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Posted by bucky on Nov-13-2004 08:35:

Posted by k la on Nov-13-2004 16:40:

Posted by harcourt on Nov-13-2004 17:33:

quote:
Originally posted by bucky
That vid clip posted in the first post is complete BULLSHIT!

read this page, and search the net for many others..

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

The end, move on.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. An article linking to CNN photos as proof? There is no way a 757 flew into the Pentagon.

Posted by Vivid Boy on Nov-13-2004 17:43:

quote:
Originally posted by TheVrk
believe me when i say i dont believe hardly
ANYTHING when it comes to the media.
and that vid clip IS convincing.

from that i say, i wouldnt doubt it if it were true.
bush and the US are SO corrupt/deceiving that
this could possibly (and prolly) be true

its not just bush that is corrupt. its our whole society. a corrupt leader for a corrupt nation. fits pretty well.

and by the way im not bitter with society. it actually makes me laugh and gets me excited. i love having a birds eye view on how this nation runs. western civilization is fucking halarious. so many ppl are going to be without direction come the next 2 decades. heres a lil prediction for you people. i know alot of you are coming out of university with a shit load of education thinking to yourselves, "how am i going to make top dollar in this society with the skills i have learned". dont think that way because that trian of thought is going to become useless. come out thinking "how am i going to advance this society with the skills i have learned". because the way things are running now is not the way they're going to stay. Living cheap and beaking lil rule by lil rule, that can only last for so long till the structure of society breaks. think how to reinforce the foundation of society and u will live happily and make $$$ to support urself and ur family. THE DAYS OF BIG BUSINESS ARE ALMOST OVER! NO MORE MANUFACTURING PRODUCTS AS CHEAPLY AS POSSIBLE AND SELLING AT RIDCULOUS PRICES! cheapness only gets u so far till it breaks its sad that so many took advantage of the way society is but its a vicious cycle. and we coming to the end of it.

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-13-2004 20:24:

We are on the verge of collapse. People are way too ignorant and arrogant to believe that we could end up being the third world. Just remember that 30 years ago, Afghanistan was a very rich middle class country. (Also a major backpacker's destination) 50 years ago Argentina was the richest country in the world.

At the current rate of spending, I give the US 10-15 years before declaring bankruptcy and defaulting on their debt (like Argentina did in 2001). If that happens the whole world's economy is in trouble.

If we keep electing careless governments that kowtow to public opinion instead of doing what's right, then we are in big trouble. I hate to say it bu guys like MIke Harris and Ralph Klein have it right when it comes to public policy. Suffer a bit now, reduce the deficit and debt and save the future for tomorrow.

Posted by Rodrico on Nov-13-2004 20:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Vivid Boy
its not just bush that is corrupt. its our whole society. a corrupt leader for a corrupt nation. fits pretty well.

and by the way im not bitter with society. it actually makes me laugh and gets me excited. i love having a birds eye view on how this nation runs. western civilization is fucking halarious. so many ppl are going to be without direction come the next 2 decades. heres a lil prediction for you people. i know alot of you are coming out of university with a shit load of education thinking to yourselves, "how am i going to make top dollar in this society with the skills i have learned". dont think that way because that trian of thought is going to become useless. come out thinking "how am i going to advance this society with the skills i have learned". because the way things are running now is not the way they're going to stay. Living cheap and beaking lil rule by lil rule, that can only last for so long till the structure of society breaks. think how to reinforce the foundation of society and u will live happily and make $$$ to support urself and ur family. THE DAYS OF BIG BUSINESS ARE ALMOST OVER! NO MORE MANUFACTURING PRODUCTS AS CHEAPLY AS POSSIBLE AND SELLING AT RIDCULOUS PRICES! cheapness only gets u so far till it breaks its sad that so many took advantage of the way society is but its a vicious cycle. and we coming to the end of it.

Mr. Vivid, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-13-2004 20:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodrico
Mr. Vivid, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Actually he makes a very valid point and aside from the grammar it is probably one of the most insightful things i've ever read on here.

Posted by Rodrico on Nov-13-2004 20:43:

Yeah, our social structure will just collapse, and we will begin to live in a world like Mad Max. Come Armageddon! I know what hes trying to say, but following the argumental path of a slippery slope is fallacious. We are not reverting back to the middle ages of economy.

Lastly, I was joking with a Billy Madison quote, me and him have had this discussion or something similar before.

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-13-2004 20:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodrico
Yeah, our social structure will just collapse, and we will begin to live in a world like Mad Max. Come Armageddon! I know what hes trying to say, but following the argumental path of a slippery slope is fallacious. We are not reverting back to the middle ages of economy.

Lastly, I was joking with a Billy Madison quote, me and him have had this discussion or something similar before.

Don't be so sure. The signs are all there for an economic collapse in the next 10-20 years if we dont smarten up.

Posted by bucky on Nov-13-2004 20:50:

quote:
Originally posted by tw1tch
Sorry, but I don't buy it. An article linking to CNN photos as proof? There is no way a 757 flew into the Pentagon.

