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| Originally posted by Pettiscool you burbs kids dont know shit about toronto..... |
Worst neighborhood would prolly be anywhere around CZ....but ssauga is def one of the better places to raise a family...
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| Originally posted by Funkyfun Worst neighborhood would prolly be anywhere around CZ....but ssauga is def one of the better places to raise a family... |
I live in Scarlem. It kinda sucks. But Pickering, Ajax, Aurora are all very nice. The people I know from university who come from there are awesome. Woodbridge is full of attitude, so stay away from there. Rosedale is snobby kids with crack addictions cuz they can afford it. Mississauga has a lot of nice people from my experience. Markham is ok. Richmond Hill....sure.
My theory goes like this.
Say the GTA goes from Oshawa to Oakville.
The level of snobbiness seems to decrease the further east you go.
Oakville and Woodbridge being the worst.
This may not be a coincidence. In urban studies i learned that most of the working class lived in the east end of town since the wind blew all the smoke from west to east. The richest communities were always on the west side since they didnt get any of the pollution.
(if you think pollution is bad now try living 100 years ago)
Markham= Chinese
Everything else chinese =
GTFO U MOFOS..AND TAKE THE DARKER ONES WITH YOU ...
I live in woodbridge, never had any problems here. May be b/c I don't really hang out with ppl here. Anyways, even the worst area in TO is nothing compared to the marginal Moscow suburbs.
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL and yeah i agree.. don't raise them in Markham !! |
I gotta rep Forest Hill... gorgeous houses, nice clean and safe neighborhood, with lots of bars/restaurants/shops/crap in close proximity.
I prefer living in the city, so for me anything north of Eglinton, west of bathurst, or east of leslie is no good 
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| Originally posted by Tordan lol... you do realize I was just kidding with markham and mississauga. How can I not live there... they're my pplz yo!! |
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Councillor's comments cause concern Ward 39's Mike Del Grande worries about 'white people' leaving community DAVID NICKLE Dec. 29, 2004 Ward 39 Councillor Mike Del Grande (Scarborough-Agincourt) worries that "white people" are leaving his northwest Scarborough ward, and maintains a list of suspected rooming houses, grow houses and bylaw violations in the form of a ward-wide "census" of single family homes. "What's happening here is a lot of the white people are moving out," said Del Grande, during a recent tour of his ward with a Mirror reporter. Del Grande agreed to the tour after raising concerns about the assessment he'd received in The Mirror's recent city council report card. He made the comment outside one suspected marijuana grow house after the reporter noted the large suburban home had a Neighbourhood Watch sign in its front window. During the two-hour tour, the councillor, elected for the first time in 2003, visited sites where he'd had an impact in 2003, focusing on community benefits received from developers, work that he'd done to improve local parks, and work he'd done to root out marijuana grow operations in suburban houses. Del Grande's ward includes a large Chinese-Canadian population (43.3 per cent of the ward is of Chinese origin, according to 2000 census data posted on the City of Toronto's website). When asked a short time later to explain his apparent perception that there is a race relations problem in his ward, Del Grande said: "There's two types of Chinese in this neighbourhood. There's the Hong Kong Chinese and there's the mainland Chinese and the Hong Kong Chinese are having trouble with the mainland Chinese. So it's not even white and Chinese. It's Chinese and Chinese. So there's a tension and Hong Kong Chinese are moving out. That's the irony here." And he concluded: "But most people don't care what's next door, Jamaican, Filipino, as long as they maintain their property...and they don't cause a lot of problems and have respect for each other, that's the key point," he said. Dr. Ming-Tat Cheung, chair of the Chinese Cultural Centre, said he was "very disappointed" with Del Grande's comments. "I think he has to learn the multicultural makeup of this community. He has to try to understand as a leader of the community he should try to resolve the problem and not incite the problem - make more problems," said Cheung. "But saying that people who are white are moving out and Chinese people are moving in - I wouldn't want to use the word racism, but it's shortsighted to think that only the white people are Canadians and everybody else is an outsider," he added. "That's something that's been happening in the past. It's not well received." Cheung also disagreed with Del Grande's assertion that Chinese-Canadians from mainland China have problems with those from Hong Kong, or vice versa. "I think there is some cultural background differences between people from Hong Kong and China, but I think their goals are the same - trying to have a good life in Canada - and I think there might be some disagreements but overall I think Hong Kong people and Chinese people are working well together," he said. On issues of property standards, Del Grande revealed that he had over the summer paid three summer students to observe every single family house in the ward. He showed the reporter the resulting chart that he said he carries with him, showing addresses and a checklist of suspected problems: overgrown