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Originally posted by ShadoWolf How many wars has Israel fought against Arab invaders?

Wonder why that is?Maybe it is because they've occupied an ARAB country called Palestine?

All I can say is BAN NUKES period. NO country should use them at all. Even those that help build them were against their use. Even their reasoning behind using them at all in the first place previously has been questionable. (read the Franck Report)

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Originally posted by Endlesswave All I can say is BAN NUKES period. NO country should use them at all. Even those that help build them were against their use. Even their reasoning behind using them at all in the first place previously has been questionable. (read the Franck Report)

Sigh, if only it were that simple. The irony is that if we were to collectively impose an international ban on Nukes, the USA would be the first to say "fuck you, we're keeping our nukes". The big powerhouse nations are not willing to set the example. Everyones a realist.


Karim

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Originally posted by Cuzo Hey Iv, any chance Croatia might look for nukies?

heh, i wish, but no $$$, just beautiful women and beaches

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Originally posted by Endlesswave All I can say is BAN NUKES period. NO country should use them at all. Even those that help build them were against their use. Even their reasoning behind using them at all in the first place previously has been questionable. (read the Franck Report)

Werd!!


But at this day and age Having nukes gives you power and protection,and alot of these countries (especialy in the middle east) get them or want to have them for self defence reasons,and it is understandable in a way. ie,look at Iran they are almost surrounded by US military,having nukes sinply gives them a reason for not getting attacked.But many only think for the sake of Isreal and if it is threat to Isreal then it is a no no.they are terrorists and they cant have them

nooks are here 2 stay....
too much $$$/power involved

They're bargaining pieces, nothing more, nothing less.

Also if this turns into a debate about the Middle East I swear I'll turn this fucking car around and we're all going home.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Also if this turns into a debate about the Middle East I swear I'll turn this fucking car around and we're all going home.

hehe it is abit late for that


you can thank Jay for the lovely thread

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Originally posted by Endlesswave All I can say is BAN NUKES period. NO country should use them at all. Even those that help build them were against their use. Even their reasoning behind using them at all in the first place previously has been questionable. (read the Franck Report)

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD!!!!!Amen to that!!!!!!

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Originally posted by karim Sigh, if only it were that simple. The irony is that if we were to collectively impose an international ban on Nukes, the USA would be the first to say "fuck you, we're keeping our nukes". The big powerhouse nations are not willing to set the example. Karim

That right there is a BIG part of the problem here. These bigger and more powerful nations need to set an example and get rid of their own nukes and set an example instead of expecting everyone else to disarm and yet not disarming themselves which they should be doing if they expect any progress to be made.It has to be give and take type of co-operation instead of take and take on the more powerful nations part who want everyone to disarm and yet refuse to do it themselves and say that a bunch of other countries are so dangerous when they are just as dangerous themselves.

BAN ALL NUKES PERIOD!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by maxpain BAN ALL NUKES PERIOD!!!!!!!

no offence but, thats funny

Well in reality it is a little too late and deep into the process to fully ban all nukes and rid the world of them so I guess we are all potentially screwed at any time but what else is new since we are all gonna die one day anyway Ridding the world of all its nukes would be about as easy as ridding the world of all drugs

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Not to mention them crazy-ass Muslims.

With all due respect with your assumptions, etc., such generalisation is unnecessary. As someone mentioned before, its the extremists. And unfortunately, they are everywhere.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Wonder why that is?Maybe it is because they've occupied an ARAB country called Palestine?

Big fat red [x] for history.
Everyone knows that area was the Ottoman Empire (Turkish) before being carved up by the winners of WWI...
Guess they should won that war...

LEts get a couple of things straight first.

Egypt has no intention of buying nuclear weapons, or parts to start a nuclear program. The government is too closely tied with the US administration and has been so for years..it recieves the second biggest aid after isreal.

Saudi Arabia as a government would not require such illict way of getting nuclear weapons, if it wanted to start a nuclear program then it would simply go about it in normal ways, probably with US funding and support. Since they don't want to actually involve themselves in such matter and debate they simply choose not to go down that path. Oil, Gas and coal generators are alot more cheaper for them.


Syria is another situation altogether. There has always been alot of controversy and speculation about whether or not they have nuclear weapons.
THe fact of the matter remains that if Syria's government had nuclear weapons, or even a nuclear weapon program buried somewhere they would not puclicly declare it as IRan did not too long ago. But should they have nuclear weapons, they would have had it for a long time now, most certainly after the fall of the Soviet union but not long after. If Syria had nuclear weapons then they would have had it for the past 5-10 years.


Now for the debate,
I think it is riduculious to say that a specific country doesn't have the right to nuclear weapons. It would be nice and flowery if we could ban them all but lets face it that's not going to happen.

If you believe a third world country's possesion of nuclear weapons somehow make it more dangerous for humankind that is a bunch of bullshit. On the other hand if you are worried about the loss or theft of nuclear weapons in poorer conditions do note that third world countries by all means would have better security and survilance over such sites. If you're wondering why, then you would have to understand how their secret service and inteligence agencies work and how its different.

If Syria did have nuclear weapons, it wouldn't fall in the hands of terrorists, because one, its not in the government's interests, and two, it wouldn't sell it so easliy as it would have taken years to obtain.

And of course the weapon of choice in the middle east is biotoxins, and chemicals.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Not to mention them crazy-ass Muslims.

Enough with your damn generalizations already. Some of your posts are downright racist, homophobic and/or offensive. If I were a mod I would have banned your ass a long time ago.

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Originally posted by Nabs And of course the weapon of choice in the middle east is biotoxins, and chemicals.

Nope.

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Originally posted by Rocco "Egypt" has no nukes. When u are adressing Egypt as the government/military, then no, "Egypt" does not own any WMDs. Terrorist organizations and muslim extreemist groups that are NOT controled by the government nor do they represent "Egypt" officially may or may not have those nukes. Out of all people Jay, i thought u were politically correct. Otherwise, please shut the FUCK up... and thank you.

Im NOT politically correct. And from what i was watching last night. Egypt the country (political) is likely to now have nukes.

Sorry if that fact offends certain egyptians out there but the possiblilty that any country may have them is bad news.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer hehe it is abit late for that you can thank Jay for the lovely thread

Too bad it has degenerated into that.

I dont care if its egypt of australia that may have nukes. Prolifiration is a bad thing no matter wwho has them.

Thats why I strongly believe that there will be someone with an itchy triggered finger & press the button.I think that there will be a nuclear blast within our lifetime

I don't think Israel or it's neighbors can use NW on each other. wouldn't either side get affected also, being too close too each other? (doesn't have to be direct effect)

the nukes are strapped onto camels which fire em from the desert.

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Originally posted by Tordan Enough with your damn generalizations already. Some of your posts are downright racist, homophobic and/or offensive. If I were a mod I would have banned your ass a long time ago.

might I suggest our wonderful "ignore" feature? Thanks to him, I've finally used it myself

I've given up trying to debate that fool and have had enough of reading his racist and anti-gay remarks.

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Originally posted by MarkT anti-gay remarks.

Libel.

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Originally posted by bass drive I don't think Israel or it's neighbors can use NW on each other. wouldn't either side get affected also, being too close too each other? (doesn't have to be direct effect)

That's exactly right. However, just as a suicide bomber doesn't mind dying for Islam, a few million Muslim lives are irrelavant compared to getting rid of Israel in their mind.

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