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it isn't those who don't follow my beliefs. I am not by any means a perfect person, I have my shortcomings. my beliefs are not what is to be followed, but rather EVERYONES.

I want a way for the people to tell the governments that this is no longer acceptable.

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I'm interested in why you believe the Beginning of the End (or Beginning of the New Beginning?..) will start in 2012.. what is the significance of this date?.. you may have mentioned it in one of your prior posts, but I'd rather not read them all again!

january 1st 2012 is when the gregorian calendar and the mayan calendar intersect. it is only a day true, but there are already mass plans for this day.

I bought a calendar from a friend about this stuff.. very informative, it has some websites on it as well, but I don't have the calendar here right now. I'll post them some other time.

Renegade said:

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now. All these anti-capitalism riots going on across the world are only going to intensify as long as the inhuman coporate mentality is welcomed by the western world, and allowed to exist above reproach.

I hear ya.. Corporate capitalism has become a monty haul for the upper echelon of management. You are right about corporations' elite management's irresponsibilities. They do not give much a rat's ass for accountability and ethics if they can get away with it.

Your comment about CEOs reminds me this article I read about Nortel Networks (giant telecom co). There's an organization was formed to voice the concerns of shareholders of the company. These shareholders (as the organization) are the school teachers using their pensions, reinvested into Nortel, in approx. amount of 800 million. The disturbing point of the article was the CEO had a bonus clause. Last year, he took home 135 million beans!! To me, this is beyond absurd, it's outright robbery. Nor does this capricious amount has to do with the CEO's performance and ability to run the company.

The shareholders even took this to court and lost!

Corruption happens at every level of society. Corporate hegemony is the inequality of power and wealth distribution, faciliated by its dirtiest tricks and ruthless mentality.

It's sick..



KtP

Well, it seems there's some shitty places to work out there, and - believe me - I've been at the bottom of the ladder in the jobs I had before I started studying as well.

But, nobody is forcing you to work there!

You'd might say that you need the money for your rent, food, clothes etc. but if you really wanted you could probably get by with a lot less. Example: You all have computers and internet connections, probably TVs, stereos (for listening to trance) and surely wears some kind of fashion clothes - all things that aren't essential to survival. So basically you work at that damn place because you have *chosen* to endure the jerks above you in exchange for a materialy enriched life.

Likewise the people you work for most likely hasn't been handed their priviledges on a silver plate: They have *chosen* to lower their self esteem in order to kiss so much ass that they got promoted, sacrificed spare time in favour of working late in order to stand out so they could get up the ladder, or they might have had the balls to start a company by themselves. Equaly, their life is riddled with extra responsibilities and probably a longer work day.

I don't think that blaming corporatism gets you anywhere. Only an reassesment of your goals and life will get you anywhere - just like AnotherWay did it.

In closing I'd recommend the Godfather saga that - to me - illustrates the problem nicely.

btw. I like Pepsi.

this is a quote I got from another forum

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apparently sometime in december? i think it's december 2012 a series of sunspots are going to send of some dangerous magnetic fields towards earth caausing continents to shifts, volcanoes to erupt, tornadoes to suck up cows, giraffes to end up in poland and ther'll be lots of missing car keys all over the world. this is supposed to be the end of the fourth age as the Mayans would have it.

apparently there are all sorts of weird things going to happen in 2012.

be ready kids.

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic this is a quote I got from another forum apparently there are all sorts of weird things going to happen in 2012. be ready kids.

Yeah, I heard it before (1996, 2003, 2012). I have yet to see any credible shift of vibration.

You sound like you appreciate the ideas and philosophy of Shroomery.com. There's a member, Shroomism, who purports to have contact with entities (plaedian, sirians). If you're interested, you can check the board under "Spiritualily and Philosophy", in "Aliens/Human Relations".

I am also involved in the discussion on a different tangent there.

Enjoy..


