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Posted by Jake Conlon on Jan-31-2005 21:19:

im primarily a trance dj.

but as they say you gott do what you gotta do so if i wann take the energy up i start playing into some pounding techno or if i wanna take people on a journey i will satart slow then go to some trance then go hard but if i wanna make the people buzz ill play some trance (yes good trance does still exist )


Posted by Nemesis44 on Jan-31-2005 22:28:

I think there comes a time when you have to sit down and be honest with yourself.

Whilst I do really have a love of trance admittedly the slightly quirkier type for the most. For your own growth and personality in the mix you have to cast asside genres and work out how to place your own personality in the mix. That is what will get you noticed for better or worse.

One of my rules is that it has to be funky. DJing well has more to do with getting people fired up than just being loyal to one type of music.
There are very few DJs that get away with that.

Play music that you believe in and you will be more fun to watch. Experiment but be relevant if you get my meaning.

Another DJ once said to me, "There are only two types of music... Good and Bad".

You should be able to hear if something is quality or not even if you don't like it... For example take Motorcycle - As the Rush comes. I can't stand the G&D mix... as a matter a fact I think it's probably one of my least liked tracks ever but I am not going to sit here and tell you that it's a bad piece of music. There is a big difference between I don't like and I think it's shit. That McDonalds/Pizza Hut track is shit!

Back to personallity, it takes years to develop into something you know how to put into your set but you will get there in time.

I think I have probably rambled enough and managed to say nothing... as per usual.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by on Feb-01-2005 00:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
I think there comes a time when you have to sit down and be honest with yourself.

Whilst I do really have a love of trance admittedly the slightly quirkier type for the most. For your own growth and personality in the mix you have to cast asside genres and work out how to place your own personality in the mix. That is what will get you noticed for better or worse.

One of my rules is that it has to be funky. DJing well has more to do with getting people fired up than just being loyal to one type of music.
There are very few DJs that get away with that.

Play music that you believe in and you will be more fun to watch. Experiment but be relevant if you get my meaning.

Another DJ once said to me, "There are only two types of music... Good and Bad".

You should be able to hear if something is quality or not even if you don't like it... For example take Motorcycle - As the Rush comes. I can't stand the G&D mix... as a matter a fact I think it's probably one of my least liked tracks ever but I am not going to sit here and tell you that it's a bad piece of music. There is a big difference between I don't like and I think it's shit. That McDonalds/Pizza Hut track is shit!

Back to personallity, it takes years to develop into something you know how to put into your set but you will get there in time.

I think I have probably rambled enough and managed to say nothing... as per usual.

Cheers
Nem


Quality Post mate... couldn't agree more.


Posted by djdk on Feb-01-2005 02:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44

Another DJ once said to me, "There are only two types of music... Good and Bad".



the words of a very wise man!!!


Posted by tu_face on Feb-01-2005 12:28:

i used to play a lot of trance, mainly either harder stuff, or more dirty prog stuff. for the last year or 2 i have been playing techno. i moved on to techno for 2 reasons: 1) its fucking amazing, its a very hard genre to get bored of because there is no rules to the music. 2) i love the challenge, technically, of playing techno. before i used to get bored playing one tune after another blah blah. with techno, its much more open for DJ input, manipulation, and fucking around with samples, cuts and effects.


Posted by razzi on Feb-01-2005 12:36:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
i used to play a lot of trance, mainly either harder stuff, or more dirty prog stuff. for the last year or 2 i have been playing techno. i moved on to techno for 2 reasons: 1) its fucking amazing, its a very hard genre to get bored of because there is no rules to the music. 2) i love the challenge, technically, of playing techno. before i used to get bored playing one tune after another blah blah. with techno, its much more open for DJ input, manipulation, and fucking around with samples, cuts and effects.


i also started getting into some techno as of late.. nothing hardcore underground, but its a start. its a nice change, and it is really run to mix because there is more room to be creative.

razzi.


Posted by dj_lane on Feb-01-2005 13:16:

It doesnt always happen, But Every DJ changes his/her style in time, and that time is usually 1-2 years.

I saw this change myself.

When i started spinning, I was in love with Trance, I still love trance, there just seems to be a major lack of 'good' trance in my record store nowdays. I have no idea why progressive is doing this, for me, I cant stand to spin progressive becuase it just seems lifeless, too slow and a lack of energy. Sadly, it seems like thats what everyone is 'into.' Now dont get me wrong, I love listening to progressive music; CD's, Sets, Live Shows, anything prog, I dont mind listening to it.