grass, trees that need trimming, illegally-widened driveways and homes that showed signs of being illegal rooming houses or grow houses. When asked if his constituents might not be disturbed at having their homes observed so closely, Del Grande responded: "If somebody calls to complain about their neighbour, I say...by the way, you got a widened driveway which is illegal as well...so you're breaking the law as much as the other guy. You want to proceed? I'll proceed." Del Grande is, however, proactive on many property standards issues. He said he travels around his ward with a pair of binoculars and a digital camera, monitoring suspected illegal grow houses and also keeping an eye on houses that he suspects are illegal rooming houses. "What I do is I get a camera and a pair of binoculars...I just literally drive by continually," he said. Del Grande has also begun a much-publicized process of putting a sign up on the lawns of grow houses once the police have busted them. He dismissed concerns that doing so affects property values of the surrounding homes. "The issue is we don't put them up forever - just for two to five days, saying we got rid of this," he said. Del Grande also raised concerns that too many of the homes in the ward are tenant-occupied rather than owner-occupied. He said that his goal for the community is to have more homeowners move in. "What I want at the end of the day is I want people to move into the neighbourhood and not move out of the neighbourhood," he said. "I think that tells the story...There are a lot of vacant homes. This area seems to be predominantly lots of absentee landlords, lots of rentals." |
Most desirable would be Riverdale (Pape to Broadview, south of the danforth)or Beaches
Least desirable anything just east or west of Parliment, worked in the area but would never wanna live there 
most desirable - I would have to say is yorkville area! or yonge and st clair for conveinence sake!
the least desirable ________________ (what's this area called??)**EDIT**(Dundas and Sherbournish area) anything on Sherbourne SUCKS, except at king and sherbourne - but even then - sktch at night!
umm, ossignton and dupont area is sktch too - anything on dovercourt and dufferin and dupont, bloor area - sucks too!
for quit areas, i would route for greek town - EXcept for when the taste of the danforth occurs! (but still good eats~!)
anyways that's alll i have to say about that! have a good one!
Oh yeah - I love where i live righ tnow - at Dundas and university - b/c it's a 5 dollar cab ride from anywhere in the club district and I love to go down that way to BOOGIE~!
ciao 4now!
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| "But saying that people who are white are moving out and Chinese people are moving in - I wouldn't want to use the word racism, but it's shortsighted to think that only the white people are Canadians and everybody else is an outsider," he added. "That's something that's been happening in the past. It's not well received." |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 This is NOT what the councillor was saying. What the councillor was saying is that white people feel alienated and feel the need to move out. He is not saying that Chinese Canadians arent Canadian per se. |
They dont misinterpret. They use it for their own gain. They want to paint this guy as a racist perhaps for their own political benefit? Thats just speculation but the race card gets played all the time when it comes to things like this which is why everyone is so afraid to talk frankly about race relations.
I agree Jay. I believe Del Grande was being honest but that Mirror reporter on the other hand. 
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| Cheung also disagreed with Del Grande's assertion that Chinese-Canadians from mainland China have problems with those from Hong Kong, or vice versa. |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 They dont misinterpret. They use it for their own gain. They want to paint this guy as a racist perhaps for their own political benefit? Thats just speculation but the race card gets played all the time when it comes to things like this which is why everyone is so afraid to talk frankly about race relations. |
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| Originally posted by Tordan I agree Jay. I believe Del Grande was being honest but that Mirror reporter on the other hand. lol.. that's the biggest load of crap I ever heard. They obviously don't get along. |
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| Originally posted by Tordan lol.. that's the biggest load of crap I ever heard. They obviously don't get along. |
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL i agree as well .. i hav HK friends who can tell me first hand that they don't get along with mainlanders |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 HK and mainland china are two seperate societies. |
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| Originally posted by dallastar the least desirable is riverdale (Dundas and sherbournish area) anything on Sherbourne SUCKS, except at king and sherbourne - but even then - sktch at night! for quit areas, i would route for greek town - EXcept for when the taste of the danforth occurs! (but still good eats~!) |
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| Originally posted by dnmr Riverdale is NOT located anywhere near sherbourne and dundas, it runs between pape and broadview, Danforth and Gerrard St. AKA Greektown!!! had to correct ya... sorry girl Danielle |
mind that you corected me :P
an interesting article on the perception some people have about various parts of Toronto..
