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Originally posted by mto You're missing screws in that big head of yours. If you really have nothing nice to say to me or to contribute to this discussion, please fuck off. It took me two pages to even get any creative and relevant input due to the fact that I had to battle you for no reason at all. After all, you are no moderator nor are you some big man on this forum, therefore quit judging me and what I wanna post about. I guess that's what I get when I argue with someone called "sandstorm." Jesus Chris did I go below my level.

i think that's the 12894636124634th time he gets bashed for his nick today

but he actually deserves it

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Originally posted by mto Trance is elusively the easiest to make. So everyone is making it.

ummm, crap trance is easy to make.

A shit load of work goes into good trance to make it perfect.

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Originally posted by meneedit ummm, crap trance is easy to make. A shit load of work goes into good trance to make it perfect.

I agree. But since crap is easy to make.. it is wide in circulation. I agree with you though. Again, this is what some dude posted on some website, his/her opinions.

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Originally posted by mto You're missing screws in that big head of yours. If you really have nothing nice to say to me or to contribute to this discussion, please fuck off. It took me two pages to even get any creative and relevant input due to the fact that I had to battle you for no reason at all. After all, you are no moderator nor are you some big man on this forum, therefore quit judging me and what I wanna post about. I guess that's what I get when I argue with someone called "sandstorm." Jesus Chris did I go below my level.

once again, i dont think you even put any personal input into this thread, other then the fact that im missing some screws in my head. Which unfortunately is probably true, but something i can not control.

ps im not called sandstorm, i do have a real name.

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Originally posted by mto I agree. But since crap is easy to make.. it is wide in circulation. I agree with you though. Again, this is what some dude posted on some website, his/her opinions.

Well if some dude posted it on his website, then it must be true

Trance isnt dead, its still alive and healthy, just not discussed on tranceaddict anymore because most tru trance fans have found other message boards where we talk about the positives and tunes that make us feel good, instead of the drama you have to deal with on this board.

PS: I only come on here now to check for DJs playlists, and occasionally will get sucked into one of these stupid threads.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 once again, i dont think you even put any personal input into this thread, other then the fact that im missing some screws in my head. Which unfortunately is probably true, but something i can not control. ps im not called sandstorm, i do have a real name.

Okay. I don't know your real name, sorry.

How i feel is this. I think that low quality music has had an important impact on trance. Due to this I agree with the guy's website. However, I also think that the life-cycle of the genre has come to the full front. We as listeners are looking for something with a different feel to it and all we have been getting lately is remixes of old tracks or new tracks that have been mimics of the older tunes. This of course doesn't apply to everything because we have seen good efforts and we will continue to find them. I just think that quality has dropped due to people getting major money and therefore declining in talent.

When it comes to the states, we're still blind to EDM. I don't know what's it gonna take but I'm really tired of EDM labeled as Techno here in the states, and/or going to club and listening to Jan Wayne, Lasgo, Sammy, Acosta and etc. Miami is not helping musch either, but it has made a dent for sure.

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Originally posted by mto Okay. I don't know your real name, sorry. How i feel is this. I think that low quality music has had an important impact on trance. Due to this I agree with the guy's website. However, I also think that the life-cycle of the genre has come to the full front. We as listeners are looking for something with a different feel to it and all we have been getting lately is remixes of old tracks or new tracks that have been mimics of the older tunes. This of course doesn't apply to everything because we have seen good efforts and we will continue to find them. I just think that quality has dropped due to people getting major money and therefore declining in talent. When it comes to the states, we're still blind to EDM. I don't know what's it gonna take but I'm really tired of EDM labeled as Techno here in the states, and/or going to club and listening to Jan Wayne, Lasgo, Sammy, Acosta and etc. Miami is not helping musch either, but it has made a dent for sure.

i dont think many people here in ny/boston even know Jan Wayne, Lasgo, Sammy, Acosta...

they all listen to rap, or the danny's/sander


alot of people are complaining trance is dead, 99% of them could not even tell you what trance is in the first place.

Any style of music is "easy to make"

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Originally posted by mto I just think that quality has dropped due to people getting major money and therefore declining in talent.

I am assuming you are talking about record sales here, and if you are, you are way wrong. Sales are so low, artists and labels are happy if they break even. If anything quality has dropped way off because artists have had to go get real jobs to pay the bills and spending less time in the studio.

Less money= getting real jobs= less time in studio= less creativity

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth I am assuming you are talking about record sales here, because if you are, you are way wrong. Sales are so low, artists and labels are happy if they break even. If anything quality has dropped way off because artists have had to go get real jobs to pay the bills and spending less time in the studio. Less money= getting real jobs= less time in studio= less creativity

Not talking abour record sales. World class DJs make millions on gigs and playing live, this drops their production qualities which were better before they were world known.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 i dont think many people here in ny/boston even know Jan Wayne, Lasgo, Sammy, Acosta... they all listen to rap, or the danny's/sander alot of people are complaining trance is dead, 99% of them could not even tell you what trance is in the first place.

Exactly. U.S. = blind to EDM. And those that know a little bit, know garbage.

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth I am assuming you are talking about record sales here, and if you are, you are way wrong. Sales are so low, artists and labels are happy if they break even. If anything quality has dropped way off because artists have had to go get real jobs to pay the bills and spending less time in the studio. Less money= getting real jobs= less time in studio= less creativity

sales were up this year=???

