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Originally posted by Cobalt "American Progressive" is a better name. Describing something as "American" already has a pejorative connotation of something mass-produced with poor emphasis on quality, appealing to the lowest denominator. American news, American cars, American cheese, etc. In addition to this negative flavor, "American progressive" is a neutral description of where the subgenre originated and has developed: In the United States. Gabriel & Dresden began the sound from San Francisco, and Markus Schulz brought it to Miami, where it has since become the dominant style. McProg is okay as a colloquial term, but American Progressive is better as a formal label.

x2, although there are many good genres with names of American cities in them

jason's more than two cents...

this is how i see this whole "mcprog" issue. back in 2002, james holden created a couple of songs that had this floaty, highly reverbed sound...the two tracks that come to mind as the first to use it were Sasha & Holden - Bloodlock...and Holden & Thompson - Nothing...

everyone loved this sound...it was new, fresh, dreamy...whatever...great stuff. everyone loved it so much...they decided to try and make similarly produced songs that had the same feel. Emerge people and things like Markus Schluz Coldharbour remixes, Ozgur Can, Probspot, any just about everything else that started getting sent GDJB's way. Most of the tunes that first started emerging sounded good...they copied that highly-reverbed sound well...but what happened???


IT GOT BEAT THE FUCK TO DEATH!

all these people enjoyed the reactions they were getting from these tunes...so they made more and more tunes with the same sound and eventually it stopped being a creative new sound. What everyone is tired of is rehashing the same bassline with a new stupid, half-thought through melody over the top. There have been a couple of highlights in it...tracks like Yilmaz Atahlan - Eighties...but for the most part it's just week after week..the same crap played back to back for an hour of two and it's really destroyed what started out as a great new sound.

and who's fault is it? well i blame the producers to a certain extent, but more the stupid idiots that hear every new tune every week and OMGOMG to death and go out to buy the records because you people are too stupid to recognize the fact that it is so over done and repetitive...

most of those producers are talented people....they just need to rethink what the hell they are doing.

i'll tell you right now...you wanna be the biggest dj/producer in the world? you ain't never gonna get were you wanna be without being more creative and more innovative then the other guy...and well...right now none of you are doing anything creative or innovative to seperate yourselves from a growing pack of mediocore producers.

you want proof? look at what james holden has been doing lately? everyone started doing this floatly sound he started and he has changed his sound...granted its not my personal favorite, but i'll give the man points for trying to be original and push the music foward.

i know most of you this will just glance over and think bla bla bla...who the fuck are you to tell me bla bla bla...you don't like it do it yourself..bla bla bla...

but for those of you one or two that might take a moment to rethink what you're doing and maybe try to do something a little different in the year to come...i'll be waiting to hear what great songs you come up with and pushing them when i like them...

this isn't about hating on members of the board...i'd much rather support the producers and dj's that we have here...but it's tough love...i'm trying to do you all a favor by pointing out what the hell you're all doing wrong...anyway...it won't matter...stupid producers and stupid people will continue to make and buy stupid records...do what you want...

end rant...

Yeah I was about to post that Marcus and gdjb and that dreamy sleepy prog sound was really hot not too long ago, but filler beat me to it.

I think the radio plays a large part in this, The party crowd and the radio crowd just listen to music in different ways. Every station in the country, and a shitload of them all over the world, they do the same thing with beating music to death. There isn't one station around me that doesnt play the same set of songs over and over again, I think when they do that it sorta forces the tracks to sell well because everyone remembers them. In turn anyone who wants to be a good musician gets to thinking that it takes having that certain sound.

Most of us arent your regular radio following crowd though, but we are a very small minority compared to the masses that depend on big radio to find music. We like to go out every weekend and have ppl blow our minds with space age music that we've never heard, we go looking for weird new unique sounds, trying to get a taste of everything before our ears stop working(at least I am anyway).

The party people want uniqueness, the rest of the population wants conformity, just the way life is. I was a Gabriel and Dresden whore last year myself, but I got tired of it and am having trouble finding a new sound to enjoy because people are still mostly mimicking that sound.

If you people dont like it, dont fukin listen to it. i love it and if you can find another sound, let us fukin know, or else stop complaining.

Markus needs to get hit by a truck, and have TigerClaw come to his rescue, and then TigerClaw get shot by some Mexicans, and the whole genre will die since Markus is dead, and TC will no longer stream.

