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Originally posted by djlithium You are obviously in a dark hole somewhere. I am not some "random" DJ.

I never claimed you were a random dj so stop reading in between the lines.


Btw I'll ask the question again:
And in what record labels name do you speak for?

Read the signature tag and I will "stop reading between the lines".

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Originally posted by djlithium Read the signature tag and I will "stop reading between the lines".

ah ok you arsehole let me enable sigs.


As a friendly reminder you're not going to get a lot peoples positive attention if you come in here all judgemental claiming to be exclusive bearer of all knowledge.


SO STFU.

www.mp3search.ru russian & american site

has a lot of Mp3's - 10 cents a song. I;ve downloaded a good amount from that site cause I couldnt find alot of it on KaZaa, Limewire, DC++

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Originally posted by Elujin www.mp3search.ru russian & american site has a lot of Mp3's - 10 cents a song. I;ve downloaded a good amount from that site cause I couldnt find alot of it on KaZaa, Limewire, DC++

is that a legal download site? i mean, do those 10 cents in any way support the artists?

I never thought of that. Ok, so instead of the *usally* buying Vinyl from a Website you can buy Digitally High MP3's from websites pay for it then download it.

Can we get someone nice to compile a list in one post. I think I am going to check that out seeing as How I buying final scratch.

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Originally posted by Inertia is that a legal download site? i mean, do those 10 cents in any way support the artists?

illegal.

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Originally posted by Dj Spiel I never thought of that. Ok, so instead of the *usally* buying Vinyl from a Website you can buy Digitally High MP3's from websites pay for it then download it. Can we get someone nice to compile a list in one post. I think I am going to check that out seeing as How I buying final scratch.

Blah, final hack.

Ask yourself this... In what situation have you ever seen anyone except for one of the guys sponsored by FS/Stanton actually walk into a party and plug in?? It's never happened at any of the events we have played at or seen anywhere else, so do you think you are going to be able to go out and play at these places hauling your laptop and scratch box with you unless you put it in place before hand??

Just play records. If you don't like paying those prices? discourage people from buying digital and mixing that way as it kills things. The more records out there that are good that you by, the more stable the price will be and even go down.
Hell we probably have some of the highest costs on our manufacturing and they are still 11 bucks canadian at djmr.com.
Also when shopping look for tracks not from these "major big name people". I have found that some of the best stuff that is going to be more exclusive because of limited runs and no digital or cd singles available can be priced as low as 9.00 CND here at the main shops.
It just takes some patience and some originality. You don't want to be playing the same stuff the guy before you did do you?

OMG, Lithium, you are a jackass.

First off, many digital download sites have songs that aren't even signed yet, and if they are for the most case they are through the record label that releases them on vinyl.

Secondly, if you haven't realised it yet, CD's are the future. They're smaller, hold more, and very much cheaper. Wait a couple of years before vinyl is a thing of the past. You can be a vinyl advocate for the rest of your life, but that's your bank account, and your ignorance that's paying for it.

Third and lastly, if digital downloading is going to put record labels out of business there wouldn't be labels producing MP3's for download in the first place. Hell, I-Tunes wouldn't even exist. For what I see, they're probably making a shitload more money through digital sites. You don't have to be a DJ to buy an MP3 to play on your computer, but for the most part you must be a DJ or some kind of vinyl junkie to buy a record; ie: not everyone owns a turntable, but its a great chance a lot more people own a computer capable of playing MP3's(therefore a broader consumer base). There is also no production cost for downloads, except for minimal website costs.

So with all that said, you are being blind to the situation. Quit living in the past and join many in this forum as we look ahead to the future.

