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Posted by amartinathome on Dec-07-2004 18:18:

quote:
Originally posted by djtrinity
i am totally opposite of that....if your a mobile dj that is what u do....if u specialize in trance or whatever u don't play house to to play to the crowd.....what u do is pass up the gig because there is no reason for u to be play'n there......why is this so hard to understand?

why would a trance dj play hip hop for a crowd?....its unfair to all involved to bring in a trance dj for a crowd that wants anything but that

Yes, I agree with you.

I'm not saying change your style of DJing. Let someone play the style that happens to be in demand that night. If the crowd wants a style other than what you play, then so be it. But don't go up there and ram your style in their face. Let some hip hop DJ do their thing.

Posted by UphoricNitemare on Dec-07-2004 18:43:

I'm sorry, but your just waiting for a disaster. Playing trance for people who don't like trance is a bad idea. I played trance at my birthday party, and as we all know, the scene is not huge in kentucky, especially central kentucky. Halfway through my set, everybody's like, can you play something else? You just can't force this kind of music on people. Oh and by the way, i guarantee you everybody is going to ask you to scratch for them. I played at a friends party (not a rave, but more like a college type party), and everyone did that to me. It was soooo annoying. I mean people automatically think that the point of those things are to scratch a record, which i for one don't even like. I don't like the way it sounds, and i don't think its fun.

If you want my advice, i'd say give in and play some hip-hop. And if you must play trance, i would go with some very poppy vocal sounding stuff, non "techno" people seem to like that the best in my experience. A lot of G&B, andain, that sort of thing

Posted by Hyoctane on Dec-07-2004 19:21:

I'm from Miami, so I have been exposed to pretty much the whole music revolution from Freestyle to booty to trance/house.

Based on experience( not like some of the other posts)... Spin remixes of stuff those types of people have listened to. Stay away from anything that has big breakdowns or climaxes(as stated in other posts). If you can scratch, that's a good idea with breakbeat.
There's tons of bootlegs and stuff of hip hop with breakbeat remixes. No cheese. Anything commerical(Tiesto, Van Buuren, Corsten, Van Dyke, Oakenfold) that they may have been exposed to is a good idea.

If they don't like the EDM at all, you can always switch to electro, booty, Miami Bass if you have any. Depends on how old they are. Anyone younger than 18 probably didnt' get into music until well after that stuff was gone.

I'm 25, I grew up in the middle of it's heyday.

Anyway, just have fun with it. If they don't like it, oh well.

Craig

Posted by snowman99 on Dec-07-2004 19:37:

Last night I saw Judge Jules play at a student club, the sort crappy of place where the dj cant shut up for more than a minute (literally), plays s club 7, and cant mix to save their life. So the audience wasnt exactly hardcore clubbers, more drunk students who are used to 60s/70s/80s cheese and pop/rnb. Personally I think the crowd reacted best to the crappy DJ playing stuff like Faithless City and other commercial dance anthems/cheese before and after Jules was on.

But Jules played a proper set, wasnt very hard, but not like anything poppy or pop remixy. Stuff like Freefall, that renato vs cohen one, and quite a few others I know but dont know the name. Crowd never really reacted though when something like that distintive sound of marco v - tings relooped came on, you know that unique sound, not like a trance crowd would have. Nothing too vocal. Seemed to work ok, for about 2/3 of it, but that might have been cos it was Jules. Last 1/3 was pretty quiet.

So I think if you have an up for it crowd (not the kind where the whole floor empties cos they dont like the song that much) and you dont hit banging trance straight away, you should be ok. Either that or an empty floor

Posted by mndeg on Dec-08-2004 03:48:

not the sandstorm!
just dont do any songs with high pitched synths
A.D.D. kids cant stand that stuff

Posted by Special_K on Dec-08-2004 04:16:

quote:
Originally posted by djtrinity
i am totally opposite of that....if your a mobile dj that is what u do....if u specialize in trance or whatever u don't play house to to play to the crowd.....what u do is pass up the gig because there is no reason for u to be play'n there......why is this so hard to understand?

why would a trance dj play hip hop for a crowd?....its unfair to all involved to bring in a trance dj for a crowd that wants anything but that

Whew.....FINALLY, Someone gets it.

Ive been playing out for a pretty long time, i NEVER comprimise my style, whats the point?

IF someone wants me to play at a place that isnt going to have a crowd that is into my style i turn the gig down....its that simple. I just assumed all genre specific DJ's were like that....guess i was wrong.

Posted by DJ Dinz on Dec-08-2004 08:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Special_K
are you fucking joking? dude if you play any hands in the air euro cheese vocal shit you are ganna get your ass kicked. its been said before, shitty whiny euro whore vocals would piss me of let alone a bunch of asshole hip-hop junkies who have never heard of trance before.

Dude... TRUE! no fuckin joke... They love it but andain only... when comes to agnelli nelson, oceanlab, AVB... they run away & feel like whackin you up..

when u come to Groove Coverage, Cascada, Future Trance United or any cheese trance vocal they love it...
Enimem's song remix by Drunken Monkey... USher's Yeah remix by Drunken Monkey... B1c - Naughty Sexy Bitchy... Pulsedriver - Slammin ALL WORKS DUDE, believe me!

