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Originally posted by k la It�s really tragic that the TTC can�t accommodate every drunken tool past last call... last I checked the world doesn�t revolve around a fraction of the population. It would be incredibly stupid to run a line at a major cost just so some club goers can get home... they had enough money to waste on the luxury of booze then they can afford a cab, or wait for the vomit commit like everyone else.

how about shift workers? or people who work in the entertainment industry? Not everyone works 9 to 5. I wish those who run the transit system would realize this. I own a car for precisly this reason.

[quote[The Washington dc line is great??? Smoke crack much? I think it�s really wonderful that the touristy areas have these plush buses you talk of, but for the working person in that city they have a non-existent line. The system is not safe and doesn�t provide near the service in the areas of wealth. But I�m sure you�ve lived in the luxury of having money and not being a minority faced with environmental racism... [/quote]

Environmental racism???? AHAHAHAHAHHA now i think ive heard it all. I didnt realize the environment was a race!

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While we may not have the greatest system, we still have a great system. It could be MILES worse, we really have nothing to complain about� but of course it�s so typical for those that live in excess to be unsatisfied and continue to take at the expense of the poor.

When i have the choice between owning a car and being able to rely on transit i will stop complaining.

When the city stops treating me like a criminal because i dont happen to work 9 to 5 and i need a car or choose to use a car i will stop complaining.

When people like you live in the real world i will stop complaining

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Originally posted by k la Im not denying the fact that it doesnt require improvement, and that there arent systems superior, but that we could be A LOT worse. We take far too much for granted. If more ppl took the TTC they could afford to spend more, the gov't would dish out more... its a cyclical effect, people dont ride as its not the best, and the gov't doesnt fund what it should as too many people ride cars. Comparing marginal utility, the TTC have a far greater value than driving downtown. I dont get road rage in the TTC, I get where I want in virtually the same time and save a bundle of money.

Do you even live in Toronto?

The TTC is packed wall to wall all the time!


The problem is that the federal and provincial governments give virtually no money to support the TTC.

That and the TTC as an entity is pretty wasteful as well

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Originally posted by abort416 and here is a map http://www.wmata.com/metrorail/colormap.pdf of the current washington dc subway system notice how there there lines going all over the city unlike toronto.

You also have to take into account city size.

Washington DC is apparently 177 km^2.
Toronto is 641 km^2.... so more than 3.5x as large... that's a hell of a lot more subway to go "everywhere".

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Originally posted by baystreetboi You also have to take into account city size. Washington DC is apparently 177 km^2. Toronto is 641 km^2.... so more than 3.5x as large... that's a hell of a lot more subway to go "everywhere".

More Subways for Toronto proper and more regular and direct commuter trains from here to hamilton, bowmanville, and barrie along with reliable and efficient local bus services to pick up the passengers in their suburban locales. Why buy a car so u can drive it 10 mins to the train station and park it in a football field sized lot to take the train? Kind of defeats the whole purpose to me!

Mr. Cab Driver...

*honk honk*

I'm a surviver.

I take the TTC every single day to work and school: both are downtown and I live on the westend of the city. Numerous times I've been late because, as usual, there's a delay on the subway.

Or, during rush hour (3-6) the TTC is a fucking joke.

just don't stick your wet tonguer on a fre'e'zin' pollll!!!!!!




p.s. i rarely drive so this truly won't affect me - and I highlyy doubt that this will go into affect and TIME soon!

















looky at the pussy tat's!

ahhhhhhhh!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Environmental racism???? AHAHAHAHAHHA now i think ive heard it all. I didnt realize the environment was a race!

Actually, it refers to the fact the predominantly ethnic communities get dumped on all the time, such as Africville in Nova Scotia. In this sense, the bad areas of Washington get the tail end of the transit service. While the TOURISTY areas with MONEY get the benefits of the system, it comes at the cost of the poor. Poorer area's, which in the states are usually ethnic areas, always are the victims of the richs greed.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Do you even live in Toronto? The TTC is packed wall to wall all the time!

As for do I live in Toronto, I used to live in North York, but moved to Peterborough 2 years ago, but constantly visit. I had to go from Bayview and Sheppard to King and Duffrin almost every day for work when I lived in Toronto, and can say I have no complaints with the system. When I visit I park my car every time.

