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Posted by NYGblue on Jan-14-2005 05:17:

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
stop flying that fucking third world flag first of all, and PR have nothing to do with Mexicans it's like saying Dominicans and Hatians are the same.

actually thats not true, if I remember correctly there is a pretty big turf war between PR's and Mexicans...

And you're DAMN right Dominicans and Hatians aren't the same, even though that line is certainly being blurred.

Posted by Sevas Stra on Jan-14-2005 05:18:

ok you changed your flag so i could take you seriously now. What I meant was that PRs and Mexicans don't have to get along they are totally different people. Same thing with Ukranians and Russians for example. y'know?

Posted by Dunya on Jan-14-2005 13:21:

Re: US 'erodes' global human rights?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4171177.stm

the article really has a good point. US should deal with some of its own human rights problems to be taken more seriously.

exactly, they must democratize theirselves first before they are talking about other countries.

Posted by Dupz on Jan-14-2005 14:05:

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil
you are right! and while we are at it I say we don't spend a single cent on any other nation on this planet until we solve all our problems first!

You know what, i kinda agree with you.. The US is often too busy in other people's backyards to forget that their own country is running down the shitter.

Damn Washington makes me mad over this Guantanamo Bay shit. "Honour - Bound to Defend Freedom" they reckon.. I choke at the idiocy.

Oh well, my efforts arent going to change any american ideologies, so bugger it. It's good that there is such a thing as karma.

God damn it, America! fukn fix yourself!

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Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Jan-14-2005 14:11:

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Originally posted by x-filer
i am i racist or r u cuz u r a puerto rican. ur ppl...

You must get an A+ on every spelling exam you take...

Posted by Dunya on Jan-14-2005 14:32:

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
You must get an A+ on every spelling exam you take...

That's his SMS language

Posted by Sevas Stra on Jan-14-2005 16:54:

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Originally posted by Dupz
You know what, i kinda agree with you.. The US is often too busy in other people's backyards to forget that their own country is running down the shitter.

Damn Washington makes me mad over this Guantanamo Bay shit. "Honour - Bound to Defend Freedom" they reckon.. I choke at the idiocy.

Oh well, my efforts arent going to change any american ideologies, so bugger it. It's good that there is such a thing as karma.

God damn it, America! fukn fix yourself!

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you clearly have not one clue about what you're on about

Posted by x-filer on Jan-14-2005 17:02:

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
You must get an A+ on every spelling exam you take...
when you are on the fucking computer spelling does not count

Posted by x-filer on Jan-14-2005 17:04:

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
stop flying that fucking third world flag first of all, and PR have nothing to do with Mexicans it's like saying Dominicans and Hatians are the same.
What is wrong with fling a thirld world flag? The southerners wave their flag and it isnt even a country

Posted by Sevas Stra on Jan-14-2005 17:08:

Didn't i tell you to change it :P just kidding dude. Yeah the southerners are stupid but they server their purpose. That is, running motels and shit when i drive to florida.

Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-14-2005 22:22:

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil
What do you recommend? They have already yanked those responsible in the photos and are putting them on trial. Unless you are saying that the abuse orders came from his mouth.

an independent group to look into it as the article suggest sounds good i think... and you cant possibly say that the situation on guatmano is acceptable in a human rights perspective?

Posted by Dupz on Jan-15-2005 01:08:

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
you clearly have not one clue about what you're on about

whatever helps you sleep at night, love..

Posted by BadBadNeil on Jan-15-2005 01:46:

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Originally posted by St_Andrew
an independent group to look into it as the article suggest sounds good i think... and you cant possibly say that the situation on guatmano is acceptable in a human rights perspective?

well guantanamo was never supposed to be the Hilton. They are people who tried to intentionally kill american soldiers, who are terrorists, and oppressors and murderers of the afghan people. They have food, shelter, water, prayer time, neat orange outfits. Other than a lawyer what else are they missing?

Posted by Dupz on Jan-15-2005 02:17:

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil
well guantanamo was never supposed to be the Hilton. They are people who tried to intentionally kill american soldiers, who are terrorists, and oppressors and murderers of the afghan people. They have food, shelter, water, prayer time, neat orange outfits. Other than a lawyer what else are they missing?

what if orange isnt your favourite colour?

Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-15-2005 03:52:

Posted by zig on Jan-15-2005 04:26:

Posted by BadBadNeil on Jan-15-2005 04:57:

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Originally posted by St_Andrew
well except for a trial, its only the possible abuse thing that worries me... but oh well i guess those two are only minor things

Well do you judge every american soldier based on a few photos which really only showed under 10 people committing crimes? Abuse is bad, I agree, but to what extent is this supposed to be monitored? Maybe the red cross needs their own jail system.