Out,

-Steve

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iTunes Music Store selling 5.5 million songs per week December 17, 2004 - 13:08 EST Piper Jaffray senior research analyst Gene Munster said Friday that based on Apple's announcement of 200 millions songs being downloaded from the iTunes Music Store so far, the company is selling approximately 5.5 millions songs per week, up from 3.5 to 4 million songs last quarter. Based on this run rate, Munster said in a research note to clients, he is expecting iTunes downloads in the December quarter to reach 68.5 million, up from his previous estimate of 52.1 million. He said that assuming 68.5 million iTunes downloads in the December quarter and 4 million iPod shipments, Apple would be averaging 7 iTunes song purchases per iPod. "If we apply this 7x ratio to our cumulative iPod installed base estimates through calendar year 2005, iTunes downloads for 2005 would be at 474 million vs. our current estimate of 256 million," Munster said. The analyst is also looking for iTunes revenue to account for 3 percent of Apple's total revenue in 2005.

http://www.macminute.com/2004/12/17/piper-jaffray/

I think after reading these stat's just for the iTunes section, you'll realise it's helping the industry.

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Originally posted by Steven Hays OMG, Lithium, you are a jackass. First off, many digital download sites have songs that aren't even signed yet, and if they are for the most case they are through the record label that releases them on vinyl. Secondly, if you haven't realised it yet, CD's are the future. They're smaller, hold more, and very much cheaper. Wait a couple of years before vinyl is a thing of the past. You can be a vinyl advocate for the rest of your life, but that's your bank account, and your ignorance that's paying for it. Third and lastly, if digital downloading is going to put record labels out of business there wouldn't be labels producing MP3's for download in the first place. Hell, I-Tunes wouldn't even exist. For what I see, they're probably making a shitload more money through digital sites. You don't have to be a DJ to buy an MP3 to play on your computer, but for the most part you must be a DJ or some kind of vinyl junkie to buy a record; ie: not everyone owns a turntable, but its a great chance a lot more people own a computer capable of playing MP3's(therefore a broader consumer base). There is also no production cost for downloads, except for minimal website costs. So with all that said, you are being blind to the situation. Quit living in the past and join many in this forum as we look ahead to the future. Out, -Steve

The future of what exactly Steven?? No one is looking past their noses with the exeption of vinyl DJs as to where digital mixing will lead for the future of dance music. I didn't say "don't provide digital downloads to non-djs".

When vinyl "dies" as you insist it will, you will find a repeat of what happened with disco in late 1979 and early 1980 and in then again with techno/acid house etc. in early to mid 90's when everyone and their dog/record label put out a mass amount of trash from anyone and everyone who could manage to throw something together in a studio - to try and cash in on the wave. That wave CRASHED.

Vinyl pressings are the ULTIMATE ACID TEST for a track. Yes it costs more per copy but it will certainly cost us all a lot less in the long term because the vinyl DJ and vinyl records provide a barrier to the flood gate of shite that comes from every 12-18 year old who "has been in the scene for almost 2 years and is now considered a verteran" with a copy of reason and abletonlive and expects to be worshipped like a god because someone downloaded their track - more often than not for free or illegally. I also have news for you.
Vinyl DJs like myself and internet radio station operators who put together the first trance and collectively underground dance music radio stations (myself included there as my station has been listed in the electronica genre section of iTunes since day one - how that happened I will explain later in my proposal to the underground dance music industry) exclusively online kicked started things all over again in late 1998. Now with the recent crash (again the result of people driven buy "cashing in") in mid-2002 has us scratching our heads going "what's next and will it survive or will dance music be killed for another 20 years at this level we had just experienced? and what will be the cause for it?"

YOUR IGNORANCE OF HISTORY AND INSTISTANCE OF VINYL DJs TO GET WITH THE TIMES will result in just that.