The TTC gets packed at time... OMG thats terrible, I bet the clubs you go to are empty just so you can rule your dance floor.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 When the city stops treating me like a criminal because i dont happen to work 9 to 5 and i need a car or choose to use a car i will stop complaining. When people like you live in the real world i will stop complaining

They treat you like a criminal??? What b/c they wont loose money for your sake b/c you want to go to a club???

I worked at the Peel Pub for 2 years and never once had a problem. The vomit commit came by quickly and most of the time it wasnt packed.

I dont live in the real world??? Excuse me what??? Just because Im not a spoilt little brat???

Lol

some one mentioned Salt Lake City transit system.

i was there 2 years ago and the system is awesome. it's free to take it downtown and the trains are really new and fancy. not only that but you can simply walk to anywhere important if you live downtown.

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Originally posted by k la Actually, it refers to the fact the predominantly ethnic communities get dumped on all the time, such as Africville in Nova Scotia. In this sense, the bad areas of Washington get the tail end of the transit service. While the TOURISTY areas with MONEY get the benefits of the system, it comes at the cost of the poor. Poorer area's, which in the states are usually ethnic areas, always are the victims of the richs greed.

you are kidding right? No wonder no one takes the word "racism" seriously any more

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As for do I live in Toronto, I used to live in North York, but moved to Peterborough 2 years ago, but constantly visit. I had to go from Bayview and Sheppard to King and Duffrin almost every day for work when I lived in Toronto, and can say I have no complaints with the system. When I visit I park my car every time.

and how long did it take for you to get door to door? ANd at what time?

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The TTC gets packed at time... OMG thats terrible, I bet the clubs you go to are empty just so you can rule your dance floor.

good im glad it gets packed as it should

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They treat you like a criminal??? What b/c they wont loose money for your sake b/c you want to go to a club???

i cant get home after work with transit and that is a fact. Yes im treated like a criminal. Millions spent on traffic calming devices, potential tolls, road systems designed to make life more difficult for motorist etc etc all tell me so

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I worked at the Peel Pub for 2 years and never once had a problem. The vomit commit came by quickly and most of the time it wasnt packed.

great if u happen to live near a line. Try getting anywhere in the suburbs at that hour (where many people live)

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I dont live in the real world??? Excuse me what??? Just because Im not a spoilt little brat???

you are right i am spoiled. You see im one of those evil spoiled car owners that people like you hate. But what you dont realize is that i dont want to be an evil spoiled car hater. But unfortunately the current state of affairs when it comes to city transit forces me to be one.

Should I pay 5.00 when I take a shit in a public washroom ?

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Originally posted by E2EK1EL Should I pay 5.00 when I take a shit in a public washroom ?

According to this type of mentality the answer would be yes

As has been said before in this thread, it would be a great idea if our subway system wasn't FUCKING PATHETIC! There is nothing that irks me more about this city than the TTC. There is no reason it should be as bad as it is.

No wonder Toronto's nightlife sucks ass. Here are the options for my group of friends that live in my area:

1. Go to a club sober so you can drive home.
2. Drive home drunk.
3. Take a $30 cab home
4a. Walk to University Ave.
b. Wait 15-30 minutes in freezing cold
c. Board
d. Get off at bloor
e. Wait 15-20 minutes in the freezing cold
f. Take bus for 30 minutes to get home
e. Get off bus
f. Take $7 taxi home

Sure it's not bad doing this every once in a while (except for option 2), but it certainly gets tiring to do it too often.

You want to ease up grid lock? FIX THE FUCKING TTC!!!

Someone in my family (can't remember who right now, I've been drinkin' again), was in dallas last year. apparently they don't have ANY public transit in that city.

Now I don't recall what traffic congestion is like in that city, but if there's no transit, they must've invested alot in maintaining the roads.

Now, I look at Toronto, and I think to myself, Wow. Sometimes I think they simply don't care at all about infrastructure. The roads are decaying, the streetcars are useless, the subway's pathetic. The population is growing, downtown is getting more and more dense thanks to Condo development. The city's population is growing up AND out at the same time, and transit isn't showing any signs of even TRYING to keep up.