KtP

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic this is a quote I got from another forum apparently there are all sorts of weird things going to happen in 2012. be ready kids.

just like the world catastrophe we all endured on NYE 1999? that shift has everything to do with capitalism and the way we have structured our country and world (pre-industriallism, the idustrial movement, post-industrialism, to our tech focused community). as u4ea mentioned, there were other dates as well, with no noticable shifts. ill be ready for 2012, but i can wait for it to get here...late/

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Originally posted by trancaholic Well, it seems there's some shitty places to work out there, and - believe me - I've been at the bottom of the ladder in the jobs I had before I started studying as well. But, nobody is forcing you to work there! You'd might say that you need the money for your rent, food, clothes etc. but if you really wanted you could probably get by with a lot less. Example: You all have computers and internet connections, probably TVs, stereos (for listening to trance) and surely wears some kind of fashion clothes - all things that aren't essential to survival. So basically you work at that damn place because you have *chosen* to endure the jerks above you in exchange for a materialy enriched life. Likewise the people you work for most likely hasn't been handed their priviledges on a silver plate: They have *chosen* to lower their self esteem in order to kiss so much ass that they got promoted, sacrificed spare time in favour of working late in order to stand out so they could get up the ladder, or they might have had the balls to start a company by themselves. Equaly, their life is riddled with extra responsibilities and probably a longer work day. I don't think that blaming corporatism gets you anywhere. Only an reassesment of your goals and life will get you anywhere - just like AnotherWay did it. In closing I'd recommend the Godfather saga that - to me - illustrates the problem nicely. btw. I like Pepsi.

^^^Most intelligent post of entire thread!

As much as the "rebel cause" makes me laugh, i'm going to have to side with trancaholic and the biz (werd up!) on this one....

I think those who complain about capitalism are unhappy with their current position in society right now and need an outlet. Fortunatley for RavingLunatic, he found this "shroomism" or whatever... I have worked in a position that Renegade spoke of... and you know what? It's not THAT bad... just look at it this way: It may be unfair that the bosses have it easy, and you bust your ass... but don't forget, (like trancaholic said), your bosses started out JUST as you did....

In other words, if you bust your ass, and continue to work hard, you can be where they are one day. THEN you can relax and make the big bucks. Anybody can be successful. With the right amount of education, hard work, and determination, ANYONE can become a "CEO". To those who say life isn't fair: I say BULLSHIT! Some may get dealt better things in life by birth, but anyone can be whoever they want to be in this society: Every person has access to all necesities, and everyone has the ability/option to do whatever they want with their lives.

You may be unhappy with Capitalism, but i think you are unhappy with yourselves.

And to agree with TranceGiant, we are all but bricks in a huge wall. One brick is not going to change everything. And did it not occur to you that the reason we have this wall in the first place is because of how good of a system it is? Why do you think the strongest countries in the world are capitalist? As much as you may not like it, its the best system out there.

I like your dreams though, although they may be of grandeur. You cannot be blamed, RavingLunatic, for wanting that. I just blame you for blaming Capitalism. I am experiencing right now what you are dreaming for.... and i am experiencing it in a Capitalist economy! I work, yet am not bored. I buy things i want, yet am not broke. And i do what i want! 100% happy in life i am.

You will find that on your quest to "right" the world, your biggest opponents will be those who are already happy in life!

And as far as the "world-ending" stuff, i just think people need an excuse, something to take their mind off things.... These people were so fucking vocal about everything come the end of 1999..... but you don't hear shit out of them now, do you? But as soon as something else "comes up", you're going to hear these people again..... Well, the world's been around for billions of years, and its not going anywhere for another "billions of years".... lol.

Cheers for now.
-ABT-

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline Every person has access to all necesities, and everyone has the ability/option to do whatever they want with their lives.

In our Western societies yes, this is true to an extent. But there are many places in this world in which it is impossible for people to become anything and earn a decent wage. Thousands of people spend their entire lives just earning enough money to live.

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline ^^^Most intelligent post of entire thread!

Yes, overall it makes sense out of sensibility from a person's frame of reference. Be here in the now rather then in the past or some cryptic-prescribed doomsday for a future! :P

I've had my share of meeting people with very unorthodox thinking so I have a good grasp of where people like RavingLunatic are come from.