Ok, then explain what happened to that 757 that just so happened to disappear? Where did the people go? Are they all living in Area51 or something? Aliens?

As much as I usually consider conspiracy theories about crap, this one is just CRAP.

Posted by Rodrico on Nov-13-2004 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Don't be so sure. The signs are all there for an economic collapse in the next 10-20 years if we dont smarten up.

A world wide economic collapse? you serious?

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-13-2004 21:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodrico
A world wide economic collapse? you serious?

Look at the record deficits of the US. Half a trillion a year. How long can that last? seriously.

Posted by Rodrico on Nov-13-2004 21:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Look at the record deficits of the US. Half a trillion a year. How long can that last? seriously.

Thats to say they will continue to pay half a trillion for the next 10 years, do you honestly think America will just destroy themselves like that?

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-13-2004 21:15:

Posted by discojoe on Nov-13-2004 21:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Look at the record deficits of the US. Half a trillion a year. How long can that last? seriously.

i agree its not a good thing but i am sure alan greenspan, the federal reserve and all of bush's advisors will let him know when the deficit is reaching apocalyptic proportions.

I would worry more about pension shortfalls, baby boomers and a potential stock market collapse 10 years from now.

Posted by Rodrico on Nov-13-2004 21:30:

You underestimate America's power to stay in power for a reason.

Posted by discojoe on Nov-13-2004 21:32:

quote:
Originally posted by bucky
Ok, then explain what happened to that 757 that just so happened to disappear? Where did the people go?

America is a big country, its not hard to hide a plane. The plce where the plane mysteriously went off the radar would be a good start.

Posted by bucky on Nov-13-2004 21:34:

quote:
Originally posted by discojoe
America is a big country, its not hard to hide a plane. The plce where the plane mysteriously went off the radar would be a good start.

Ok, so the American Government just took a place, hid it somewhere, destroyed it, and killed all the passengers on board?

Posted by discojoe on Nov-13-2004 21:45:

quote:
Originally posted by bucky
Ok, so the American Government just took a place, hid it somewhere, destroyed it, and killed all the passengers on board?

Who knows. There's about as much evidence that that happened as there is
a 757 actually crashed into the pentagon. Other than the fact that we know 130 people died and that the government tells us that it was the 757 that crashed into it theres absolutely no evidence it happened. There is plenty of research and evidence out there it didnt happen. If you want to keep an open mind and read it then great. If you don't then fine, i guess its easier not knowing.

Posted by Vivid Boy on Nov-13-2004 22:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodrico
Thats to say they will continue to pay half a trillion for the next 10 years, do you honestly think America will just destroy themselves like that?

yup. because they just got them into a huge mess with this war on terrorism. its a battle they cant win and they will continue fighting it, mostly because bush doesnt give a fuck and only cares abt the money hes bringing in thru his company. US is fucked.

Posted by St_Andrew on Nov-13-2004 22:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
stupid shit like that i dont believe.

But the theory i have presented is highly plausable and the motive behind it is understandable.

booth yes and no. I dont think anyone really had questioned the shootdown at the time tho. Everyone was in shock, whatever could be done to keep more things like that to happen would have pleased 99.999% of the american population at the time, and still today i think...

Posted by bucky on Nov-13-2004 22:19:

read this...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages...e_evidence.html

Posted by Rodrico on Nov-13-2004 22:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Vivid Boy
yup. because they just got them into a huge mess with this war on terrorism. its a battle they cant win and they will continue fighting it, mostly because bush doesnt give a fuck and only cares abt the money hes bringing in thru his company. US is fucked.

You know his term ends in four years, unless they plan on bankrupting themselves within this time frame, I doubt bush can do any more damage.

Posted by Vivid Boy on Nov-13-2004 23:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodrico
You know his term ends in four years, unless they plan on bankrupting themselves within this time frame, I doubt bush can do any more damage.

look what hes done in 4 years already. im not a mathematician or anything but 4+4=8 i do believe. 8 years is enough time to do enough damage. and who cares if he's out of office in 4 years. by that time he can do enough damage that its irreversible. look at it this way, if Kerry got into office, you think he would have been able to pull out of iraq? thats it thats all. send iraq an "im sorry" card from hallmark and turn his intrests somewhere else? i doubt it

Posted by Rodrico on Nov-13-2004 23:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Vivid Boy
look what hes done in 4 years already. im not a mathematician or anything but 4+4=8 i do believe. 8 years is enough time to do enough damage. and who cares if he's out of office in 4 years. by that time he can do enough damage that its irreversible. look at it this way, if Kerry got into office, you think he would have been able to pull out of iraq? thats it thats all. send iraq an "im sorry" card from hallmark and turn his intrests somewhere else? i doubt it

you gotta remember the dynamics of the world's economy is changing to many other countries in todays day and age, while an american economy collapse (which I doubt they would let happen) is plausible, the world economy will not be destroyed single handedly because of the americans, things will change and adapt, but we will never see a world catastrophy where we live in the dark ages. While George W. might of fucked shit up, once his reign is over, it will take time for them to repair what they can, i believe everyone said the same shit over the Regean administration...and America still thrived afterwards with time and new presidents.

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