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I'm pure amateur, cant afford my own, but its defintly harder than it looks frome experiance using friends turntables.

So you manage to get a beatmatch, and now youre gonna transide, you've now got to make it sound smooth, get just the right part to drop, and more over, you've gotta make it go boom in peoples minds.

Anyone got a grand spare for me some tt's?

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Originally posted by sym But, the fact that they can carry around 1000s of tunes on a laptop for a fraction of the weight of carrying around a record case with 60 records, says alot. A digital standard is not too far off IMO. The pros far outweight the cons.

I agree. A digital format can enable the DJ to carry more tracks for a gig with more convenience.

However, I argue that many dj�s don't need this.

Why?

1) I honestly believe that on average 10-15 solid productions are released per month. Everything else is fillers or shit. Thus 100-150 records will be gems that you will bang the shit out of the whole year. One high quality record box can hold about 100-150 records. This is ample room to store and carry all your vinyl�s you will use in a year. An extra record box of 100-150 'other/older/filler' tunes will be helpful to carry around as well.

If you are making $15,000 - 20,000 a gig and you can't find someone to help you carry 2 fuckin record boxes for you than something is wrong.

2) Look at all the DJ's currently using FS. Have their sets had more depth and shown more variety because of this storage feature FS offers. Fuck No. Paul Van Dyk has been playing the same 100 tracks the last 3-4 months even though he has this ' massive collection' of tracks on his hard drive.

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Originally posted by sym Record labels can offer digital downloads for a fraction of the cost of having to press 1000s of records. DJs save money on buying the tracking digitally. The record company sells more copies of the track digitally hopefully, caus this bring the track to a wider audience than just DJs. You don't have to worry abou scratching/breaking/wearing out an mp3.

do not support a device which encourages illegal file sharing and rip's off the producers and labels.

I am happy when I buy my high priced vinyl because I feel that I am rewarding the artist and the label for creating such excellent work. I also find it a fair trade that I purchase a record for $15 but in return I get paid $600 for a gig.

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Originally posted by sym John '00' Fleming has written alot about what he thinks of the future technology of DJing and you might want to check out his site, it's a good read. But imagine the day, when DJ's could just bring their IPod's, plug it in to the clubs laptop and play. How far off can this really be?

DJ'ing is about playing good music and making people dance.


Whenever I hear some mention performing behind the decks I immediately know it is a producers mind speaking not the DJ.

I believe in the genius of others not myself. I was attracted to DJ'ing because I saw the beauty of trying to bring together in a cohesive set the genius of many producers. I always felt that the DJ was unique because he had no distinct sound like a rock band or pop star. He could be versatile and different in his music through the work of many different producers.

I have always been wary of the idea of the 'one man remix show' which I believe is something Joof and Sasha have talked about.
why? I think when you do this you move away from my idea of the DJ and begin the path towards the 'rock band producer' or the 'pop star producer'. much as one person can be creative I don't believe you can out match the creativity of a thousand other producers each and every track.

cheating? no not really

pointless? very

stupid idea? yes

i personally have all my records sorted in alphabetical order, each with the bpm of the record written on the sleeve, determined by my mp3 of the record and a program called dss dj. its not the most accurate method however i find that knowing the approx bpm helps me a great deal.

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I believe in the genius of others not myself. I was attracted to DJ'ing because I saw the beauty of trying to bring together in a cohesive set the genius of many producers. I always felt that the DJ was unique because he had no distinct sound like a rock band or pop star. He could be versatile and different in his music through the work of many different producers.