The people who continuously argue about price, convienience and 'weight of the records to carry to a gig' are completely inept and inexperienced in the business and or are essentially cheap ****s.
You don't value the culture obviously so then how do you value the music and the artists with attitudes like this?
Would it also shock you to find out that many so called "pro djs" who play on cds or mix digitally won't really consider anything unless its a promo from a label??THAT PRESSES VINYL!
Yup it would. Because you still have your heads in mp3.com land. I have MORE news for you. Many of the top mp3.com trance and house artists go NOWHERE through those systems and have now turned around and found it is better for their careers and the music as a whole to seek out vinyl record pressing deals and even if that only amounts to 1000 copies, the big ticket is compilation mixed disc releases from djs who will play those records and license them. But there is a barrier to that of course left over from old world music business practices. I will put foward a complete system to change this situation for the better and you will find that not only are you incredibly misinformed but also among a list of very shortsighted people who have contributed more in the form of damage to the dance culture as a whole while filling the pockets of technology companies that will cash in and cash out when the bottom falls out if you get your way.

One thing, I've been spinning for roughly over two years now, and whilst I have cd decks, I also started out using vinyl, and still do. My collection consists of nearly 600 vinyls, you do the math. That's well over $6,000.00 USD with shipping and the ever so rising price of a record; all while going to a University, all while living on my own, all while running my own business. You can't come over here and say people are cheap '****s' for buying MP3's/CD's. It's not cheap, its practical.

You say that PRO DJ's only use vinyls as promo's from record labels? Here's one quick example to disprove your theory:

Markus Schulz Top 10:

1. Hammer & Bennet- Language [CDR]
2. SW Presents Jagermaestro - Quarter Century [CDR]
3. Andrew Bennett - Ocean Drive (Probspot Remix) [EE]
4. Hydroid- Blue Tubes [CDR]
5. Sunquest - Summer Times (Michael Feihstel Increasing Blur Remix) [CDR]
6. Mike Foyle Present Statica - Space Guitar [CDR]
7. Ava Mea - In The End [CDR]
8. Ozgur Can - Connected (Santiago Nino Remix) [CDR]
9. Nick Thompson - Spice Fire [CDR]
10. Peter Mckowan - Trailer Park Boy [CDR]

And not only does Markus use CDR's from producers, but all top jocks do. Whether is be Sasha, Diggers, Oakenfold, Armin, or who have you.

You have still yet to disprove anything I have brought forth. I brought up non-dj's only to show that the music industry isn't hurting with MP3's. That's just the point, its not just concentrated on the DJ anymore. This is a business, and obviously a huge point in your reactions. Why would you get upset in a business standpoint if you could make more money, all while helping the industry more?

And about all the music that's coming from the 12-18 yr old pack. That is the future of music my friend. I don't see anything you are putting out to be on top selling list. You have no room to criticize other producers when you don't have anything of your own to back it up. These young producers and all producers currently are bombarding the scene with music. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BAD THING? You might get cookie cutter songs on occasion, but now there's more to choose from, more to pick out from the rest. It's only good for the scene not bad.

Once again, lose your pride for the 'everlasting vinyl' story. Say bye to them in the next year. Record labels will do without them and CD's/MP3's will flood the market and keep businesses striving. Your proud record label will fall with emergence of CD Decks and Abelton Live, and Final Scratch. Give it up man, vinyl won't be here much longer...and neither will you and your business if you don't get your head out of your ass...

