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Originally posted by zig surprised at you yoepus..not knowing the italians were allied to the nazis..there are many famous photographs and film of mussolini and hitler giving the nazi salute together in italy

Who said I didn't know?

I'm making a point here which should hopefully bring you to question your thinking, as it is inconsistant...

Because 'Italy' was allied with Germany it is ok to invade them even though they never attacked America?

Why did the USA attack Italy?

Mouslini never attacked the world.
Mouslini never killed near as many innocent people or as many dictators as Hitler.
Mouslini wasn't a threat to the world.

Iraq was an ally of Germany, how come the USA never attacked Iraq in WWII?

Iraq, Iran, and Syria are heavily allied with terrorist, we have a war on terror. Why isn't it ok to go to war with them?

well yoepus maybe your post should have had more clarity..as i dont think im the first one to correct you on this thread..as for my being inconsistant..the first post on this thread i posted was to correct your assertion that italy were an innocent victim somehow in ww2..and my second post(this one)seems to have to be about correcting my supposed inconsistency in this thread..confused,,i am..maybe i can acquire the power of mind reading or something..beyond the subliminal messages in your posts

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Originally posted by Yoepus Why did the USA attack Italy?

First of all, when the USA attacked Italy, the world was at war (hence World War II).
Secondly, this was probably a much wiser plan of attack then to strike germany head on.


If Iraq was a necessary attack in order to reach a bigger threat (for example if Iran was attacking another country), then it would make some sense, but this was not the case.

If the US hadn't attacked Italy, europe would have been f*cked by Hitler, it was necessary.
Iraq would not have done the same if Saddam was still their leader.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Who said I didn't know? I'm making a point here which should hopefully bring you to question your thinking, as it is inconsistant... Because 'Italy' was allied with Germany it is ok to invade them even though they never attacked America?

well, if saddam and osama were allied, it would have made sense to invade iraq, as it made sense to invade afganistan. Now that is not the case and it doesnt make any sense.

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Why did the USA attack Italy? Mouslini never attacked the world.

he were allied with someone who did.

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Mouslini never killed near as many innocent people or as many dictators as Hitler.

true, i dont think it would have been a justified reason to invade italy at the time if it was only for his "harsh dictatorship".

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Mouslini wasn't a threat to the world.

He was, together with hitler. Go read some history dude

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Iraq was an ally of Germany, how come the USA never attacked Iraq in WWII?

obviously the US wanted to go for germans stronghold - europe. If the allied forces could take germany, most of the problems would be gone. It would have been stupid to put forces into wars with every country allied with germany when it was germany itself that was the main reason for the war.

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Iraq, Iran, and Syria are heavily allied with terrorist, we have a war on terror. Why isn't it ok to go to war with them?

well, it might make sense, but thats basically the same as saying that Al quaida went to war on the american imperialism, so it makes sense for them to attack New York? Does that give them any right whatsoever to do that tho?

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer First of all, when the USA attacked Italy, the world was at war (hence World War II). Secondly, this was probably a much wiser plan of attack then to strike germany head on.

The world was at war before the USA attacked Iraq too (global war on terrorism). The government of the United States has repeatedly made it clear that attacking Saddam was necessary in the war on terrorism. If this was a "much wiser plan of attack" then to invade every nation with a terrorist cell no one knows for certain yet and history will only tell.

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If Iraq was a necessary attack in order to reach a bigger threat (for example if Iran was attacking another country), then it would make some sense, but this was not the case.

Why was Italy necessary to get to Germany? Didn't history prove that the allies could get to Germany via France/Belgium?

According the USA government the attack on Iraq was necessary to prevent WMD from reaching the hands of terrorist. A bigger threat than simply a war against terrorist.

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If the US hadn't attacked Italy, europe would have been f*cked by Hitler, it was necessary.

We know that for certain? Italy possessed little military capabilities. If Germany did not rely so heavily on incapable Italian forces perhaps it would have done better throughout the war. Especially if Italy was a neutral country and thereby deined the Allies easy access to Germany via the South.

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Iraq would not have done the same if Saddam was still their leader.

I don't understand this statement... the same what?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well, if saddam and osama were allied, it would have made sense to invade iraq, as it made sense to invade afganistan. Now that is not the case and it doesnt make any sense.

Saddam an terror were clearly allied. I didn't know that the War on GLOBAL terrorism was a war limited to just one guy. I guess I was mistaken to believe that if we just kill Osama all the islamo-facist terrorist in the world will simply give up their arms and surrender.

So because Saddam was allied with other terrorist and not Osama it gives him a green ligh to support world-wide terror in the face of global peace and tranquility?

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he were allied with someone who did.

Likewise Saddam was allied with global terrorist. The USA is at war against global terrorist. Therefore the USA should be entitled to war against global terrorist allies, just like it was against Hitler's allies, no?

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He was, together with hitler. Go read some history dude

But Saddam was a threat to the world too

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obviously the US wanted to go for germans stronghold - europe.

And the USA wants to go for the terrorist's stronghold - Arabia.

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well, it might make sense, but thats basically the same as saying that Al quaida went to war on the american imperialism, so it makes sense for them to attack New York? Does that give them any right whatsoever to do that tho?

Yes, if you declare war you have the right to war.

In case you haven't noticed, terrorist don't use the traditional laws of nations to wage war, they don't 'officially' declare war on you, they don't have nation-states and armies, they don't have 'official' diplomatic alliances with other nations and parties, and they don't follow the prisoners of war convnetions, geneva, etc.

IF Al Q declared war on the West, it is 'entitled' to war on the West. If Germany declares war on Poland it is 'entitled' to war on Poland, even if this seems wrong, illegal, and unfair to us. All our morality or legislation will not prevent the terrorist or prevented the germans from carrying out their war on their targets.

What would prevent them from carrying out a war is declaring war in return (as the USA has done) against the terrorist. This entitles the USA to go to war agains the terrorist and all their supporters and allies.

Saddam had declared war numerous times (through words, much like Al Q did before Sept 11th, and not 'officially') on the USA.
Should the USA have waited until Saddam was actually successful in an attack on American soil before going to war in return?

The USA congress authorized the USA executive branch a decleration of war against global terrorist and their supporters. This gives the USA the 'right' to go to war against whoever it deems as a terrorist, a terrorist allie, or a terrorist supporter.

Amen, brother.

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