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Feb. 5, 2005. 01:00 AM
Druggies vs. nerds � it's a hard choice
MARGO VARADI
Whether they prefer a trendy scene or an academic one, it would seem that some teens have become obsessed with shopping around for the perfect school.
While teens may claim to be more open-minded than their "dumb" parents, a number of them have their own narrow views. When it comes to picking which high school to go to, some younger teens seem to make their selections based on gossip, slander and shallow stereotypes.
The names of the teens in this column have been changed to protect them from any negative repercussions, and the names of the schools have been dropped to avoid perpetuating damaging impressions.
Like many teens, Jason, 13, feels that the school you choose defines who you are and how you'll be seen.
"There's those schools where people are, like, `You suck' because you're going to that school," says Jason, 13, or "you're a druggie" for choosing another school.
Once a stereotype is attached to a school, it can be difficult to shake and may have destructive consequences, particularly when racism, anti-Semitism and classism are involved.
Among Jason's rejected high school options is one he says is "known as a ghetto school," and another that he views as "mostly Jewish, so if you're not Jewish you wouldn't go there. It's also a pretty rich school."
Lisa, 16, wants to change high schools because she says hers is "80 per cent Asian" and she needs "more diversity."
"Nobody that goes to (my school) likes it."
Such base and racist assumptions may come from the human instinct to categorize but, unchecked, this behaviour has the potential to create a socially and culturally segregated school system.
"I wanna know if all the Asian nerds are going to one school because it will probably be academic," Jason says, "unlike the slackers and druggies who would go to another school because they don't want to be challenged."
For teens like Sarah, 13, living in the 905, where choices for high schools are minimal, negative generalizations leave her feeling anxious.
"People say you have to choose between guns and drugs," she says. "There's this constant dialogue and rumours that if you go to (one school), you're gonna get shot, and if you go to (another), you're gonna do drugs.
"It's, like, `Thanks for the comfort.'"
Lisa feels the neighbourhood a school is in has a lot to do with how it is categorized. She refuses to go anywhere too north, east or west and dismisses one particular area of the city "because it sucks. It's this place where every block is a bowling alley or a beer store."
She is also critical of schools north of St. Clair because "the student body is all well off in an arrogant way, and white. It's obviously a generalization, but I feel that way."
Conversely, many other students feel some schools north of St. Clair are cool because they have the best parties.
Alternative schools are also hot right now and have long waiting lists.
Kelly, 15, says that most of her friends have chosen the alternative route. "You go there for the parties and the trendy people," she says.
Whatever school they choose, the decision often feels monumental.
"It could change your life, if you go to arts school or a technical school," Jason says. "I'm worried about making the right choice and if the school will give me the best life and career."
Maybe, teens need to realize that outstanding students with strong careers ahead of them can come out of any high school in any neighbourhood. Toronto's diversity and its tolerance are the very reason there are, in fact, no "ghetto" schools.
To help bust these stereotypes, check out the website for your local school board to get up-to-date facts on high schools in your neighbourhood.
Margo Varadi is the advice columnist for Brand New Planet.
Email [email protected].
Additional articles by Margo Varadi
source:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=991929131147
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| Among Jason's rejected high school options is one he says is "known as a ghetto school," and another that he views as "mostly Jewish, so if you're not Jewish you wouldn't go there. It's also a pretty rich school." Lisa, 16, wants to change high schools because she says hers is "80 per cent Asian" and she needs "more diversity." |
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