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As much as the "rebel cause" makes me laugh, i'm going to have to side with trancaholic and the biz (werd up!) on this one.... I think those who complain about capitalism are unhappy with their current position in society right now and need an outlet. Fortunatley for RavingLunatic, he found this "shroomism" or whatever... I have worked in a position that Renegade spoke of... and you know what? It's not THAT bad... just look at it this way: It may be unfair that the bosses have it easy, and you bust your ass... but don't forget, (like trancaholic said), your bosses started out JUST as you did....

I believe his (Renegade's) complaint was the general treatment of the lower level food chain people in the company. It is quite relevant to any capitalistic socio-economic society. It has to do more with just the bosses, it's the company's policies.

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In other words, if you bust your ass, and continue to work hard, you can be where they are one day. THEN you can relax and make the big bucks. Anybody can be successful. With the right amount of education, hard work, and determination, ANYONE can become a "CEO". To those who say life isn't fair: I say BULLSHIT! Some may get dealt better things in life by birth, but anyone can be whoever they want to be in this society: Every person has access to all necesities, and everyone has the ability/option to do whatever they want with their lives. You may be unhappy with Capitalism, but i think you are unhappy with yourselves. [/quote Quite so. It makes pragmatic sense.. IF a company is not aligned ethically and morally with me, goodbye. [quote]And to agree with TranceGiant, we are all but bricks in a huge wall. One brick is not going to change everything. And did it not occur to you that the reason we have this wall in the first place is because of how good of a system it is? Why do you think the strongest countries in the world are capitalist? As much as you may not like it, its the best system out there.

Every good system has a price. That price is human failing for avarice and power: survival of the fittest at any costs. On one hand, such systems promote opportunities, success, and wealth. On the other hand, it promotes environmental negligence, corruption, deception, and even costing human lives.

...Time to make a new wall.. All it takes is one brick to fall out.. Brick by brick. Certainly, it may not create any substantial new system out of (doesn't have to be) capitalism - but more for causing some havoc -- to change the way it thinks and behaves.

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I like your dreams though, although they may be of grandeur. You cannot be blamed, RavingLunatic, for wanting that. I just blame you for blaming Capitalism. I am experiencing right now what you are dreaming for.... and i am experiencing it in a Capitalist economy! I work, yet am not bored. I buy things i want, yet am not broke. And i do what i want! 100% happy in life i am.

True, it's what you do about it instead of just pointing fingers. I agree with you that effort is needed to 'coexist'.

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You will find that on your quest to "right" the world, your biggest opponents will be those who are already happy in life! And as far as the "world-ending" stuff, i just think people need an excuse, something to take their mind off things.... These people were so fucking vocal about everything come the end of 1999..... but you don't hear shit out of them now, do you? But as soon as something else "comes up", you're going to hear these people again..... Well, the world's been around for billions of years, and its not going anywhere for another "billions of years".... lol. Cheers for now. -ABT-

The biggest opponents are your most loyal converted fans, followers, and practitioners.

As for the doomsday, I highly doubt that too. Humanity has some growing up to do and unfinished businesses to tend to. It would bite the big one if I didn't get a chance to fulfill my purpose if earth, all of a sudden, drops out of the solar system!

I could only hope for positive change, transpersonally, spiritually, and metaphysically..

...I await for Nibiru to come.


KtP

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Originally posted by mr_stamper In our Western societies yes, this is true to an extent. But there are many places in this world in which it is impossible for people to become anything and earn a decent wage. Thousands of people spend their entire lives just earning enough money to live.

this is true, but this is also not what we're talking about. The discussion WAS on western capitalist societies... and my point about having access to all necessities was directed towards this.

good observation though.
-ABT-

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline this is true, but this is also not what we're talking about. The discussion WAS on western capitalist societies... and my point about having access to all necessities was directed towards this. good observation though. -ABT-

actually, his original post was mostly about the current GLOBAL situation, and keeping that in mind, most of his points are valid

it is true that here in the US, and prolly in most western countries, u can work hard and sumday achieve all ur goals and realize ur dreams...but unfortunately this is simply not true for a MAJORITY of the human population today....i'm from india, i came here when i was 14, so by then i knew enuff to know that it's fuckin hard, damn near impossible, for sum1 at the low end of the ladder to become a friggin CEO without resorting to illegal means, and im sure any1 from any other third world country would agree.