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Originally posted by Steven Hays One thing, I've been spinning for roughly over two years now, and whilst I have cd decks, I also started out using vinyl, and still do. My collection consists of nearly 600 vinyls, you do the math. That's well over $6,000.00 USD with shipping and the ever so rising price of a record; all while going to a University, all while living on my own, all while running my own business. You can't come over here and say people are cheap '****s' for buying MP3's/CD's. It's not cheap, its practical. You say that PRO DJ's only use vinyls as promo's from record labels? Here's one quick example to disprove your theory: Markus Schulz Top 10: 1. Hammer & Bennet- Language [CDR] 2. SW Presents Jagermaestro - Quarter Century [CDR] 3. Andrew Bennett - Ocean Drive (Probspot Remix) [EE] 4. Hydroid- Blue Tubes [CDR] 5. Sunquest - Summer Times (Michael Feihstel Increasing Blur Remix) [CDR] 6. Mike Foyle Present Statica - Space Guitar [CDR] 7. Ava Mea - In The End [CDR] 8. Ozgur Can - Connected (Santiago Nino Remix) [CDR] 9. Nick Thompson - Spice Fire [CDR] 10. Peter Mckowan - Trailer Park Boy [CDR] And not only does Markus use CDR's from producers, but all top jocks do. Whether is be Sasha, Diggers, Oakenfold, Armin, or who have you. You have still yet to disprove anything I have brought forth. I brought up non-dj's only to show that the music industry isn't hurting with MP3's. That's just the point, its not just concentrated on the DJ anymore. This is a business, and obviously a huge point in your reactions. Why would you get upset in a business standpoint if you could make more money, all while helping the industry more? And about all the music that's coming from the 12-18 yr old pack. That is the future of music my friend. I don't see anything you are putting out to be on top selling list. You have no room to criticize other producers when you don't have anything of your own to back it up. These young producers and all producers currently are bombarding the scene with music. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BAD THING? You might get cookie cutter songs on occasion, but now there's more to choose from, more to pick out from the rest. It's only good for the scene not bad. Once again, lose your pride for the 'everlasting vinyl' story. Say bye to them in the next year. Record labels will do without them and CD's/MP3's will flood the market and keep businesses striving. Your proud record label will fall with emergence of CD Decks and Abelton Live, and Final Scratch. Give it up man, vinyl won't be here much longer...and neither will you and your business if you don't get your head out of your ass...

Totally Agree,

Almost every big DJ these days is playing more and more CDRs. It's just much more convenient. Think of how it this way. Let's say that Gabriel and Dresden finish a remix. They can send Markus the MP3 online, and he can burn it to a CDR and burn it that same day. Instead of what? Waiting at least a couple of weeks for the song to have promo copies pressed. So, CDRs allow the producers to get their songs out there to DJs quicker, and DJs can play the very newest stuff without having to wait.

stop with the bashing.

we all know the newest and hottest promos come out on cdr first. One of these days youll experience the day like i have when a record label manager (ie: yoshitoshi) will ask if you want some promos straight from the studio and they are all cdrs. You will never look at vinyl the same way.

I love vinyl no doubt, i really do, and i just bought a bunch a couple of days ago. But think. when a dj visits ur town, and ur opening lets say, u have ur own tracks he has his own, ur not gonna trade vinyl, ur gonna trade cds. its so much more convinient. i see what ur saying lithium, but u need to find a middle ground.

When a freind of mine came to spin in Peru, he gave me a cd with his tracks which were going to be released on vinyl soon, i was only in peru for that week, and he was only there for a day, but there was an opportunity to trade and connect, there was no way a vinyl exchange could happen in those circumstances. Is it wrong i have his tracks now? im not going to share them, and he wont share mine.. why is this bad?

So, if I buy hmm... let's say 8 Wonders - The Morning After (Thrillseekers Remix) [Somatic Sense] from beatport, do I have the same rights as anyone else who bought the vinyl?

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Originally posted by djsphere So, if I buy hmm... let's say 8 Wonders - The Morning After (Thrillseekers Remix) [Somatic Sense] from beatport, do I have the same rights as anyone else who bought the vinyl?

The answer is no. You are not permited to us them in a compilation mix. Read beat ports terms of use again and its in there. And no, this doesn't mean they are say you "can't sell them in a mix blah blah" you can use them period in a compilation mix, give away or otherwise.

And Steven, notice that these are all from LABELS if you read my post again before you will notice that all these "CD or CD-R" tracks are from vinyl pressing labels and they press vinyl almost immediately after or well before on whites to promote the full release, vinyl, CD-R or otherwise.

Take your "practical" arguments and think a bit further down the road.

