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Re: Please read this and tell my friend he is wrong

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Originally posted by RickyM "What am I a f*cking clown? You think I'm here to amuse you?" says: if it doesnt take much to make a trance track then why dont you "What am I a f*cking clown? You think I'm here to amuse you?" says: why dont you get a track signed? "What am I a f*cking clown? You think I'm here to amuse you?" says: and get it played on AVB's radio show?

lol.

Dickhead. No, actually, you're both dickheads. Why?

You say not just anyone can make a decent trance track. Well guess what, most everything on ASOT was "decent", if even that. People who get signed to them labels you're talking about have no skill nor fresh ideas, but because of Armin's low standards, people are made believe that this crappy fluff is actually... good.

Dee. Feeted.

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Originally posted by Ory lol. Dickhead. No, actually, you're both dickheads. Why? You say not just anyone can make a decent trance track. Well guess what, most everything on ASOT was "decent", if even that. People who get signed to them labels you're talking about have no skill nor fresh ideas, but because of Armin's low standards, people are made believe that this crappy fluff is actually... good. Dee. Feeted.

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Originally posted by criticalpath What's up with all these trance threads lately?

i wonder.

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Originally posted by tribu Its a matter of apples and oranges. He thinks he's right because he places a higher value on maunal skill, suck as pickng and fret use. Guitar playing is tough, but most contemporary guitar plays memorize chords and strum. A few others might show off their fretting while playing weak music. A unique few have skills with both, and come to be known as the generation's greatest. Point out that your friend is listening to no one who is doing anything new. Theyre all ripping off someone else in an attempt to get rich. Meanwhile, the same thing is going on in trance music: People pumping out assembly line tunes to become rich, while a population gobbles it all up hoping to be counter culture (counter-culture has always been "cool", but as American cultures chews things up faster and faster, it is becoming increasingly harder to be counter to anything, or to be a part of something culture hasn't spit out). Some trance artists create ingenious beats and melodies. Other trance creators make incredible sounds and provide memorable moments with their engineering. There are also a select few who can do both, outside of any musical context, and these become our generation's landmarks. This is due to your higher value on the ability to organize: A trance producer must compose a song for every instrument, while perfecting (or in many cases, tweaking) sounds for use. This doesnt take much manual skill, but is arguably more thought provoking. Either way, it's making music, and if the music fits your mood or the general atmosphere, what's the problem?

(This is not a response against you, rather simply my thoughts along the same line.)

Yes, playing a guitar (well) requires more "manual" talent and technique than producing a trance song, but look at it this way... Producing trance is more of a thinking man's "game." When you produce trance, you are not just exercising your hands with certain techniques, playing certain things. You are deciding how to shape this up, how to shape that out, rough this end up, or add an effect here, or create this sound here.

Whereas the guitar player doesn't actually process his music masterfully to be heard through a media format (CD, for example), the trance producer usually does so, to some extent. Sure, a guitar player must play masterfully live, but that is more performance and showing off things that sound and look cool on demand, instead of a step-by-step thinking process. They both require certain skill, so you cannot say that producing trance takes less skill simply because it is done more at the producer's leisure. As others who don't appreciate EDM say it is a bunch of random computer sounds, those who produce trance know it is actually a very creative thinking process. You can make a "trance song" in some sequencer easily; it just won't sound that good. Indeed, anyone can make a crappy trance song. Then in the same vein, anyone can make a crappy rock song. And many do. (which is not an insult against skilled guitarists)

Re: Please read this and tell my friend he is wrong

He's wrong..
Hope I made your day..ehrr week ..ehum month..year whatever

Regardless.. Why do you care so much?
I sure would'nt..

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Originally posted by fitom tiel i wonder.

You just pulled a dubya. Can I worship you now?