its all about perspective, u see. for those who've lived here all their lives, this is the way they see it, and rightly so, because thats the way it SHOULD be, but whats real for u may be just a dream for many others

peace

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 actually, his original post was mostly about the current GLOBAL situation, and keeping that in mind, most of his points are valid it is true that here in the US, and prolly in most western countries, u can work hard and sumday achieve all ur goals and realize ur dreams...but unfortunately this is simply not true for a MAJORITY of the human population today....i'm from india, i came here when i was 14, so by then i knew enuff to know that it's fuckin hard, damn near impossible, for sum1 at the low end of the ladder to become a friggin CEO without resorting to illegal means, and im sure any1 from any other third world country would agree. its all about perspective, u see. for those who've lived here all their lives, this is the way they see it, and rightly so, because thats the way it SHOULD be, but whats real for u may be just a dream for many others peace

I'm sorry then i guess i misunderstood the entire conversation. My post was about the western world (american namely), b/c that is what i saw people talking about.

Again, i was talking about America, b/c that is what i gathered the initial post in this thread was about. sorry.

relax d00d...sorry if i came off kinda on the offense...i understand ur point, its also tru from ur perspective

peace

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it is true that here in the US, and prolly in most western countries, u can work hard and sumday achieve all ur goals and realize ur dreams...but unfortunately this is simply not true for a MAJORITY of the human population today....i'm from india, i came here when i was 14, so by then i knew enuff to know that it's fuckin hard, damn near impossible, for sum1 at the low end of the ladder to become a friggin CEO without resorting to illegal means, and im sure any1 from any other third world country would agree.

Yes, it is nearly impossible in this culture for anyone to ascend to a position of power without either resorting to illegal means, or being born into it..

All the politicians and lawyers hire their friends and family into positions and it's a big system of you scracth my back, I scratch yours..

well I say, we all stop taking it. We all decide, as a group of adults, fuck this, I'm not going to take it anymore. Imagine if every store in the USA simultaneously decided not to charge sales tax, and every consumer decided not to pay sales tax, UNLESS the USA stopped dropping it's bombs.

they would arrest some people, maybe a few token examples, but the majority they would never catch.

and they WOULD stop bombing, at least after they realized we were serious.

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Re: The Revolution Is Coming

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic Hi all, you might not know me, but I have something to say. I'm sick and tired of people walking all over me, of my government deciding how I live, and how I am seen by the rest of the world. I want to put an end to racism, sexism, poverty, and all of societies ills. I want to take the power back from the ones who are abusing it. lofty goals you may say, but it CAN be done. This is the time RIGHT NOW, while your reading this. Here are some quotes from some a friend of mine: I bet you have. this is only one person I talked to today about this. I've been having these discussions ever since the millenium, when I thought the world was going to end, but it didn't. ever since then, I have felt SOMETHING building. and this is it. This earth has existed for a VERY long time, and will continue to exist for a long time. Humanity as a whole has went downhill in the last few years, and we have allowed ourselves to be placated by "the man", governments, the media, the mainstream, the establishment, whatever you want to call it. We have allowed them to tell us what to eat, what to wear, what to do, what to buy, how to live, even what our religions are. But, the balance of power is swinging back to the people now. All nations, all cultures, all religions, realize that it's all one in the same. There is no god, no buddha, no allah. It's all the same thing. Nature and technology, theology and science, they are all part of the same thing. Everything I hear through "them", says we are all different. But when I talk to individuals, we all get it, and feel the same way. The time has come for us to take this back. To make these changes. To take actions and send out the message of universal peace throughout the globe. To send a clear message to them that we will no longer take their shit shoved down our throats, and we will exist above them. Right now is a time of transition, and you must be on the side of the good, or you will regret it very soon. We must prepare for the battle ahead friend. Let everyone know, do not be complacent, or lazy, or take the easy way out. Stand up for what you belive. January 1st 2012, is when the traditional(out of sync) 12 month calendar, and the real 13 month calenday(in sync with the moon) will converge. At this point, the people on the good side will make the switch. We will be about 32 years old by then. We will have the power, the baby boomers long dead relics. We can change this world, make it better, stop wars and hunger and hatred and religious squabbles. But it will take the dedication of hundreds of thousands of people, starting right NOW with me telling you. Some are leaders. I am no leader, but I will do my part. I'm going to devote a website to this, it's been taking shape in my head for a few years now. Which side are you on? I have some ideas, let's hear yours, how can we make this world a better place? you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. prove it. email me at [email protected] if you want to help.