And who cares what pro djs do? I certainly do not as I have heard a lot of these guys play live and frankly the suck some serious ass and that means they have lost the right to be called pro-djs when the local bedroom guys playing on vinyl can tear their heads off playing records and give the crowd the much needed energy needed but is missing in the performance of material off CD or a laptop. Besides, pro-djs are getting free promos anyway at their level. Record labels don't make money from sales to these guys, only from licensing deals having the tracks appear on their compilation mixed releases on CD at retail stores. But right now it seems all people are doing is "giving away mixes for free" << how does that help sales of the tracks or prove each track or DJs viability as a top notch performer if someone doesn't value it enough to slap down cold hard cash? can it be justified as being beneficial in promotions? Perhaps but only to a certain extent. All it does is further discount and devaule the music to a point where its no longer a viable business considering the costs for production.

BTW, Paul Oakenfold dropped one of our records over the summer at a gig in Calgary and while that was nice, the guy mixed so badly it was almost embarrassing - not for just our record, but for all the records and cds he played. But it got worse when he went to CD.

Are we seeing a pattern here yet?

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Originally posted by sym Totally Agree, Almost every big DJ these days is playing more and more CDRs. It's just much more convenient. Think of how it this way. Let's say that Gabriel and Dresden finish a remix. They can send Markus the MP3 online, and he can burn it to a CDR and burn it that same day. Instead of what? Waiting at least a couple of weeks for the song to have promo copies pressed. So, CDRs allow the producers to get their songs out there to DJs quicker, and DJs can play the very newest stuff without having to wait.

What's the rush? Every week approximately 400-500 new vinyl dance tracks are released. You are telling me you burn through that much material so fast that you need "more more more"?
I doubt it if you actually had the opportunity to listen to this stuff, and you do, order and get it shipped to your location in a few days. too bad you don't have a shop locally if thats the case but if you do, go down and go through the bins, if the selection sucks, then let the owner know and get him to show you the lists in advance of release for what is coming out from his wholesaler.

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Originally posted by Steven Hays One thing, I've been spinning for roughly over two years now, and whilst I have cd decks, I also started out using vinyl, and still do. My collection consists of nearly 600 vinyls, you do the math. That's well over $6,000.00 USD with shipping and the ever so rising price of a record; all while going to a University, all while living on my own, all while running my own business. You can't come over here and say people are cheap '****s' for buying MP3's/CD's. It's not cheap, its practical. You say that PRO DJ's only use vinyls as promo's from record labels? Here's one quick example to disprove your theory: Markus Schulz Top 10: 1. Hammer & Bennet- Language [CDR] 2. SW Presents Jagermaestro - Quarter Century [CDR] 3. Andrew Bennett - Ocean Drive (Probspot Remix) [EE] 4. Hydroid- Blue Tubes [CDR] 5. Sunquest - Summer Times (Michael Feihstel Increasing Blur Remix) [CDR] 6. Mike Foyle Present Statica - Space Guitar [CDR] 7. Ava Mea - In The End [CDR] 8. Ozgur Can - Connected (Santiago Nino Remix) [CDR] 9. Nick Thompson - Spice Fire [CDR] 10. Peter Mckowan - Trailer Park Boy [CDR] And not only does Markus use CDR's from producers, but all top jocks do. Whether is be Sasha, Diggers, Oakenfold, Armin, or who have you. You have still yet to disprove anything I have brought forth. I brought up non-dj's only to show that the music industry isn't hurting with MP3's. That's just the point, its not just concentrated on the DJ anymore. This is a business, and obviously a huge point in your reactions. Why would you get upset in a business standpoint if you could make more money, all while helping the industry more? And about all the music that's coming from the 12-18 yr old pack. That is the future of music my friend. I don't see anything you are putting out to be on top selling list. You have no room to criticize other producers when you don't have anything of your own to back it up. These young producers and all producers currently are bombarding the scene with music. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BAD THING? You might get cookie cutter songs on occasion, but now there's more to choose from, more to pick out from the rest. It's only good for the scene not bad. Once again, lose your pride for the 'everlasting vinyl' story. Say bye to them in the next year. Record labels will do without them and CD's/MP3's will flood the market and keep businesses striving. Your proud record label will fall with emergence of CD Decks and Abelton Live, and Final Scratch. Give it up man, vinyl won't be here much longer...and neither will you and your business if you don't get your head out of your ass...