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Originally posted by Redd Just tell him to piss off. I promise you, there is no convincing him he's wrong about anything. I've tried like a billion times, and I've figured out what you should. There is no point. The fact that something is easy to do doesn't automatically make it worse than anything else. If anyone can make a decent tune then great, technology has done this by giving us the tools to make it happen. It's not like text on paper was so much better before than they are now, thanks to the typewriter/computer. How about computerized art/pictures? There are so many things you can do on a computer that you cant with a brush or a pencil, and a computer can almost imitate any form of brushes etc. Of course, it doesn't replace the old way, but it's certainly not any "less good"? bla bla bla

i dont know why i found reading that so funny. possibly stoned LOL

you said a trance song cannot be played live..

you dont even know enough shit about electronic music to argue your point.

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Originally posted by twisted you said a trance song cannot be played live.. you dont even know enough shit about electronic music to argue your point.

lol. dee feated?

I didn't read that whole thing but I got the general gist of it. Here's what you do:

Arguement 1: Trance all sounds the same.
Solution: Introduce him to the wide world of Oliver Lieb. Specifically Spicelab and L.S.G.

Arguement 2: Trance takes no skill to make; unlike rock because it takes musical talent to play a guitar.
Solution: Introduce him to the likes of Juno Reactor (uses guitars infrequently), S.U.N. Project (uses guitars a lot), and the buttrock goa sub-genre (tons of guitars).

the hunter bcomes the hunted!! XD

Don't bother educating the uneducatable

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Originally posted by twisted you said a trance song cannot be played live.. you dont even know enough shit about electronic music to argue your point.

I said a trance song can not be made live, you fucking spoon. Should have gone to specsavers.

You're friend is a lot more correct than you are. A rock song, comprising of three seperate instruments, all playing live, will take more talent to play than any trance track. As trance is almost completely programmed, in theory you could spend as long as you want composing it in the studio and then just play it back. A rock song must be played entirely correctly all the way through by each member of the band, which takes much more skill. Marshall Jefferson was so crap at the piano (a much easier instrument than guitar) that he played it at half-tempo and speeded it up in the studio afterwards.

Another factor is, although most modern and mainstream rock is very simple (punk, progressive and indie being the main ones), older genres of rock such as metal and hard rock songs are very complex, with usually three or four riffs and at least one guitar solo in addition to drums, bass and vocals. Plus nu-metal and hardcore rock can be very technical genres.

You're argument "trance melodies are brilliant" is very weak. Sure they may sound good, but it's not exactly hard to write a rondo form hook and loop it to death. Compare even the most complex, 32 bar mega-trance melody to a average length guitar solo, and then also consider which is being played live, then try and tell me trance melodies demonstrate big talent.

A final note, most older, and traditional styles of trance don't even have big melodies, they have small, understated melodies that don't require much skill to compose. Rock music is always harder to play, and it's very often more complex musically than trance music.

making a trance track is a hell of a lot harder than playing a few chords on a guitar. and i can do both.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You're friend is a lot more correct than you are. A rock song, comprising of three seperate instruments, all playing live, will take more talent to play than any trance track. As trance is almost completely programmed, in theory you could spend as long as you want composing it in the studio and then just play it back. A rock song must be played entirely correctly all the way through by each member of the band, which takes much more skill. Marshall Jefferson was so crap at the piano (a much easier instrument than guitar) that he played it at half-tempo and speeded it up in the studio afterwards. Another factor is, although most modern and mainstream rock is very simple (punk, progressive and indie being the main ones), older genres of rock such as metal and hard rock songs are very complex, with usually three or four riffs and at least one guitar solo in addition to drums, bass and vocals. Plus nu-metal and hardcore rock can be very technical genres. You're argument "trance melodies are brilliant" is very weak. Sure they may sound good, but it's not exactly hard to write a rondo form hook and loop it to death. Compare even the most complex, 32 bar mega-trance melody to a average length guitar solo, and then also consider which is being played live, then try and tell me trance melodies demonstrate big talent. A final note, most older, and traditional styles of trance don't even have big melodies, they have small, understated melodies that don't require much skill to compose. Rock music is always harder to play, and it's very often more complex musically than trance music.