Thats a very nice way to explain the way DJ's are attractive, instead of euro cheese pop floorfillers. Its about creating a sound and an atmosphere.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza I agree. A digital format can enable the DJ to carry more tracks for a gig with more convenience. However, I argue that many dj�s don't need this. Why? 1) I honestly believe that on average 10-15 solid productions are released per month. Everything else is fillers or shit. Thus 100-150 records will be gems that you will bang the shit out of the whole year. One high quality record box can hold about 100-150 records. This is ample room to store and carry all your vinyl�s you will use in a year. An extra record box of 100-150 'other/older/filler' tunes will be helpful to carry around as well. If you are making $15,000 - 20,000 a gig and you can't find someone to help you carry 2 fuckin record boxes for you than something is wrong. 2) Look at all the DJ's currently using FS. Have their sets had more depth and shown more variety because of this storage feature FS offers. Fuck No. Paul Van Dyk has been playing the same 100 tracks the last 3-4 months even though he has this ' massive collection' of tracks on his hard drive. do not support a device which encourages illegal file sharing and rip's off the producers and labels. I am happy when I buy my high priced vinyl because I feel that I am rewarding the artist and the label for creating such excellent work. I also find it a fair trade that I purchase a record for $15 but in return I get paid $600 for a gig. DJ'ing is about playing good music and making people dance. Whenever I hear some mention performing behind the decks I immediately know it is a producers mind speaking not the DJ. I believe in the genius of others not myself. I was attracted to DJ'ing because I saw the beauty of trying to bring together in a cohesive set the genius of many producers. I always felt that the DJ was unique because he had no distinct sound like a rock band or pop star. He could be versatile and different in his music through the work of many different producers. I have always been wary of the idea of the 'one man remix show' which I believe is something Joof and Sasha have talked about. why? I think when you do this you move away from my idea of the DJ and begin the path towards the 'rock band producer' or the 'pop star producer'. much as one person can be creative I don't believe you can out match the creativity of a thousand other producers each and every track.

Good post, and a good discussion we're having

I would have to agree with you on all those points, except for the one with live remixing. Because, when someone is using Ableton Live etc, I don't really think of their performance as a DJ as a much as a producer. It takes alot of talent and skill as a producer to be able to do that live, and I think it is a great show to watch.

As for PvD, we all know he plays the same records over and over again, so it is hard to do a comparison pre and post FS. I do think we will start seeing more DJs moving in the software direction, and we will have to see how it effects their sets to really judge if it helps them or not.

There are alot more pro DJ's that are using Final Scratch now, and perhaps someone who knows better than I could post a more complete list.

However, a quick browse through FS' website shows Funk D'Void, I'm pretty sure I've heard of Danny Howells using it, and I know that there are at least a couple more who i've heard of but I just can't remember them right now.

I still stick by my opinion that it is unfair to say the program supports filesharing. How does it support filesharing any more than CD Decks? You could just download an mp3, burn it, and stick it into a CD Deck, just as easily as you could play it off your laptop.

i think its cheating , for the most part i can guess at most of the bpms of my tracks, sometimes im wrong though, and it sucks..

yes, you cheating bastard.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Give me two small samples ( 1 min) of the same track. One in 320KB/s MP3 form and the other in Vinyl form and I promise you I can tell the difference. I don�t the difference can be detected by your average clubber but I imagine that the trained ears of a DJ can. What is the difference? The low and mid range frequencies on vinyl have that distinct warm and vibrant sound. Akin to the difference in sound produced from hardware analogue synth vs. software analogue synth. Trust me when I first started I was mixing from cd's too. It was a cheap way for me to start off. I soon discovered a credit card and found vinyl records Contrary to what you might believe I found more tunes and newer tunes on vinyl than I did on CD. Vinyl market has always been that obscure medium that separates the DJ from the listener. Yes, there has been a move towards selling MP3�s online which is good for the general public but I think DJ�s ( expect those who get paid to promote DJ software) will continue to use vinyl indefinitely. Will they use Cd�s? Of course, but as a supplement rather than a primary source for their record box (which is currently the trend). I am fond of how people react when they spot you carry a record box or playing music off a vinyl record. I love the contradictions that exist when you use vinyl (a very old medium) to play dance music (innovative and technology driven music). Does spinning Cd�s and Mp3�s make you a shit DJ ? No ! The #1 reason why some dj�s are shit, imo, is not the medium they use but rather the music they play. If you can�t pick records to make people dance than it doesn�t matter what the fuck you use. That said I still use my denon cd decks to spin material I can�t find on vinyl. But nothing can ever replace the feel of pulling a record out of its sleeve and placing it on the platter nor could one ever replicate the true sound of vinyl.

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