Actually I have disproven all of it but you keep blinding yourself to the full post and only read the parts which seem to warrant a reply from a "cheap ****". That means you.
If anything Black Tiger Recordings will be expanding this year so again your BS about this whole argument has been tossed aside. As for labels like Nukleuz going down the tubes, well thats strictly a management issue, not sales. Vinyl is still outselling digital downloads and CDs by many factors and the people who play vinyl get book easier, paid to play and go further faster. Why? Because while it should be "about the music" it also helps if you can hold a mix for longer than 4 bars and give the crowd a show. Technics SL1200's are Katanas. CDDJ decks are pop(music)guns. What's more impressive to watch?

"And about all the music that's coming from the 12-18 yr old pack. That is the future of music my friend. I don't see anything you are putting out to be on top selling list. You have no room to criticize other producers when you don't have anything of your own to back it up. These young producers and all producers currently are bombarding the scene with music. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BAD THING? You might get cookie cutter songs on occasion, but now there's more to choose from, more to pick out from the rest. It's only good for the scene not bad."

Actually we have had all four of our BTR Vinyl releases hit the top ten for sales at djmr.com in the trance and progressive charts immediately on release. Go here http://www.djmr.com/scripts/categor...category=trance

Our 4th release - DJ Virgen - "Eyes of Innocence" entered this list at number one and stayed there for 2 months before dropping to number 5 and now number 8. Meanwhile other records from tiesto, filo and peri and gabriel and dresden have come and gone.

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Originally posted by djlithium "And about all the music that's coming from the 12-18 yr old pack. That is the future of music my friend. I don't see anything you are putting out to be on top selling list. You have no room to criticize other producers when you don't have anything of your own to back it up. These young producers and all producers currently are bombarding the scene with music. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BAD THING? You might get cookie cutter songs on occasion, but now there's more to choose from, more to pick out from the rest. It's only good for the scene not bad." Actually we have had all four of our BTR Vinyl releases hit the top ten for sales at djmr.com in the trance and progressive charts immediately on release. Go here http://www.djmr.com/scripts/categor...category=trance Our 4th release - DJ Virgen - "Eyes of Innocence" entered this list at number one and stayed there for 2 months before dropping to number 5 and now number 8. Meanwhile other records from tiesto, filo and peri and gabriel and dresden have come and gone.

Look, some of what you're saying makes sense. Other parts are just completely opinionated and unfortunately your opinion doesn't count for much right now. The reason being is that you just signed up for this, have never posted here before and then you bring all this wind about how you're right and everyone else is stupid.

You might have wanted to take a more diplomatic approach if you wanted any of your posts to be taken more seriously. I have never heard of you or your label before so by reputation alone you're not very impressive to me. Try building some rapport with people before blasting everyone.

Just some advice

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Originally posted by djlithium It will also contain a complete and detailed outline on changing the current "model" for how things are done allowing for greater creativity

How do pushing the release of dance music tracks only on vinyl allow for greater creativity?

If I have a track on CD, I can edit it to give it the sound and feel that I want when playing it out that night and then tweak it anytime I want in the future such that it fits my sets the way I want.

How does vinyl give me an equal amount of creativity?

PS - Why are you going into a tirade about the rights of usage for digital downloads in livesets when you are offering up downloads of live sets containing other artists work right on your website and asking money for copies of the sets? So you argue that "the big ticket is compilation mixed disc releases from djs who will play those records and license them" - so why would people go out and buy these "big-ticket" mixed compilations when people like you are offering mix CDs up for free download (or arguably charging for them without the artist's permission) on their website.

