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Originally posted by occrider Unless you're doing science or engineering, the working world has almost nothing to do with college. If you're not intrinsically intelligent by the time you get to college, no amount of essays is going to prep you for your job outside of college. College is simply the most expensive resume padding you've ever invested in. I would fully advocate not wasting your time on the 80% of BS that is college if you can because it's simply wasted time and effort. Listen to Bob Dobbs ... don't be a pink! Embrace slack.

Well, maybe Aussie universities are different to US ones (I can't imagine any but the wankiest arts subject asking you to write an essay "on cause and effect"), but I've found uni has changed the way I think and perceive the world in quite strong ways. I think if a university can't teach you the thought processes required for your chosen discipline, or at least show you that there are different waysof perceiving the world, making you a more broad-minded idividual, then it has failed.

imo, there should be more "argumentative" essays written than "cause and effect" essays .. yes people can plaguerize more in "argumentative" essays, but the ones who do write the whole 100% essay will feel more confident in their speech skills and their stands on certain issues .. unlike a certain presidental hopeful .. you don't want to be a flip-flopper in life, because everyone would think you don't have a mind of your own .. getting off topic here ..

but no matter what people say, imo argumentative essays build the high school student's morale on taking stands on issues .. cause and effect papers are for elementary schools.

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Originally posted by occrider Unless you're doing science or engineering, the working world has almost nothing to do with college. If you're not intrinsically intelligent by the time you get to college, no amount of essays is going to prep you for your job outside of college. College is simply the most expensive resume padding you've ever invested in. I would fully advocate not wasting your time on the 80% of BS that is college if you can because it's simply wasted time and effort. Listen to Bob Dobbs ... don't be a pink! Embrace slack.

College teaches you how to learn, how to interact in the real world, and in many cases teaches you the basics and some specifics of the field youre interested in, and it proves to your future employers youre a dedicated person, not just some fuckup. I've been told many times it doesn't really matter what you study in college, just that you do well. However, I'm a Sophomore computer engineering/science major, and I've already learned tons use subjects that WILL be useful in my future career(s).

So I'll have to disagree with you, if you have the opportunity to attend college then its well worth it. If nothing its else its 4 years of hardcore partying

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Originally posted by cheesy College teaches you how to learn, how to interact in the real world, and in many cases teaches you the basics and some specifics of the field youre interested in, and it proves to your future employers youre a dedicated person, not just some fuckup. I've been told many times it doesn't really matter what you study in college, just that you do well. However, I'm a Sophomore computer engineering/science major, and I've already learned tons use subjects that WILL be useful in my future career(s). So I'll have to disagree with you, if you have the opportunity to attend college then its well worth it. If nothing its else its 4 years of hardcore partying

agree..
i say good essays = good cover letters = easy job searching .. (well depending on the field of course .. hahahhaa) .. knowing how to write a good cover letter is the ability to know how to sell yourself for a good bargain to companies..

one thing i would like to add..truly honest people dont get far in life...if u dont suck up, hussle etc etc..you will be stuck in the same job for ever...street smart > book smart. a dude that graduated with a 3.0 but knows how to hussle and work people will be alot better than the geek with the 4.0

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Originally posted by tranceaholic one thing i would like to add..truly honest people dont get far in life...if u dont suck up, hussle etc etc..you will be stuck in the same job for ever...street smart > book smart. a dude that graduated with a 3.0 but knows how to hussle and work people will be alot better than the geek with the 4.0

well .. not really .. you can always hustle your way to a 4.0 .. .. i have known many people that have hustled their ways to a's .. don't know what they are doing, but they got what they wanted when i was with them .. hahaha

but you are right there .. street smarts does outweigh the book smarts ..

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic agree.. i say good essays = good cover letters = easy job searching .. (well depending on the field of course .. hahahhaa) .. knowing how to write a good cover letter is the ability to know how to sell yourself for a good bargain to companies..

I think if your writing skills aren't good enough to write a decent cover letter when you leave school, I think you would struggle to get a pass on a university essay.


On a different note, the way people in this thread have been talking about college essays makes me think the ones in the US are quite different to the ones we get here. Could people give some examples of the kinds of essay topics they've been assigned?

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Originally posted by astroboy I think if your writing skills aren't good enough to write a decent cover letter when you leave school, I think you would struggle to get a pass on a university essay. On a different note, the way people in this thread have been talking about college essays makes me think the ones in the US are quite different to the ones we get here. Could people give some examples of the kinds of essay topics they've been assigned?

you would be surprised how many people i know that have graduated from college, and don't know how to sell themselves on a cover letter ..

wow .. it's been a while .. i just remember my philosophy and catholicism arguments i wrote for my dumb classes .. here are some i remember ..

-"write a 500-750 words on a topic in a book we read and discuss what the protagonist/anatagonist is thinking .." (<== probably the most i have wrote .. the teachers usually wanted to hear our feelings on what the author of the books were feeling for the character)
-3-4 pages on some current event that is happening, and a stand (for/against)..
-my fav : history essays .. woo hoo! .. on american history .. don't ask why .. i love to learn about history .. around 8 to 10 pages ..
-research essays (or papers you may say) .. these are mostly like do the research and plop down what you read about .. it was mostly biology junk essays ..

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Originally posted by josh4 dont do it ive tried it all the sites there are suck the essays are horrible i dont think there are any free sites and the pay ones make you spend $70+ on a paper that reads like a 5th grader wrote it but TA is a good place to start. post a question related to your essay and copy & paste the reponses if you get a good debate going and instigate arguments you could have your paper written for you

ive been doing that for monthes. i do have to say this is my best place to get info for opinion pieces and persuasion essays.

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic -"write a 500-750 words on a topic in a book we read and discuss what the protagonist/anatagonist is thinking .." (<== probably the most i have wrote .. the teachers usually wanted to hear our feelings on what the author of the books were feeling for the character) -3-4 pages on some current event that is happening, and a stand (for/against).. -my fav : history essays .. woo hoo! .. on american history .. don't ask why .. i love to learn about history .. around 8 to 10 pages .. -research essays (or papers you may say) .. these are mostly like do the research and plop down what you read about .. it was mostly biology junk essays ..

These sound very much like the standard essays we got at high school. I used to love doing these. Since I got into uni we haven't got any real essays under 2500 words (there were a couple of 1000 worders in first year as minor assignments worth very few marks). The major ones are ususally etween 3000 and 5000 words. Most of these have been quite specific, focused on a particular point of controversy in the law, asking you to explore the issues, analyse several proposed changes and make a recommendation of your own. Usually to get a decent mark you have to have a crapload of research (loads of footnotes and a massive bibliography); come up with an original argument; and have something at the end which is of near-publishable quality.

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