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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yes I completely agree with that and there is no question about that. It's completely f*cking unfair and f*cked up. I never disagreed with that. BUT, that in no way implies disagreeing with or criticizing Israeli policy makes one anti-semetic.

It's one thing to disagree with the policy of the country. Another thing is to state that Israel should negotiate with Palestinians when they are firing missles.

How do you envision it?

Palestinians: "Take that Zionist bastards! here's a missle -- bang! here's a homocidal bomber! boom! Give us our land!"

Israel: "Um... yes, please - take it take it, just stop bombing!"

Palestinians: "Yea, not only we want our land, we want you to get the hell out of Jerusalem and all of the land! It is ours!"

Israel: "Sure, just give us a minute to pack up, will ya?"

Palestinians: "No, we keep firing until no one is left. Oh, and be sure to leave your forwarding address, so we know where to come to kick you out of next"


Is that how you envision it?

Look, we can argue till the cows come home but bottom line is:

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The Middle East war is not now and never was a conflict between Israelis/Jews on the one hand and Palestinians on the other. In fact, the Arab-"Palestinians", while currently the perpetrators of most of the anti-Jewish atrocities, were never a very important part of the conflict. In fact, before about 1970, virtually no one in the world considered the Middle East conflict to be one between Israelis and Palestinians. The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians." The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never had any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or in "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all basically Arabs!. The bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families who migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century. Palestinian nationalism is a mislabeling of Arab nationalism. Arab nationalism exists, although it is closely bound up with Islamic nationalism and even Islamism. Palestinian nationalism, however, is a phantom. It is nothing more than genocidal hatred of Jews! The Arab assaults and aggressions against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968, and 1973 had nothing to do with Palestinians. The Palestinian terror campaign would itself be easy to suppress today and eradicate if the Middle East conflict were really a Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israel would simply obliterate the terrorists and expel their supporters to Syria and Lebanon. The Middle East war continues because it is really an Arab-Israeli war, not an Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is also in large part a war between barbarism and civilization. In many ways an Islamic religious jihad against the Jews.

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Originally posted by h@x0r If not - she's not Jew, besides, she's already not a Jew - as copulating with a goyim is a violation of one of our commandments.

You embarrass me as a Jew. Why the hell do you post this in the first place? Looking for people to say something bad about Sharon so you can flame them for being Anti Semites?
You're a god damn joke if you really believe what is quoted above. I'm Jewish and I both don't like Sharon, nor care about the situation all that much.

God we need some more liberal Jews on this board.

If you're a palestinian, you're a nazi!

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer You embarrass me as a Jew. Why the hell do you post this in the first place? Looking for people to say something bad about Sharon so you can flame them for being Anti Semites? You're a god damn joke if you really believe what is quoted above. I'm Jewish and I both don't like Sharon, nor care about the situation all that much. God we need some more liberal Jews on this board.

Dude, you're the reason why Judaism is in trouble. As the saying goes, "You are the weakest link". Stop embarassing all the Jews by saying you're a Jew - YOU'RE A FUCKING GOY, a fucking poser. Calling yourself a Jew is disrespectful to millions of Jews that died, so that moron like you could actually live.

You're worse than the enemy - because its spineless liberals like you who become traitors and sell out the rest of Jews all over the world.

The only wise thing you could possibly do at this stage in time is - DON'T EVER REPRODUCE or convert to another religion if you're so ashamed to be a Jew! You are not worthy of even being called a Jew if the mitzvot mean nothing to you. Or do you go by the belief that there were only 10 Commandments?

I'm ashamed to know that if you're really a Jew and not some half-breed that you'd actually believe in what you're saying!

Here - spend some time here, get some knowledge before you venture back here to proclaim you're Jewish:


http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

and i thought this is gonna be yet another boring friday night

p.s. "goyim" is the plural of "goy".
at least make no grammar mistakes when using it.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant p.s. "goyim" is the plural of "goy". at least make no grammar mistakes when using it.

Ha! good catch Where's my Yiddish spell checker when I need it?

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Originally posted by h@x0r Where's my Yiddish spell checker when I need it?

you can get me for 2 bucks / translated word.
think about it.