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Originally posted by djlithium Actually I have disproven all of it but you keep blinding yourself to the full post and only read the parts which seem to warrant a reply from a "cheap ****". That means you. If anything Black Tiger Recordings will be expanding this year so again your BS about this whole argument has been tossed aside. As for labels like Nukleuz going down the tubes, well thats strictly a management issue, not sales. Vinyl is still outselling digital downloads and CDs by many factors and the people who play vinyl get book easier, paid to play and go further faster. Why? Because while it should be "about the music" it also helps if you can hold a mix for longer than 4 bars and give the crowd a show. Technics SL1200's are Katanas. CDDJ decks are pop(music)guns. What's more impressive to watch?

You make some good points, but other things you say I don't agree with.

Explain how using vinyl equates to "being able to hold a mix for longer than 4 bars"? Vinyl doesn't make you a better DJ, just like using CD's doesn't make you a worse one. The only real reason why vinyl's are better is because it just looks cooler. And quite frankly, anybody who really knows whats up, shouldn't give a fuck.

Also, just because you claim some vinyl djs that switched to cd's, had their mixing turn to shit, doesn't mean that every dj who uses CD's, can't mix.

Look at J00F, he spins almost entirely from CDs these days, and has some good articles on digital downloads, and how he thinks DJing will evolve away from vinyl in the near future. And I can tell you, the man can mix and rock the house.

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Originally posted by djlithium Vinyl is still outselling digital downloads and CDs by many factors and the people who play vinyl get book easier, paid to play and go further faster. Why? Because while it should be "about the music" it also helps if you can hold a mix for longer than 4 bars and give the crowd a show. Technics SL1200's are Katanas. CDDJ decks are pop(music)guns. What's more impressive to watch?

you're actually implying that moving up in the small-name DJ ranks is dependant on skill... AND format. excuse me, but aside from this being quite far from the truth, it's also ridiculous. EVERYONE here who has tried to get a gig knows that while skill may help, connections are where it's at. that's why the best new talents remain undiscovered for the most part. then you imply vinyl is more impressive to watch, given your first statement was true, if it's just about the music, format should matter to no one, furthermore, in a hypothetical situation, how would a promoter be able to tell what the kid is playing on his promo mix CD?

you keep talking about CD DJs not being able to mix. if you've heard a CD DJ trainwrecking all over the place, i think it has absolutely nothing to do with their format. IMO, one of the smoothest mixers on this planet is Sasha. i saw him in December 2003 for instance, where he spun on both vinyl and CD, and was completely seamless. just because someone spins CDs doesn't mean they can't mix. on the contrary, i hear many people spinning only vinyl because they can't mix on CDs. i'm starting to get the feeling you are just peeved by CD decks... perhaps because you just can't get them down. "it's all about control", true, but if you need more control than the standard CD deck gives to just beatmatch a track (i mean, damn, if at least you were a turntablist) you may have a problem. today you have vinyl emulation, to cater to people that want such a thing. while many argue that it's not spot on vinyl emulation, it's quite close enough for beatmixing. you can tell me scratching on the things is shitty, and you need it because you're a turntablist, and i'll have to respect it, but when you say you can't mix well on a CD deck, it just means you don't know how to mix CDs. if you can't hold a mix for longer than 4 bars on a CD deck, then my friend, you just can't mix period.

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Originally posted by JM-8 PS - Why are you going into a tirade about the rights of usage for digital downloads in livesets when you are offering up downloads of live sets containing other artists work right on your website and asking money for copies of the sets? So you argue that "the big ticket is compilation mixed disc releases from djs who will play those records and license them" - so why would people go out and buy these "big-ticket" mixed compilations when people like you are offering mix CDs up for free download (or arguably charging for them without the artist's permission) on their website.

You stole my next rebuttle. There's also singles on his site for d/l as well, you have to pay, however, but still it's the same as all mp3 sites. Except this one offers more to pay for and for shittier songs.

And before you say it, YES I read the clause at the bottom about using them, but you can't expect people to buy songs and not use them for a functional use such a DJing.

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