta da. |
such a shame that MFS went down the shitter....
Uh huh. And for something with less MFS-ness...
Paul Van Dyk - Live at HR XXL Club Night Classix
1993-02-27
01. Paradise 3001 - Beautification
02. Moka DJ - Republic of Moka
03. Phuture - Inside Out
04. N. Ferini - Solution EPP Vol. 1
05. Ege Bam Yasi - Bubble
06. Simple Symphonies - Fluxland
07. Humate - Love Stimulation
08. Interactive - Koma
09. V.F.R. - Trance Illusion
10. Terragon - Party
11. Matto Grosso - Jungle
12. L.M.N.O. - X
13. X-Buzz - Beyond the Hill
14. Arpeggiators - X-plain The Un-x-plained
15. The Trip - LSD Liquid Club
16. Store - Don't Resist The Beat
17. Makowski - In The Sky
18. La Camorra - Te Quiero
19. Finitribe - 101.93
20. Effective Force - Illuminate the Planet
21. JYNX - Pure Elation
22. Dub Commission - Lost In House
23. Migangos - Feel The Music
24. House Junkie - Skylab
25. T.F.B. - Over The Edge
26. Atahualpa - In Nomine Patris
27. 10th Chapter - Product
28. Urban Hype - Living In A Fantasy
29. Glam - Hell's Party
30. Crunch - 50c
31. D.O.P. - Oh Yeah
32. Face the Bass - Time Time
33. Trance Wave One - Techno European League
34. Force Mass Motion - Sub Sonix
Hmm...
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| Originally posted by Laushinameee great cd such a shame that MFS went down the shitter.... |
Regardless of what he plays, he always ownes the crowd at the end. That's why he is one of the best.
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| Originally posted by BrownTA4Life lol, i heard Mark Reader is a manager for Burger King now |
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| Originally posted by Nite-Mer And for the guy that said prog is easier to mix, that depends. Some prog is and some isn't. Tempo doesn't mean shit. It's track interaction that can be tougher playing trance. But if the dj is playing trance and waiting until the end of the track to mix, it's not difficult at all. It's under and overlapping well that is tough with trance, but I have been playing a lot of ethereal or melodic progressive that is equally difficult. Sometimes it's even harder, because the basslines vary more and are more prominent fixtures in the song. So you can't really generalize like that. If your reasoning was true, D n B would be the hardest genre to mix, but that's not really the case. Edit - Also, I went to see Markus for the first time recently. The latter part of his set was uptempo trance, aka Rank One - Breathing (airwave) Breaks mix, etc. He did fine on those mixes too. |
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| Originally posted by scAza i know what you mean i didnt mean to generalise my point so much, but in my experience and ive had a lot or mixing proggy stuff, and mixin like 145-150bpm stuff, i find it a lot harder doing that than doin the slower stuff! the slower stuff can be harder as u say, coz they usually hav drawn-out melodies lasting way more bars etc, u hav to bring in and bring out at the right point, but i play really fast stuff that has the same thing a lot of the time, and i find it easier doing the long transitions on low tempo stuff, to when am bangin it at 145 or somethin,, thats my experience of it anyway i think tempo DOES mean somethin, coz if 2 tracks at around 150BPM arent beatmatched and start to fall out of sync.. it becomes noticeable a LOT quicker, than on 2 proggy tunes playin at 128BPM, with soft organic type drumbeats... |
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