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Originally posted by h@x0r Dude, you're the reason why Judaism is in trouble. As the saying goes, "You are the weakest link". Stop embarassing all the Jews by saying you're a Jew - YOU'RE A FUCKING GOY, a fucking poser. Calling yourself a Jew is disrespectful to millions of Jews that died, so that moron like you could actually live. You're worse than the enemy - because its spineless liberals like you who become traitors and sell out the rest of Jews all over the world. The only wise thing you could possibly do at this stage in time is - DON'T EVER REPRODUCE or convert to another religion if you're so ashamed to be a Jew! You are not worthy of even being called a Jew if the mitzvot mean nothing to you. Or do you go by the belief that there were only 10 Commandments? I'm ashamed to know that if you're really a Jew and not some half-breed that you'd actually believe in what you're saying! Here - spend some time here, get some knowledge before you venture back here to proclaim you're Jewish: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

That is extremely intolerant dude. Just because not every person of the Jewish religion holds the same values you do makes them any less important or less Jewish for that matter. Its a religion, people subscribe to it in the manner they chose to, don't forget that. Otherwise you start acting like Judaism is a race, which it isn't, and would in a way be giving some sort of odd justification to Hitler calling it so.

This is why there is so much division in the religion. You have the Orthodox and Hassidics telling the rest that they are worthless and not as Jewish because they don't suscribe to the militant like religious doctrine they espouse. Life just isn't that simple and frankly I don't think people died because of how hard they practiced Judaism, they died simply for being affiliated with that religion. Or even be sort of affiliated to it.

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Originally posted by h@x0r Calling yourself a Jew is disrespectful to millions of Jews that died, so that moron like you could actually live.

Considering that about half of my Mom's family and about 3/4 of my dad's family were all killed in the Holocaust, I'm pretty sure I have lost more family members than yourself, so don't throw that in to try and prove any points. It's bone headed rightwingers like you who make peace impossible in the Middle East. I bet you fucking celebrated when Rabin was assassinated. You know why I left Israel? To avoid pricks like you. Same reason why I turned to atheism. I was sorrounded by idiot Rabbis and Ultra Orthodoxes which made me sick to my stomach with they inability to change their views and bring some god damn progress to the region.

So you win, you're more Jewish then me, if that makes you feel better. But your fucking attitude makes me wanna start agreeing with Cyrus King and the rest.

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Originally posted by h@x0r Dude, you're the reason why Judaism is in trouble. As the saying goes, "You are the weakest link". Stop embarassing all the Jews by saying you're a Jew - YOU'RE A FUCKING GOY, a fucking poser. Calling yourself a Jew is disrespectful to millions of Jews that died, so that moron like you could actually live. You're worse than the enemy - because its spineless liberals like you who become traitors and sell out the rest of Jews all over the world. URL=http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm]http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm[/URL]

So what's your opinion on Jonathan Ben Artzi?

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Originally posted by h@x0r Dude, you're the reason why Judaism is in trouble. As the saying goes, "You are the weakest link". Stop embarassing all the Jews by saying you're a Jew - YOU'RE A FUCKING GOY, a fucking poser. Calling yourself a Jew is disrespectful to millions of Jews that died, so that moron like you could actually live. You're worse than the enemy - because its spineless liberals like you who become traitors and sell out the rest of Jews all over the world. The only wise thing you could possibly do at this stage in time is - DON'T EVER REPRODUCE or convert to another religion if you're so ashamed to be a Jew! You are not worthy of even being called a Jew if the mitzvot mean nothing to you. Or do you go by the belief that there were only 10 Commandments? I'm ashamed to know that if you're really a Jew and not some half-breed that you'd actually believe in what you're saying! Here - spend some time here, get some knowledge before you venture back here to proclaim you're Jewish: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

Really, if anyone's a disgrace to jewish people, it's idiots like you.

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer Considering that about half of my Mom's family and about 3/4 of my dad's family were all killed in the Holocaust, I'm pretty sure I have lost more family members than yourself, so don't throw that in to try and prove any points. It's bone headed rightwingers like you who make peace impossible in the Middle East. I bet you fucking celebrated when Rabin was assassinated. You know why I left Israel? To avoid pricks like you. Same reason why I turned to atheism. I was sorrounded by idiot Rabbis and Ultra Orthodoxes which made me sick to my stomach with they inability to change their views and bring some god damn progress to the region. So you win, you're more Jewish then me, if that makes you feel better. But your fucking attitude makes me wanna start agreeing with Cyrus King and the rest.

So, tell me exactly - what makes you Jewish. Englighten me. You're atheist, fine. So, you're Jew by tradition or by inheritance?

and for your information, My father is from Kiev and mother from Minsk - two places hit the hardest by Nazi occupation. My dad was 10 at the time war came to Kiev. He saw his grandparents executed, saw his other grandparents arested by KGB for protesting demolition of the sinagogue in Kiev. My mother lost most of her family - they were all sent to concentration camps in Poland. Out of a family of 40+ people! Her uncle, being only 7 years older than her, was thrown out of a moving train by his parents - the train was headed to Aushwiz.