I guess every iraqi is a terrorist because a few of them like to blow up cars and kill their own people.

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Originally posted by Dupz
what if orange isnt your favourite colour?

Your right. If I ran a prison my inmates would have rainbow outfits so no one could complain that their favorite color wasn't included. The world would love my sympathy.

I'm not sure what is ironic zig. When they take prisoners they torture them, put them on tv to beg in front of their families, threaten them, set unobtainable demands, use them for political purposes, and then cut their heads off by sawing very slowly with a dull knife while they scream with thier hands tied behind their backs to the point where the scream becomes a sound of gurgling blood mixed with puffs of air as their vocal cords are detached, yet you see their mouths moving in pain until their spinal cord is severed and blood pours onto the floor. Finally when the tough membranes and bones are cut only then the person dies, and their heads are held up and placed on their backs. I guess the orange jumpsuits are a bit ironic

Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-15-2005 05:21:

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Well do you judge every american soldier based on a few photos which really only showed under 10 people committing crimes? Abuse is bad, I agree, but to what extent is this supposed to be monitored? Maybe the red cross needs their own jail system.

I guess every iraqi is a terrorist because a few of them like to blow up cars and kill their own people.

where did i say that? what im trying to say is that there is several indications that this was NOT the only case of abuse, and it has been several reports from some of the released guatomano prisoners that abuse did happen in there. These reports are not taken seriously by the Bush administration, perhaps they know something that they want to hide, perhaps they just know that this is not happening, doesnt really matter, it gives the wrong signals to not take care of the problem.

Posted by wolverine16 on Jan-15-2005 05:25:

It all comes down to this, treat prisioners (whether or not you think they are protected by the Geneva Convetions) just as you would wish for Americans in custody to be treated.

Posted by BadBadNeil on Jan-15-2005 05:41:

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Originally posted by St_Andrew
where did i say that? what im trying to say is that there is several indications that this was NOT the only case of abuse, and it has been several reports from some of the released guatomano prisoners that abuse did happen in there. These reports are not taken seriously by the Bush administration, perhaps they know something that they want to hide, perhaps they just know that this is not happening, doesnt really matter, it gives the wrong signals to not take care of the problem.

I'm sure Bush knows something, I doubt he'd order anything himself however. You don't honestly expect him to go on the air and admit to knowing about it, do you? I don't think any world leader would incriminate himself. Leaders of country are shady folk and they know much more than we can probably possibly dream.

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It all comes down to this, treat prisioners (whether or not you think they are protected by the Geneva Convetions) just as you would wish for Americans in custody to be treated.

Should that apply when the enemy doesn't apply the same treatment to your own prisoners or when the enemy doesn't recognize the Geneva Conventions?

Posted by wolverine16 on Jan-15-2005 05:48:

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil

Should that apply when the enemy doesn't apply the same treatment to your own prisoners or when the enemy doesn't recognize the Geneva Conventions?

Yes, I couldn't have been more pissed off than when I saw the tape of Nick Berg being killed, or the several other people after him. I think those people are the scum of the earth for violating innocent people's lives, but we have to show we are the better people, because we are. If we treat them th same way, it will justify their actions. With treating them with respect while they degrade human life, it points out who's noble.

Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-15-2005 06:22:

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil
I'm sure Bush knows something, I doubt he'd order anything himself however. You don't honestly expect him to go on the air and admit to knowing about it, do you? I don't think any world leader would incriminate himself. Leaders of country are shady folk and they know much more than we can probably possibly dream.

well, it would make look good imo, that he dares to deal with the problems and be the strong leader he says he is

not even when the iraqi prisoner scandal was the biggest issue, he seemed to take it serious, that is soooo giving the wrong signals.

Posted by Dunya on Jan-15-2005 09:56:

All American soldiers are criminals, they invade a country without any reason. What did the Iraqie citizens (the people in abu graib) do to America to abuse them like dogs?(no one would do that to a dog except Americanes and zionists)And people in guatonomobay are innocent cuz the americanes arrested them in their country Afhanistan. Since when did america rule Afghanistan or Iraq?
And even then there is no proof that they did anything wrong (law).
And then they put them in jail for years

Posted by zig on Jan-15-2005 16:20:

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Originally posted by wolverine16
It all comes down to this, treat prisioners (whether or not you think they are protected by the Geneva Convetions) just as you would wish for Americans in custody to be treated.

Exactly my point.....Hence the irony involved

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