Comparing rock and edm is pretty much like comparing ninjas and pirates: one stays in the land, the other stays in the sea. They're in completely different environments.

Besides, we all know ninjas rule, we don't need to tell pirates that

What about ninja pirates?

i know exactly what are u talking about! i hade a friend who was ina band played guitar and he was also making music with fruityloops with samples from guitar and other instuments and he was saying the same thing....and nobody could change his mind...

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Originally posted by RickyM

You suck. Can't come up with a counter-argument so you use stupid message board pictures to further prove your dumbass-ness. Good job.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You're friend is a lot more correct than you are. A rock song, comprising of three seperate instruments, all playing live, will take more talent to play than any trance track. As trance is almost completely programmed, in theory you could spend as long as you want composing it in the studio and then just play it back. A rock song must be played entirely correctly all the way through by each member of the band, which takes much more skill. Marshall Jefferson was so crap at the piano (a much easier instrument than guitar) that he played it at half-tempo and speeded it up in the studio afterwards.

under the assumption that by trance you mean the whole spectrum of EDM, you are wrong.

cause there are people who make techno live - from scratch.

i myself am perfecting my technique at it. and believe me, it takes more skill to actually make a track (actually, the time scale is much longer then that of a 'track', 'set' would be more appropriate) in front of an audiance live then it does to play all the notes you have typed in front of you (or memorized) in synchronization with your fellow band members.

the basic skills a guitarist needs are just good coordination, good hearing and a good memory. (music writing talent is not essential considering there are plenty of writers out there who do nothing but).

an EDM producer doing a true liveact needs much more then that.

p.s: sorry to repeat the mistake of discussing a genre i dont know much about.

edit: jazz on the other hand (in its original form) is much closer to the levels of talent im talking about here

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Originally posted by Ory You suck. Can't come up with a counter-argument so you use stupid message board pictures to further prove your dumbass-ness. Good job.

It's not as if a counter argument would make any difference with you, you miserable little orc.

As soon as you see the words 'ASOT' or 'Armin Van Buuren' you go off on another of your pathetic and boring little rants. Why don't you just fuck off back to where you came from, and leave me in peace you fun sized piece of shit.

you're both wrong but your friend is less wrong (and he has a more decent MSN nick btw).

Music is art

In art, the skill that matters the most is creativity.

If you go to the root, the trance producer and the guitarist are using the same skill: imagining something which sounds cool in their mind and play it.

It's pointless to compare the techniques used in Art 'cause it's the outcome that matters.

Another exemple: Van Gogh and Joan Miro -> both are artist painters, van gogh is expressing his creativity with a realistic method of painting which might requires more "skill" (as in harder to master the drawing and painting technique) while Miro's style is minimalist (sometimes, just few lines are drown).

In the end: Some people prefer van gogh, some prefer Miro but they are both genius.

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Originally posted by Gravgon you're both wrong but your friend is less wrong (and he has a more decent MSN nick btw). Music is art In art, the skill that matters the most is creativity. If you go to the root, the trance producer and the guitarist are using the same skill: imagining something which sounds cool in their mind and play it. It's pointless to compare the techniques used in Art 'cause it's the outcome that matters. Another exemple: Van Gogh and Joan Miro -> both are artist painters, van gogh is expressing his creativity with a realistic method of painting which might requires more "skill" (as in harder to master the drawing and painting technique) while Miro's style is minimalist (sometimes, just few lines are drown). In the end: Some people prefer van gogh, some prefer Miro but they are both genius.

even though im pretty clueless about visual arts...
why wasnt van gogh (and i assume miro aswell?) a 'genius' at his time?

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Originally posted by Gravgon you're both wrong but your friend is less wrong (and he has a more decent MSN nick btw).

It's a quote from Goodfellas - one of the best movies ever

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Originally posted by RickyM I said a trance song can not be made live, you fucking spoon. Should have gone to specsavers.

ive bought a video of UNDERWORLD LIVE ... and correct me if im wrong... but i think they're "making" the music LIVE!!!

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