When I make a set, I try to play the music my heart feels, and I just cant feel prog when Im on the decks. I began a slow transition in my mind, it took about 6-7 months or so, but slowly, I started prefering tech'ish (Tech-Trance, Techno) tunes over trancy ones. I still love to play trance, but I really enjoy Techno.

Record Crate - 2003/ Early 04:
Solar Stone - 7 Cities
ATB - Till I Come
Rank 1 - Awakening
Gouryella - Tenshi
Armin Van Buuren - Slipstream (feat. Airwave)
Cygnus X - Positron 2002


Record Crate - 2005:
Dave Clark - Just Ride
Speedy J - Bugmod
DK - Murder Was the Bass
Ben Sims - Manipulated
Suburban Knight - Dark Journeys
Redhead - Sad Homecoming


Posted by tu_face on Feb-01-2005 14:34:

so we are agreed? techno is amazing.


Posted by RJT on Feb-01-2005 16:50:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
so we are agreed? techno is amazing.



I'm not so much a fan, but that doesn't mean it's not amazing... if you know what to do with it and it makes you rock out, more power to you!

As far as the McProg debate goes, I really do understand what everyone is saying about it, and I do think some DJ's (Including one of my favorites: Markus Schulz) really over do it, and some of their radio sets are definitely not too danceable, but live in person, no matter who it is, it's all about using the record correctly.

I've come to learn quickly that a Prog tune can be my best friend or worst enemy depending on placement in the set, and where you choose to mix. A lot of these long drawn out intros will put a crowd to sleep, but if I run it just a bit later into the track, the beat will be persistent, and perhaps give the crowd either A.) a rest, or B.) A steady beat to keep rocking too while I figure out what to do next. I think the same applies to how I feel about trance these days, it's all about placement, well that and finding the diamond in the rough trance track that comes out these days... Keo Nazari's "Too Close" (Noel Sanger Remix) comes to mind, but maybe that's more proggy, and it's definitely my opinion, not a fact.

In any event, it makes me happy to see the evolution of the DJ's here, and it definitely gives me some options to listen to you all spin and see if I can find some new stuff I like.

Peace, Cheers,

RJT


Posted by Zild on Feb-01-2005 18:30:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
so we are agreed? techno is amazing.



I'll agree with you. I'll even say that Techno > Trance without any qualms because it is.


Posted by placebo on Feb-01-2005 20:49:

I play what I like, regardless of genre, date it was released, if its been played out, etc.

Thats the point of being a DJ right? To share music that you like with other people.


Posted by Shudder on Feb-01-2005 23:12:

i started a trance dj at the beginning of last year but that was already when trance was heading to a downward spiral. hunting down the classics was impossible cause most were out of print. im into chugging, techy and slightly dubby/melodic house music now.


Posted by Jake Conlon on Feb-01-2005 23:34:

started using ableton live these past couple of days.

got tons of loops from parents 70's and 80's vinyl looping with some random beats ive made its all very fun to trigger it using a midi keyboard making a new track every time then mix in a vinyl or cd live.

what im trying to say is ableton live rocks!


Posted by dj_lane on Feb-02-2005 13:09:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
so we are agreed? techno is amazing.



I agree wholeheartily


Posted by jusware on Feb-02-2005 17:30:

I started spinng progressive trance with some anthems. I didnt keep that style very long. I got very tired of hearing the same 7 tracks being spun by every dj. I was at a massive once and I heard delerium - silence spun by 6 djs, and in two rooms at the same time. I evolved to psy trance and dark trance. I'm currently getting into techno and funky tech house.


Posted by MR STROKE on Feb-04-2005 04:42:

i think trance in general is the type of EDM most people get into first, and then slowly move into prog, house, tribal, techno, etc...
almost everyone i know that listens to edm does this....


Posted by KristineClub on Feb-04-2005 23:06:

I know some people that got hooked on drum n bass first.


Posted by Max Thomson on Feb-05-2005 16:30:

Trance doesn't have the same subliminal value to me that it did as early as 2002. I play everything from percussive breaks to melodic tech house, so I guess you could say that the most interesting (and challenging) part of being a DJ to me is reinventing myself.


