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Trance has lost no touch, just dig deeper.

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse Trance has lost no touch, just dig deeper.

Exactly what i was going to say.

There are plenty of good tracks still being produced, people just have to look past the "mainstream" trance DJs/producers and explore a little bit.

It has lost its fire do to the fact that it has been around for over a decade and the formula has always remained the same. As the fans mature, they like to hear something new and a bit more innovative. Due to this, the BPM slows down.. anthem synths go away.. real instruments are used (in some cases) and you have progressive genre that many people love to hate. My answer to everyone is to get into people like Sasha, Deep Dish, Sultan, Infusion, The Greek, Scumfrog, Rouzbeh Delavari, Sander K, Holden, Hybrid, Ozgur Can, Andy Moor, Probspot. I think those people make the highest quality music today.

Wow, lots of opinion differences, thanks for the help. Making much more sense now!

Now what could be a practical resolution? I understand someone said that all the record labels should work together, but that's as tough as achieving world peace, how can we stop this from the get-go?
Maybe a trance show, possibly a Tranceaddict radio show, endorsing newer producers and their new styles/sampling sets? Just a wild idea, what do you think

I see that the problem with trance is that the people that represented the sound that was big back in '99 (armin, ferry, tiesto, whoever) aren't putting in the effort to make something like they did back then.

There is a real lack of inspiration and emotion with alot of stuff at the moment, and there are alot of what could be seen as "sheep" following the shepards, but that will never change.

When people say that trance has evolved, i think alot of the time they are just denying the fact that trance has lost the "fun" that it had back the day.

I really do think that more producers should, as ian said, take a look back and pick out the strongest points of any track that was defined as "trance". Which is exactly what i tried to do with "autumn falls" and with the feedback ive had from people, it worked.

George

Most genres seems to have lost its touch lately. Trance, techno, prog... people are just repeating themselves. That's because everybody wants to be DJ friendly. DJ should never be the main part of a party. England, for example, needs more Underworlds, Chemical Brothers, Prodigies and Orbitals... and Aphex Twins, for that matter.

I'm sorry to get out of topic.. but..

WTF IS AMERICAN PROGRESSIVE??!?!

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Originally posted by trewqy I'm sorry to get out of topic.. but.. WTF IS AMERICAN PROGRESSIVE??!?!

I think you might be referring to the Miami-prog that Mr. Schulz has started... but maybe i'm wrong.

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Originally posted by trewqy I'm sorry to get out of topic.. but.. WTF IS AMERICAN PROGRESSIVE??!?!

"american progressive" = "mcprog". there was a zillion pages thread about "mcprog", search for it and you'll find all the answers, plus some entertainment.

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Originally posted by Lira That's because everybody wants to be DJ friendly. DJ should never be the main part of a party. England, for example, needs more Underworlds, Chemical Brothers, Prodigies and Orbitals... and Aphex Twins, for that matter.

agreed, that's clearly part of the problem, many people instead of trying to make music roughly as "good" as they can, they make it as "spinnable" as they can for a specific dj, or for their own sets.

Some people on this site might put it as it has matured.

I still think trance is good, but I have a bloody hard time hearing new trance these days, so I don't listen to it as much any more.

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Originally posted by mto Andy Moor, Probspot. I think those people make the highest quality music today.

Excuse me? Probspot is one of the artists who constantly gets ridiculed for not making quality music. He's part of the Armin/Markus crew.

And Andy Moor... Whiteroom. Need I say more?

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Originally posted by Ory Excuse me? Probspot is one of the artists who constantly gets ridiculed for not making quality music. He's part of the Armin/Markus crew. And Andy Moor

there music is rather formulaic. 32 bar intro filtered 8 bar build add kcik for 8 more then 32bars with full percussion then a little sparkley riff comes in for another 32. 16 bars off atmospheric breakdown 16 bar build up. 128 bars off riffadded during break. outro.

i do own blueberry and teh andy moor mix of find but lost theyre magic now.

trance is dead thread #114.