I have 2 scars on my face from Ukrainian antisemites who beat me every day in between classes for 6 months, calling me "kike face" (zhidovskaya morda) while teachers did nothing to stop it.

I've felt the hatered first hand - have you?

So, tell me what exactly makes you Jewish again? You don't have to agree with my points of view but don't you come here and try to put me to shame for having my views that differ from yours.

Please, join whoever you want but don't you tell me my views are fucked up and are embarassement to other Jews. I don't care about your opinion anymore than you care about mine. so, just leave it at that.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Really, if anyone's a disgrace to jewish people, it's idiots like you.

Thanks for your opinion. Like I really care about some asshole's opinion, who has a picture Nazi-like morons who share Nazi-like prinziples in his avatar! Hahahahaha!

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Originally posted by habsfan So what's your opinion on Jonathan Ben Artzi?

Umm... coward????

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer I bet you fucking celebrated when Rabin was assassinated. You know why I left Israel? To avoid pricks like you. Same reason why I turned to atheism. I was sorrounded by idiot Rabbis and Ultra Orthodoxes which made me sick to my stomach with they inability to change their views and bring some god damn progress to the region.

Oh, one other thing: I was devastated when Rabin was killed. If anyone stood a chance of making this peace thing work, it'd been him. There's no question that Sharon is a nutjob but I agree with what he said on the matter of the topic. That was not to be considered an endorsement of Sharon.

As a matter of fact, he's the one leading the Jews out of the so-called "occupied territories".

As far as atheism - religion is not for everyone. I'm not following all 613 mitzvot either, but there are certain so to say "pillars". Am I orthodox? by no means! am I concervative? no. But I respect the struggles we're faced with and certain things that are crucial to our survival.

I'm not going to convince you to be religious - coz' I know I am not deeply religious. But I respect our history, our traditions, I try to honor my ancesstors. By arguing here in the heat of pasison I do realize I may come across as radical, but I am not. I just tend to express my views in not the most PC manner.

And as far as religion goes, the Rabbis are responsible for murdering the faith. I go by a principle "Don't let your religion get in your way of G-d".

Nor do I have a problem with interfaith marriages - but I do have a problem when someone tries to supress our roots. The world is a melting pot and we're the tiniest ingredient in it. If we don't preserve it for future generations, who will???? That in itself is what Antisemitism all about - erradication of our history, traditions, faith. Once the people are gone, the rest associated with us will also be forgotten.

We must never forget. Whatever means you use is up to you.

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Originally posted by h@x0r So, tell me what exactly makes you Jewish again? You don't have to agree with my points of view but don't you come here and try to put me to shame for having my views that differ from yours. Please, join whoever you want but don't you tell me my views are fucked up and are embarassement to other Jews. I don't care about your opinion anymore than you care about mine. so, just leave it at that.

I don't care about your opinions either, I just care when you tell other people wether or not they are Jewish based on what your beliefs are. You can't say that just becuase someone doesn't follow your rules of the religion that they are not Jewish.

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Originally posted by h@x0r Dude, you're the reason why Judaism is in trouble. As the saying goes, "You are the weakest link". Stop embarassing all the Jews by saying you're a Jew - YOU'RE A FUCKING GOY, a fucking poser. Calling yourself a Jew is disrespectful to millions of Jews that died, so that moron like you could actually live. You're worse than the enemy - because its spineless liberals like you who become traitors and sell out the rest of Jews all over the world. The only wise thing you could possibly do at this stage in time is - DON'T EVER REPRODUCE or convert to another religion if you're so ashamed to be a Jew! You are not worthy of even being called a Jew if the mitzvot mean nothing to you. Or do you go by the belief that there were only 10 Commandments? I'm ashamed to know that if you're really a Jew and not some half-breed that you'd actually believe in what you're saying! Here - spend some time here, get some knowledge before you venture back here to proclaim you're Jewish: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

i try to respect other people's beliefs, but this is just plain hilarious

though i feel sorry for what happened to yours, and others' families

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Originally posted by h@x0r Thanks for your opinion. Like I really care about some asshole's opinion, who has a picture Nazi-like morons who share Nazi-like prinziples in his avatar! Hahahahaha!

Whatever. Take one more look at the racist stuff you post and then ask yourself again why those ukranian kids kept beating you up. The only difference between you and the nazis is that you're on different sides. Ideologically you're the same.

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