Posted by placebo on Feb-05-2005 19:22:

I like breaks, dnb, and hiphop


Posted by DannyO on Feb-05-2005 20:54:

Well for me I started with House music, then in about early 1997 went to Trance with some Hard Trance and House splashed here and there, but alot of trance to me is sounding the same these days, there are still great tracks being made, but they are very hard to find in among the crap, but it makes for some gooood crate digging, I have always had a love for breaks, especially in Trance so over the last 6 months I been thinking and searching for good breaks and have been incorporating them into my sets over the last few months, I love trance but theres only so much you can do with them apart from going back and forth vinyl to vinyl, Breaks allows me to really mess with the music and get involved in what I want it to sound like, this is why I want a CDJ, to include Edits/Remixes of certain tracks that I've added my style to, and I have also been messing with Ableton Live for some time now, will be including that into my sets in the next few months.


Posted by RJT on Feb-06-2005 12:32:

Just thought of this too... lately I've really been enjoying taking tracks from modern jazz artists (Medeski, Martin, & Wood/Kyoto Jazz Massive) and pitching them up a bit to run them around the 128-135BPM category and using them as intro tracks for sets.

I know there is a whole genre of "Acid Jazz" out there that is basically meant for DJ's, but I think it's a lot of fun to check out even some of the classics... I'm thinking about trying to produce a track using the vocals from the Sarah Vaughan version of "Summertime" somewhat in the vein of the "Verve: Remixed" release, but with a bit more of a progressive/trance feel to it.

Just in the "things I'm thinking about" phase now... Cheers,

RJT


Posted by T-Soma on Feb-06-2005 13:25:

From around the age of 5-8 i had been to a few raves along with my dad while he was working, being so young while sitting back stage the music ment nothing and to me it was just some constant thumping noise and the dj was just some guy with wierd black round things standing at a table. Wen i was about 8 my dad finished working in that industry and at that time i didnt even have a taste in music. But then a few years later when i was hearing some trance again from flicking through radio stations i feel in love instantly. Since then iv ben into trance. i started djing a year ago and since then iv gotten into breaks and most types of house aswell and ifluence from friends and such has gotten me to tolerate rnb, hip-hop, punk rock. Trance has meaning and emotion and thats what i like about it. Say something has happend and im in a pissu mood i can never get enough of realy hard trance or if im just chillin out i play some progy slow kinda trance. Iv been a little sleep deprived lately so i hope that all makes sense (damn one month school camp)


Posted by Nemesis44 on Feb-06-2005 19:38:

What people got into first just depends on what was big at the time in most cases. Then after that people tend to evolve and find their own way and eventually will make their own interpretation of a scene and if enough people agree with it they will come and see you and you will get a name for yourself.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by kr00t0n on Feb-06-2005 21:07:

I'm quite weird in my tastes, as in they havent really changed.

When I started clubbing in 99, I wasn't too selective on the quality of tracks played, but more the effect it would have on the dancefloor.

I go clubbing to dance first and foremost, if the music doesnt make me want to do so, I dont bother going.

I first started buying records in 2000, when there was a huge Hard House boom in Cape Town, so alot of my records (which are silly hard to get ahold of in SA) were nukleuz and the like.

When I finally moved to London beginning of 2002, I suddenyl had a massive amount of music available to me, and the hard house around at that point wasn't really doing much for me. So I hunted down classics, listened to as much as I could, finding many euphoric and harder edged trance gems.

This is still my mainstay to date, it's the type of trance I love, not what everyone else likes, I don't care about that, after all YOU need to love the music you play, and there will always be people out there with the same love.

What I have done in the past 2 years is start to incorporate more flowingness, sorta upbeat prog trance that allows for a flow into euphoric, which again allows a flow into more pumping stuff (ala Flutlicht, etc)

Not a huge variety (I only own one house track, but it KICKS ASS) but at the end of the day, buying from all genres is VERY expensive.

I don't deny that there arent as many tracks about these days that float my boat, but then the sheer number of releases has increased dramatically over the years, meaning finding the good stuff requires more searching.


Posted by DJ_Ikronix on Feb-08-2005 01:42:

I consider myself a trance DJ. As well as a jungle/d'n'b DJ. Oh yeah, and a breaks DJ. And a hip-hop DJ. Etc...

When I started out, I was dividing my money between jungle and classic trance, so it's not like I was a trance purist at first...


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