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Originally posted by Ory Excuse me? Probspot is one of the artists who constantly gets ridiculed for not making quality music. He's part of the Armin/Markus crew. And Andy Moor... Whiteroom. Need I say more?

Along with the artists that I listed ahead of those two, I consider them to make stuff that to me sounds pleasing. The two you pointed out made some tracks in the past year that really caught my ear, and while maybe not the most innovative of the other artists within my list, they sure are better than majority of the stuff I have heard in 2004 content wise. Also, I think Moor is much beter solo than within Whiteroom.

Trance has lost its touch because there is only so much you can make within the restrictions trance has on its type of music.
There's only so much you can do with that synthy sound before things get boring.

nah i wouldnt say so
I mean i suppose i dont get the same kind of feeling ever again that i got when i listened to Rank 1 - Airwave well maybe sex but i dunno i agree that some Trance is the same at the moment and some of it i wouldnt even call Trance, though there are some good tunes out there eg Endre - I Kill For You etc

I think someone new to it now would get the same feeling as you did when you discovered it 4 years ago

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Originally posted by Airscape nah i wouldnt say so I mean i suppose i dont get the same kind of feeling ever again that i got when i listened to Rank 1 - Airwave well maybe sex but i dunno i agree that some Trance is the same at the moment and some of it i wouldnt even call Trance, though there are some good tunes out there eg Endre - I Kill For You etc

Well I'm not saying that those tunes aren't bad.. they are classics. Pioneers of the genre. It's just that mostly everything put out nowadays has been heard before. For people just enlightened about the genre, I guess it would be as if trance hasn't lost its touch. But they haven't seen the progression trance has taken over the years the same way people who have been around have. I believe that is why people are always bringing up these threads. Because they have finally been around enough to see that trance HAS fallen from what it used to be. And they are worried.

trance isnt dead its alive and kicking.

psy trace has had a revival.
techy trance has got big.
the slower trance has got big aswell.

you have to wade through the shit though as theres more of it these days. youll never get back to the 1998 - 1999 days just like house music will never get its hacienda acid house days back.

Well, it seems that people like to think they have matured from trances cheesy melodies, to zabiela's cheesy effects, and "scratching" (if you want to call it that)

So now everybody thinks they are soooo 1337 and underground for liking a dj who is all the way underground at #11 on the dj poll (well 15 in 2004, 11 in 2003)

This is honestly very broad statement, but it does seem to me like people either like the tiesto/buuren/whatever, or they like zabiela.

Either way they have to realize that they are still mainstream cheeze lovers...theyve just switched from cheezy saws to cheezy fake scratches.

Now don't get me wrong, I love zabiela, but I dont think liking him gives you an excuse to bash people who still like the trance stuff...youre no better than them.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Well, it seems that people like to think they have matured from trances cheesy melodies, to zabiela's cheesy effects, and "scratching" (if you want to call it that) So now everybody thinks they are soooo 1337 and underground for liking a dj who is all the way underground at #11 on the dj poll (well 15 in 2004, 11 in 2003) This is honestly very broad statement, but it does seem to me like people either like the tiesto/buuren/whatever, or they like zabiela. Either way they have to realize that they are still mainstream cheeze lovers...theyve just switched from cheezy saws to cheezy fake scratches. Now don't get me wrong, I love zabiela, but I dont think liking him gives you an excuse to bash people who still like the trance stuff...youre no better than them.

Zab is my favorite DJ, but I listen to alot of techno too. Does that give me the right to bash people?

Ehh, he is good at mixing, and everything, it just bothers me how people think he is some underground prodigy, and that they are so deep into electronic music for liking him. He is great sure, he is a great mainstream dj...you arent 1337 and underground, you are not superior to tiesto fans.











































Plus I hate it when people go like OMG HE HAS WICKED MAD SCRATCHIN SKILLZ. They obviously dont even know what scratching is.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Plus I hate it when people go like OMG HE HAS WICKED MAD SCRATCHIN SKILLZ. They obviously dont even know what scratching is.

true

plus, he looks like a faget

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