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Originally posted by mto Exactly. U.S. = blind to EDM. And those that know a little bit, know garbage.

danny/sander are edm, rap is edm

The only people making sick cash right now are the Tiesto's, PVD's, AVB's and Ferry Corsten's. The rest of the DJs I guarantee are making 10% of what they make.

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth The only people making sick cash right now are the Tiesto's, PVD's, AVB's and Ferry Corsten's. The rest of the DJs I guarantee are making 10% of what they make.

lets see 1k for 4-5 hours of work on the weekend 52 weeks in a year...

$52,000 for 200-250 total hours of work for the year

hard living...

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 danny/sander are edm, rap is edm

Well of course I know that. But rap is a different type of EDM. It is not as production oriented as trance/house/techno/dnb and etc are. Rap is about lyricsm first, at least good rap is. I'm a huge fan of good hip-hop and i don't really associate it with EDM even though it is electronic and it is dance music. It's more of a sampling form of music and music which is oriented to vocal expression.

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Originally posted by mto Well of course I know that. But rap is a different type of EDM. It is not as production oriented as trance/house/techno/dnb and etc are. Rap is about lyricsm first, at least good rap is. I'm a huge fan of good hip-hop and i don't really associate it with EDM even though it is electronic and it is dance music. It's more of a sampling form of music and music which is oriented to vocal expression.

i always thought good rap aka hip hop were about the beats...dj shadow and such

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 i always thought good rap aka hip hop were about the beats...dj shadow and such

Well shadow doesn't focus on lyricism and that's what hip-hop is about. When it originated in the Bronx in late 70's it was about the DJ and we all know about that. But by '83 the lyrical MC was born and it was embodied in Kool Mo Dee. It was about telling stories and rocking the crowd. Late 90's saw the rise of west-coast with g-funk and NYC retaliated with hardcore which focused on concious story-telling. To this day underground hip-hop (which is the good hip hop) is focused on lyricism and skillful sampling. MF Doom, Masta Ace, Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Cormega, and etc are clear examples of this. However, beats are imprtant too that's why producers like ANT, Madlib, Pete Rock and etc are golden.

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Originally posted by mto Well shadow doesn't focus on lyricism and that's what hip-hop is about. When it originated in the Bronx in late 70's it was about the DJ and we all know about that. But by '83 the lyrical MC was born and it was embodied in Kool Mo Dee. It was about telling stories and rocking the crowd. Late 90's saw the rise of west-coast with g-funk and NYC retaliated with hardcore which focused on concious story-telling. To this day underground hip-hop (which is the good hip hop) is focused on lyricism and skillful sampling. MF Doom, Masta Ace, Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Cormega, and etc are clear examples of this. However, beats are imprtant too that's why producers like ANT, Madlib, Pete Rock and etc are golden.

do any of the artists u mentioned have week productions?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 do any of the artists u mentioned have week productions?

ANT produces for Atmosphere and Brother Ali and most of their productions are average or above average.

Madlib produced Madvillainy for MF Doom, and the production quality on there is average to above average as well.

Pete Rock is very innovative and is never below average imo.

However, we're missing a point here, even though that the hip-hop aritsts that I have listed for the most part have good productions, it is not the production that has gotten them to where they are. In hip-hop you gotta battle to achieve a status, and that comes with lyricism and verbal skills. Rapping first, producing second.

Now don't say look at mainstream hip-hop! I know that most guys in the mainstream are weak on the mic, but most mainstream productions are weak too. You got Kanye West doing it big and Dr. Dre.. but other than that if you got a weak flow, you're goin no where quality wise.

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Originally posted by mto Dr. Dre..

dr dre back in nwa & early 90s was great. pioneered west coast rap yet still was genuine

there is skill and talent in rap/hip hop????? whoda thunk it homie??


as for the shitty music out there, blame the big us record companies who will stick a pair of tits on the front of a cd and sell it to every mindless twit thats dumb enough to buy it.

trance and EDM have increased in popularity alot over the past 10 years or so. comercialization was inevitable and now that it is happening the pop spin off with the lasgo's the gigi d'agostinos etc will be part of the music. just deal with it. there will always be great music out there, but instead of 5 of the 10 releases comming out everyweek being good, it will be like 5 in 30 of the releases.

it has nothing to do with ease of production. if you put someone with some basic music training to work they can cram out hits in any style you want... look at brittney spears and jayz and that crew... you think they know what a fuckin piece of sheet music even looks like??? i doubt it...

but making this stupid threads on ta is pointless. first off it always turns into a flame war. TA is populated by genuine trance addicts and prog / techno lurkers who are just here to bash trance and tell the world how great prog and techno are... although techno is pretty kick ass.... cant say the same for prog tho.

not only that but who fuckin cares what the website says. its probably made by a 10 yr old anyways......

trance just simply gets fucking boring.. its not. people start with trance for the most part because for one thing, its largly mainstream, for me at least, its WAY formulaic; its way to limiting aswell, i mean how far can you really go with it? its just loosing its steam, and fast. people who are used to massive breakdowns and hands up in the air, body-covered-in-shivers moments, sure might have a harder time getting used to other genres that dont give off that same feeling, and it might be a little harder to see that other genres can give off that feeling... with some applied attention, a little more knowledge of musical structure and... im just talking out of my ass arnt i?

oh well

anyways this argument is a waste of time.
it all comes down to opinion anyway, and music taste, or lack thereof................

"Trance is for plebs and nonces."

I love that quote.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp as for the shitty music out there, blame the big us record companies who will stick a pair of tits on the front of a cd and sell it to every mindless twit thats dumb enough to buy it.

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