Hmmmm...relax and smoke some weed bro...u are getting all passionate about something will never change. The world will always be a rotting sespool of hate and suffering and there is nothing that u or I can do to change it. It's easier to hate then it is to love...sadly it's more then a cliche, it's true.

Now, i'm being a raving lunatic....i think i'd better stop smoking now

well.. I do smoke a lot of weed actually, that gets the thoughts coming even faster..

they want you to think you can never change it. we can. believe me we can. if we all get together all at once, and decide, fuck it, I'm not taking your shit anymore, then we will have our way..

imagine a rock concert. there are 200 security guards, and 15,000 fans. the fans want to smoke weed. since they greatly outnumber the security, they light up anyway. and they don't get caught, well, maybe one or two of them, but the mass majority of them get to smoke all they want..

life is just like that. there are billions of us out there that want a better world. and only thousands that want this one. the problem is that the thousands control the elections, the tv networks, the laws, the radios.. they make you think you can never beat them.

but we can. it just takes one day that we all decide to not take their shit..

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic well.. I do smoke a lot of weed actually, that gets the thoughts coming even faster.. they want you to think you can never change it. we can. believe me we can. if we all get together all at once, and decide, fuck it, I'm not taking your shit anymore, then we will have our way.. imagine a rock concert. there are 200 security guards, and 15,000 fans. the fans want to smoke weed. since they greatly outnumber the security, they light up anyway. and they don't get caught, well, maybe one or two of them, but the mass majority of them get to smoke all they want.. life is just like that. there are billions of us out there that want a better world. and only thousands that want this one. the problem is that the thousands control the elections, the tv networks, the laws, the radios.. they make you think you can never beat them. but we can. it just takes one day that we all decide to not take their shit..

i understand your scenario here, but it is still wrong. what you desire requires convincing the security guards and EVERYONE associated with them to throw away all their power, money, everything and go with you. otherwise it wont succeed- 'our' numbers are great but their power and control of resources, etc. equalizes this.

you also cant say that only several thousand people 'control' everything. everything we do in the western hemisphere, -EVERYTHING-, choosing food, clothes, where to live, what to buy, even posting on this forum (in many ways) just continues how WE as a society choose to live. what you speak of requires more than everyone who wants something better to say 'i wont take your shit.' we would have to drop everything and depend on nothing. even a drug habit supports our currrent state of affairs, unless you grow your own, without electricity or any purchased materials. see we are all interconnected but that doesnt mean change is easy. we choose things we want or need in our lives and that is why things dont change. one decision may agree with another, but there is another decision somewhere negating it...everything is in balance, some way or another. this 'world peace' and happiness bs is like saying everyone should be rich. it CANT happen because someone is always less so, and will resort to almost any means to do this, which is back to conflict, etc.

personally, you might need to lay off the ganj bro...you should go outside and appreciate all you have, because getting sentimental on TA wont make things better for everyone else on the planet. ok so maybe you dont have to lay off the ganj, thats pretty severe. but seriously, even the lowest peon in western civilization is still more powerful that prolly 60% of other individuals in the world - assuming that person has cash flow...late/

Thanks again for you input biznology.
I do have to disagree with you though.

To change the world, we don't have to convince all the "security guards" to give up their power.

we only need to stop listening to them. I don't have to convince the security guards that smoking pot in the concert is OK, all I have to do is do it, and know that there is little to no chance they will catch me. all I have to do is spread the word through the crowd, and it will catch on.

speaking of drugs, no I don't grow my own, and if I did, I would need to buy the equipment from somwhere, you are very much correct.