Tolls in the core will only make things worse for everyone. Those who rely on cars for whatever reason will be more screwed, and the subways and streetcars will be more crowded.

I've seen this city from the POV of the transit user, the downtown driver, and the out-of-towner. Unless they can come up with an ass-load of money (like higher property taxes on luxury condos or some other way to chisle the rich folk), it's only a matter of time before the city collapses under it's own weight.

Yaaaaaaay rant!

when i was readin this earlier, i thought it said polls, opps!

well i understand and watched all about this sproposed idea on the news while eattin' dinner this evening.

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Originally posted by k la Actually, it refers to the fact the predominantly ethnic communities get dumped on all the time, such as Africville in Nova Scotia. In this sense, the bad areas of Washington get the tail end of the transit service. While the TOURISTY areas with MONEY get the benefits of the system, it comes at the cost of the poor. Poorer area's, which in the states are usually ethnic areas, always are the victims of the richs greed.

What on earth are you on, dude... is it not common sense that those with more money get more benefits? Or are you a communist? The system doesn't come at the COST of the poor at all, it comes at the COST of the rich because they're footing the bill. It's when the GOVERNMENT builds it then it comes at the cost of the poor, because EVERYBODY pays taxes, not just the RICH.

In case you hadn't realized, things like subways cost money. Money has to come from somewhere. There's essentially two choices: either the "rich" people pay for it (free market), or everybody pays for it (socialist) - which do you honestly prefer?

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Originally posted by TDG Unless they can come up with an ass-load of money (like higher property taxes on luxury condos or some other way to chisle the rich folk), it's only a matter of time before the city collapses under it's own weight.

How about the Liberals take that 9.1 billion that they have stashed in foundations and put it to good use and give it all to Toronto?

pdf alert

http://www.central.on.caa.ca/CAA_Mo...xpressnosur.pdf

am I repeating myself by saying that paying off our debt with those huge surpluses is stupid considering how our infrastructures are lacking?!?!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The TTC is packed wall to wall all the time! The problem is that the federal and provincial governments give virtually no money to support the TTC. That and the TTC as an entity is pretty wasteful as well

ALL these points here are %1000 true...Bottom line is that the government (prov. or fed.) have no vision.They pay consultants HUGE bucks for planning & they either go half-ass or do nothing...

As for the TTC being wasteful???...dude you have NO idea...I work there fixing buses and you wouldn't believe how many "staff" jobs management have created.Even the location I'm at they have more staff positions that are SO not necessary.A survey of documents indicated that the TTC had 27 people earning $100,000 or more in 1999 (this was during the then CGM David Gunn's reign).By 2003 the number had more then TRIPLED to 86

Another lil tidbit I have for you is that the pay of the current CGM Rick Ducharme, who moved over from GO Transit in 2000, had soared from $164,997 to $241,519 by 2003 , even though the annual inflation rate never passed 2.8 percent in that time period.

The previous CGM David Gunn let go ALOT of the unecessary staff & streamlined the management & hired a shitload of the skilled workers (like me ).He was payed a fair salary but this CGM Rick Ducharme should have his ass FIRED for the RE-hiring even MORE staff then before and increasing the TTC budget...

Something else that the media is NOT telling you guys with all the articles in the Sun & Star lately....Our contract expires April 1st of THIS year

You wanna see some crazy transit systems? Check out Tokyo! Everything's automated... they only hire people to push you onto the trains. Then again, the population is bigger in Tokyo, so they can afford it.

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Originally posted by malek am I repeating myself by saying that paying off our debt with those huge surpluses is stupid considering how our infrastructures are lacking?!?!

There's more than enough room to do both.

ive been having good experiences lately but im just on a good luck streak.
everyday the king streetcar and queen streetcar are so packed and the next day theres never any extra streetcars....dont they notice this shit?

Re: Pay up! Tolls may be coming to downtown streets

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Originally posted by Jayx1 This will kill downtown pretty fast Ive got an idea. Spend some money on incentives for people to buy hybrid vehicles. Build some highways and make it easier for cars to get around instead of the current congestion caused by a lack of road space and spend some money on massive upgrades to our transit system. Tolls are another wag the dog idea that will do nothing but discourage people from going downtown.

This is the case in central London and it hasn't discouraged people from going there. Its meant to encourage public transit.

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