So what u call that type of trance.. sorry if i say it as Vocal Trance.. cause i dont really know what u guys call this trance... Trance sound like Hard Trance but with different vocal not like AVB,Motorcycle n etc type....

When u ask why it is totally unfair? Because i spin in land with clubbers that just know that Trance exist... most clubbers are HipHop, Progressive House, Tribal & Crap Trance lovers.. in every club...this people mix together...

Posted by Gunyouken on Dec-08-2004 10:57:

I would have just gone the hard trance/house route. Tidy traxx, jens- loops and tings, kai tracid, etc.

None of this starting with breaks into vocal trance, into darude sandstorm nonsence. I think non trance people generally respond better to the hard route.

Posted by UphoricNitemare on Dec-08-2004 16:19:

i would definately stay away from anything too repetitive like house though. "non-techno" people generally don't like EDM because they think its too repetitive. Even though this rock type stuff is more repetitive, but the vocals are emphasized a lot more than the music. The music just hide behind the vocals. Thats why i say go with some vocal stuff.

Posted by onceler on Dec-08-2004 18:30:

When is/was this dance? I am interrested to hear the outcome of it.

Posted by emperorhui on Dec-08-2004 18:40:

It's Saturday night. Gives me a bit of time to think about it. I'll figure somethin out. Thanks for the advice. I'll post the outcome when I'm through [and my tracklist if I remember it]

Posted by DJ_Ikronix on Dec-08-2004 18:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Special_K
i NEVER comprimise my style, whats the point?

If you want to avoid any semblence of versatility as a DJ, then I can see your point. It's great that you don't want to compromise your style, but until people pay to see YOU, rather than pay to hear their music or to hear the music that will make women bump and grind, you're limiting your market.

And what happens when a dumbass promoter books you as a trance DJ? Not that he's a dumbass for booking you, but because in his mind, trance = house = techno, and he what he's REALLY looking for is a funky house DJ! Say "Haha, sucker, I have a contract BITCH!" and play prog trance and chill breaks? You're A.) going to be incompetent in the mind of the promoter for having a dead dancefloor, B.) going to be incompetent in the minds of anyone the promoter talks to, REGARDLESS of how good your set actually is.

If you get put in a situation where the crowd just doesn't want to hear "your style," and you play it anyways, YOU are going to get the brunt of the blame, and it's YOUR name that will take a hit.

Posted by Gunyouken on Dec-08-2004 19:04:

Posted by Special_K on Dec-08-2004 19:40:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Ikronix
If you want to avoid any semblence of versatility as a DJ, then I can see your point. It's great that you don't want to compromise your style, but until people pay to see YOU, rather than pay to hear their music or to hear the music that will make women bump and grind, you're limiting your market.

And what happens when a dumbass promoter books you as a trance DJ? Not that he's a dumbass for booking you, but because in his mind, trance = house = techno, and he what he's REALLY looking for is a funky house DJ! Say "Haha, sucker, I have a contract BITCH!" and play prog trance and chill breaks? You're A.) going to be incompetent in the mind of the promoter for having a dead dancefloor, B.) going to be incompetent in the minds of anyone the promoter talks to, REGARDLESS of how good your set actually is.

If you get put in a situation where the crowd just doesn't want to hear "your style," and you play it anyways, YOU are going to get the brunt of the blame, and it's YOUR name that will take a hit.

Ok well first of all i get payed gigs on a regular basis and i have been involved in promotion in Vancouver for over 5 years so imnot just talking out of my ass. When your at the point where promoters are paying you to play at a gig You will know what style they are promoting at their nights. I could get aproached by almost any promoter in the city and i would have a general idea of what kind of music their night plays. And to be honest if a "Dumbass promoter" came up to me and didnt know the diffrence between trance and funky house then their night is going to be so pissant that i wouldnt play anyway. With how competetive electronica nights are in Vancouver a promoter like that wouldnt be able to hold onto his night for more then a month.

Another thing, I dont know a single successful DJ here that has the versatility to genre jump to the extremes that your talking about. Thats just stupid. If I play progressive house, why the fuck would i be buying trance records? dosnt make any sense. i mean unless im a fucking hack playing ripped mp3's.

And why the hell would a promoter hire you without hearing what you play. I mean if hes looking for funky house, and my cd is prog house, he wouldnt book me anyway, unless he thinks that MY sound will go over well, in that case your good to go. Blind bookings dont happen.

If you play trance and you accept a booking to play a hip-hop night you're a fucking idiot. this original post isnt THAT bad cause its a highschool dance and your ganna have your friends around so you coulsd pull it off.

Posted by Special_K on Dec-08-2004 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Gunyouken

Why make yourself a name as a Dj for a genre that you don't like??

another good point, I play prog house, my demo cd's are prog house, I want prog house booking, why would i want a name as a trance dj?