I don't think that the whole system should be thrown aside, that will never work. but I think the people should have a say. right now they don't.

there are 2 political parties that you have a choice of voting for, or you can "throw your vote away". I'm talking about the USA here, even though I am from canada. now, both of those parties, are securely in the back pocket of the big tobbacco and pharmaceutical companies. essentially the biggest drug dealers in the world!

the corporations are in control here, the american people have no say.

this is what I propose. an organization of people, that is ABOVE governments. you belong to the organization, and you vote for what is right, and everyone gets a say. then you become your own lobby group, letting the govt of your country know that you will not stand for these injustices.

posting on TA is going to help.. I have also posted the same thing on a firespinning website. I have gotten many replies, emails, encouragement, ideas, from everyone.

once I am prepared, I am going to make my own site similar to this one, and take over the userbase of another site full of intelligent people, that is on it's way out right now.

belive me man, something will come of this.

and no, I will not lay off the ganj.

there is at least a shred of truth here

The Mayans had an incredibly complex calendar and mathematical system. I don't know much about it (there's plenty of books out there about it I'm sure), but I do know that it is very impressive for such an "ancient" culture. What I also remember is that their calendar abuptly ends on a certain date, in 2011 or 2012. I suppose it is the January 1st, 2012 that RavingLunatic mentions.

Is this just a limit of the mathematical system? Or a doomsday date? Mayan writings suggest the latter.

Personally, I keep try to stay skeptical and rational, while at the same time reading as much "crackpot" material as I can. At the very least, guys, don't take everything the media says for granted. Formulate your own conclusions and opinions on everything.

Yes, there is definitely SOME truth to this..

the mayans were a brilliant people.

as for January 2012, who knows what's gonna happen? I certainly don't, but I'm doing all the learning I can in the meantime.

Re: there is at least a shred of truth here

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Originally posted by Grahf The Mayans had an incredibly complex calendar and mathematical system. I don't know much about it (there's plenty of books out there about it I'm sure), but I do know that it is very impressive for such an "ancient" culture. What I also remember is that their calendar abuptly ends on a certain date, in 2011 or 2012. I suppose it is the January 1st, 2012 that RavingLunatic mentions. Is this just a limit of the mathematical system? Or a doomsday date? Mayan writings suggest the latter. Personally, I keep try to stay skeptical and rational, while at the same time reading as much "crackpot" material as I can. At the very least, guys, don't take everything the media says for granted. Formulate your own conclusions and opinions on everything.

Welp, guess I'm part of the crackpot bunch too! hahaha ...Anyhow, there is suppose to be some short of in year 2003, spring or summer. Some planet called Nibiru is going to make a pass near Earth's orbit.

Then, as Mayan calender predicts, in 2012 of December 21st (taken from shroomery.com), is the cycle of the Fire Serpents. Earth will experience catalysmic events worldwide.

It's interesting the Mayan speaks of the 9 dark lords and Hitler was supposedly the last one. But I wonder about STalin and Mao. These two were much worse.


By the time 2003 passes by, I'll mostly be laughing cuz nothing happened.


KtP

yeah well...i'm another one of your friggin crackpots..hehh...read tons of this kind of stuff...from what i see i think there's basically two "schools of thought" so to speak on this issue...the first believes that the passage of the 12th planet (aka "nibiru" as zecharia sitchin says) around 2003 will CAUSE the "shift"..read all about that at www.zetatalk.com

the other one believes that 2012 will be doomsday, but for sum reason they haven't been able to say why exactly, all i can tell so far from reading their stuff is that it's gonna be doomsday

but always be sceptical of everything u read or hear

peace

I will be the ULTIMATE skeptic!!

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 ...zecharia sitchin ... ...2012 will be doomsday, ... peace

Could it possibly be that ol zecharia is on drugs or mentally ill, and that the Mayans stopped counting at 2012? Jus wondering...late/

i know that zecharia sitchin has written about the 12th planet, i really don't know tho how much he said about "the shift" or doomsday, sorry if i gave the wrong impression in my post, but yeah, the 12th planet has been linked by sum to this "shift" aka doomsday, just dont know if zecharia sitchin himself wrote the 12th planet will cause the shift (in tandem with those at zetatalk.com)

peace

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