I dont think TC is the streamer, only the messenger, the stations do the broadcasting and without TC TA would be full of kids posting questions about the shows.

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Originally posted by rooibos Markus needs to get hit by a truck, and have TigerClaw come to his rescue, and then TigerClaw get shot by some Mexicans, and the whole genre will die since Markus is dead, and TC will no longer stream.

I love McProg. If markus would play some more breaks I would be even happier.

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Originally posted by rooibos Markus needs to get hit by a truck, and have TigerClaw come to his rescue, and then TigerClaw get shot by some Mexicans, and the whole genre will die since Markus is dead, and TC will no longer stream.

ROFLMAO!

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Originally posted by smallSHEEP I love McProg. If markus would play some more breaks I would be even happier.

AHHHHH!!!!!!

thats like adding bacon to the BigMac!!!!

Imagine Markus starting to play Habersham!!

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Originally posted by rooibos Markus needs to get hit by a truck, and have TigerClaw come to his rescue, and then TigerClaw get shot by some Mexicans, and the whole genre will die since Markus is dead, and TC will no longer stream.

he'd probably miss his own funeral to post a thread to a show tho

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Originally posted by rooibos Markus needs to get hit by a truck, and have TigerClaw come to his rescue, and then TigerClaw get shot by some Mexicans, and the whole genre will die since Markus is dead, and TC will no longer stream.

It's things like this that made me miss aplz posts.

Already posted in COR, but I thought it would fit here.

^ WTF is Holden doing there inside the huge McProg Burger? Don't tell me people actually think that even Holden is cheese...

Yes. It just wasnt complete without Holden. I mean, you have Perry as the seeds, TigerClaw the olive, Ozgur/Armin the lettuce, onion, and tomatoe, and Markus the big juicy thick burger. Holden is the salt and pepper.

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Originally posted by Jasperovitsj ^ WTF is Holden doing there inside the huge McProg Burger? Don't tell me people actually think that even Holden is cheese...

he should be in there for that haircut.. fortunately I think he's grown it longer now

quote:

Originally posted by Cobalt "American Progressive" is a better name. Describing something as "American" already has a pejorative connotation of something mass-produced with poor emphasis on quality, appealing to the lowest denominator. American news, American cars, American cheese, etc. In addition to this negative flavor, "American progressive" is a neutral description of where the subgenre originated and has developed: In the United States. Gabriel & Dresden began the sound from San Francisco, and Markus Schulz brought it to Miami, where it has since become the dominant style. McProg is okay as a colloquial term, but American Progressive is better as a formal label.

tell me...why is it that you must use your pathetic rhetoric in your shit posts

If that wasn't grossly exaggerated, then it might be true. 50 weeks? No.

The threads bitching about cookie cutter trance and McProg all suck. Why bother? That's time better spent getting a real McD's meal. Not that anyone would want one - but it's still time better spent.

werd up G

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Originally posted by brian That's time better spent getting a real McD's meal. Not that anyone would want one - but it's still time better spent.

i can go for a McD meal right about now

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred i can go for a McD meal right about now

me too, namely the mcnuggets with BBQ sauce.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller

word.

I'd use that as my fucking sig if it wasn't so long (and didn't contain so few cuss-words ).

I mean, really, when will you fucking stupid morons realise that GDJB/ASOT is CRAP? Jeez. Fucking losers... I wanna kick their heads in!

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Originally posted by Ory I mean, really, when will you fucking stupid morons realise that GDJB/ASOT is CRAP?

The same day that all the other "fucking stupid morons" stop bitching and moaning about ASOT/GDJB (read: never).

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare tell me...why is it that you must use your pathetic rhetoric in your shit posts

Thank you for your compelling and thoughtful contribution.

Just as aside, I don't hold any particular antipathy to things American. After all, I live here and have a certain amount of respect for my nation. Nor are American goods substandard by default. It's just a popular generalization that applies well to the subgenre of music we're talking about.

hey peepps music is all about joy stop talking about stupid "term-nology" for music and artists.

Playing devil's advocate for a little bit, McProg isnt the only sound that everybody emulates and beats to death and grows fluffy and hated.


There is an endless list of people canning that sasha and diggers sound at the moment. You can't say that most prog is any more original than McProg these days. Alot of people are hero-worshiping these dudes and think its ok to copy everything they play.

Everyone ant their mother is trying to either sound like involver or ASOT, whatevery sound you are trying to copy, its still a ripoff and is bound to get stale if it happens too much.

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