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Posted by Dupz on Dec-30-2004 12:16:

String theory, anti-matter, dark matter... man, this is too much for me to grasp all at once..

There was a documentary on SBS about a month or two ago on string theory.. I only caught the last 10 minutes of it, but yeah, it seems to be some interesting shit.. different dimensions n shit.. crazy stuff..

My question... What is the 'potential' practical implications of string theory, anti-matter and dark matter?? Are we going to be able to meet the worlds energy demands by capturing the power of non-mass energy particles (or whatever the fuck) and basically create energy from nothing..??? That would be awsome!!


Posted by Sevas Stra on Dec-30-2004 16:46:

Ant-matter, in the novel Angels and Deamons was around to prove that Genesis was possible. Because it creates something (matter) out of complete nothingness e'la vacumm. Supposedly you could use it as an energy source...yet, it's too unstable and we are very still in a very infant stage of exploring all the possibilities of science and physics.


Posted by Dj Tomer on Dec-30-2004 21:01:

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
Ant-matter, in the novel Angels and Deamons was around to prove that Genesis was possible. Because it creates something (matter) out of complete nothingness e'la vacumm. Supposedly you could use it as an energy source...yet, it's too unstable and we are very still in a very infant stage of exploring all the possibilities of science and physics.


Actually, dark matter and superstrings prove the big bang theory more then anything else.


Posted by Sevas Stra on Dec-30-2004 21:24:

thanks for your two cents. Big Bang is in one word a "Retarded" theory. Where the hell did the matter original come from? Or are you going to argue the continious process of a Big Bang Theory happening every couple of hundred Trillion years?


Posted by Dj Tomer on Dec-30-2004 21:42:

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
Big Bang is in one word a "Retarded" theory.


LMAO, the Big Bang theory is retarded? Genesis makes a lot more sense huh?

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
Where the hell did the matter original come from?


And how does the bible explain this? It was just magically created by god right?

Superstring theory says that our universe started out as a perfect 10 dimensional universe with nothing in it but energy. What was thought of as a Big Bang before is said to actually have been the point in time where (due to energy fluctuations) our 4 dimensions began expanding rapidly and the 6 other dimensions curled up and shrunk to their microscopic size, which is why they are undetectable.

Now, before anyone jumps up and says that this theory has 'undetectable' aspects to it, and how can I criticize the existence of God or whatnot, and accept this theory, it has been mathematically proven. So please don't bother pointing that one out.


Posted by Sevas Stra on Dec-30-2004 21:48:

are you retarded?!?!?! DO YOU KNOW HOW OLD THE BIG BANG THEORY IS AND HOW MANY NEW THEORIES INCLUDING THE STRING THEORY (WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BIG BANG THEORY) accumilated over the years and all of them mathematicly proven including the Anti-Matter. How about you explain that? If matter is proven to possible and probable made without an existant matter before that how doesn't that prove Genesis?


Posted by Dj Tomer on Dec-30-2004 22:00:

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
are you retarded?!?!?! DO YOU KNOW HOW OLD THE BIG BANG THEORY IS AND HOW MANY NEW THEORIES INCLUDING THE STRING THEORY (WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BIG BANG THEORY) accumilated over the years and all of them mathematicly proven including the Anti-Matter. How about you explain that? If matter is proven to possible and probable made without an existant matter before that how doesn't that prove Genesis?


Ok, first of all, maybe you should let go of the Caps and focus on your grammer so I could understand what "If matter is proven to possible and probable made without an existant matter before that" is supposed to mean.
Now, not being retarded, I will try and explain myself.
String theory is not directly related to big bang, but M-Theory (stands for membranes, if anyone cares) which is based on string theory explains how our universe, which is made up of superstrings, could have been created. This theory modifies the big bang theory and fixes the 1 main problem it had, which is as even you could have guessed, where did all the stuff come from?
So, if you had bothered to think a little bit about what my last post said, about the perfect 10 dimensional universe FULL OF ENERGY, and maybe even thought of the MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN formula E=mc^2, you'd realise that:
1. Energy and matter are the same thing.
2. There was A LOT of energy in the universe before the big bang.

So, energy became matter, and that's how the big bang could have actually happened.

This theory is still just a theory, obviously, but at least science is attempting to discover what really happened. So before you bash anything that goes against your beliefs, why don't you try and understand it a little bit?


Posted by Sunsnail on Dec-30-2004 22:15:

Yes, matter can appear out of nowhere, but here's the catch. For every atom that appears out of no where, an anti-matter particle appears with it, and thus it dissapears immediately since when matter and anti-matter collide, it disspears in energy.


Posted by dbb on Dec-30-2004 22:43:

I just read The Elegant Universe and The Fabric of the Cosmos, both by Brian Greene. These have to be the two most mind baffling books I've ever read. I'm in my last year in school, and it's kind of dissapointing that none of our physics textbooks even mentions String Theory.

Btw, The Elegant Universe is also a series on NOVA. You can stream all the episodes here. You get to see interviews with the pioneers of String Theory!

Cheers!


Posted by zig on Dec-31-2004 01:25:

matter cant appear out of nowhere..

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Yes, matter can appear out of nowhere,


Posted by Zild on Dec-31-2004 16:26:

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Originally posted by zig
matter cant appear out of nowhere..


Agreed, matter does definitely come out of "nowhere". Although, matter in a sense is energy at a very slow vibration.


Posted by Romain on Dec-31-2004 16:26:

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Originally posted by dbb
I'm in my last year in school, and it's kind of dissapointing that none of our physics textbooks even mentions String Theory.


same here, i've read quite a few physics books, that were very interesting... but in school i learnt/read almost only *boring* physics, that didn't really explain the basics of nature.

that theory is interesting indeed, might solve the mathematical problems and join all the natural phenomenon in one theory (that is an obsession).
about the Big Bang being retarded... wrong problem i guess.. only pushes the question a little farther... who/what made this piece of energy appear in the first place... we'll never figure out. But IMO that it is a real lack of humility to think that the thing/man/spirit that created that little piece of energy that allowed to create our Universe (and maybe others :\) might act on our little fates, on the little Earth...
Billions prayers praying for the apple to not fall, i bet whatever it will anyways..


Posted by Sevas Stra on Dec-31-2004 16:45:

There is a reason the String theory isn't mentioned all that much, it is here but only in advanced courses at NYC and such. Furthermore read more about anti-matter and how it proves creation of matter "out of nowhere" thus proving Genesis possible. Genesis is exectly that there was nothing and then there is something and no, you cretin, anti-matter doesn't just destroy matter that it creates the process is nothing even close to that.


Posted by Zild on Dec-31-2004 16:51:

You're right not too many physics classes go into super string theory. Usually only theoretical physics classes will touch on the topic. The majority of physics classes offered at any university will be classical physics, fluids, mechanics, magnetics, light. Stuff like that and you have to go through all of those classes before you can take the theoretical physics classes. They're only offered during the spring here at UT. Even the graduate program doesn't touch much on super string theory unless you your advisor is head of the theory department and that is a pretty tough research nut to crack. They accept about 8 students a year or so. Physics isn't necessary to understand the meaning of Genesis. Neither is going to a christian church.


Posted by Sevas Stra on Dec-31-2004 16:55:

I wasn't quiet referring to the anti-matter theory as a basis for Genesis per se (That was just something that came up at one of the interviews i read with CERN Board of Directors papers). Theories, specially of this aspect, aren't really thought in schools unless you take them as you said, as a special course.


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