Posted by Zild on Dec-09-2004 02:04:

There are many DJs and Producers that don't limit themselves to a single style. Just because you don't know them doesn't mean they aren't out there.

Posted by Derivative on Dec-09-2004 05:26:

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And why the hell would a promoter hire you without hearing what you play. I mean if hes looking for funky house, and my cd is prog house, he wouldnt book me anyway, unless he thinks that MY sound will go over well, in that case your good to go. Blind bookings dont happen.

the 2 DJs i know that managed to play out in southampton never had to make demo cds to get the job. nobody gives a shit about demo cds. its not like someone is gonna sit down and listen to more than 10 seconds of it let alone the whole thing when they probably get inundated with them. if they listen to yours you can consider yourself lucky. round here it'll end up in the trash whether its good or not. they got the job because they have mates that organise skitz and various other underground events around southampton. both even admit as much. 1 of em, plays mostly hard house but he can spin and has an extensive collection of trance and hard trance too. the other one is mostly a drum and bass DJ but he spins breakbeat (slower) freeform and hardcore aswell since its about the same speed as drum and bass. thats quite a variety. hes pretty damn good too. no nonsense mixing though.

Posted by Special_K on Dec-09-2004 05:35:

man i wasnt saying that you get gigs besed on demo cd's. I am well aware that getting a booking is 90% who you know. All i was saying is that chances are someone who is ganna book you has heard you at some point weather it be live or through a cd.

OK and just to clarify....when i talk about "genre hopping" im not talking about somthing like hardhouse to hard trance.....those 2 genres can easily go hand in hand. im talking about an example like the one Ikronix gave, the "chill breaks and funky house" one.

Posted by Derivative on Dec-09-2004 15:49:

uhhh what about the other one? theres a big difference between breakbeat, drum and bass, freeform and hardcore and its not just to do with the average bpm. ive heard him spin freeform out of drum and bass and breakbeat out of that. its a weird combo though that doesnt always sit well with some audiences. freeform isnt very popular round here.

Posted by DjArTiN! on Dec-09-2004 17:18:

ya i agree with that other person who posted this, play sandstorm by darude. I guarentee that people will be dancing. I once djed my school dance and all they listened to was rap. But, during the middle I put sandstorm and everyone went straight to the dance floor. It looked like a rave. But I don't recommend playing 2 trance tracks. Just put that and that will be all. Then people will get bored and pissed off. Hope it goes well.

-Artin

Posted by Ariah on Dec-09-2004 20:18:

you will probably be well off with scooter's ramp the logical song (club mix) as well. for some reason all my edm hating friends seems to dig that one

Posted by djxtension on Dec-09-2004 20:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Ariah
you will probably be well off with scooter's ramp the logical song (club mix) as well. for some reason all my edm hating friends seems to dig that one

Scooter always works for a non-EDM crowd. And ofcourse: DJ Sammeeehhh - Heaven...

I still say that playing trance for a crowd that doesn't like it is a bad idea.

Posted by dj_aria on Dec-09-2004 21:15:

The only type i would ever play for a non-edm type crowd that doesnt like the cheesy euro-singing stuff would be things like hardtrance,because at points they do have points in the music where it soudns like rap and stuff like that. Darude is basically as popular as you can go with a rap crowd...cause tahts all they hear on games they play like dance dance revolution. Yet people play taht and theres the most CHEESIEST BS I HAVE EVER HEARD and they seem to like that. So hard trance would be my pick, but thats just my school. Prob like 80% of my school knows that i play hard trance and ive played at a dance they actually reacted very well. But thats my chool

Posted by Derivative on Dec-10-2004 00:00:

i find that people who dont normally like trance still go for the iconic, late 90s stuff. for one, its recognisable (at least over here in britain). matt darey - liberation. atb - 9 pm (till i come). lucid - i cant help myself, push - universal nation (push remix). scooter has a bad rep over here cuz of the happy hardcore. doesnt seem to go down well. the more obscure and specialized you get, the harder i think it will be for a crowd that doesnt normally like this music, to find something they can relate to in it. even though im not partial to hip hop, if i can recognise a track i tend to get more into it, if only cuz i know how it builds and when it kicks off and kicks back in. just means people can dance to it with some confidence and a dancefloor full of people kicking off can often save a night even if the music isnt much liked. better atmosphere too.

point is, ive been to quite a few nights where i didnt really like the music but it was fun anyway because everyone had the express intention of making it good. i can go to events where i love the music but if the floor is empty, im not gonna be confident about getting up and dancing and the event will degenerate into an uncomfortable borefest.

Posted by DjArTiN! on Dec-10-2004 00:46:

IMO, just play one trance track for them, like the one I recommended, sandstorm by darude, and then get back to playing rap. If you start playing trance a lot through the dance, you will have a bad reputation after it. When people consider you for djing at their party some guy will tell them that you only spin trance, then you wouldn't dj parties and dances because of your reputation. Just play one trance track and go straight back to playing rap again. You will at least introduce trance music to those who don't know about it.

-Artin

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