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Posted by Fundamental on Feb-11-2005 04:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Nou
Just wait and if the clock goes closer to midnight, then we can start to worry.




Ah the Doomsday Clock. Reminds me of this...

2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom.
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb.


Ok, so it's 7 minutes to midnight at the moment, but the way things are going we might see this again...


Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 04:36:

quote:
Originally posted by mto
Hmm. I don't know. I think U.S. needs forces to remain in SK just to have a tiny overseer of what NK does.


Never said all forces would leave South Korea, just the manuever brigades. Support troops would reposition and remain. But, basically no teeth. Combat forces would be aggressively inserted to counterattack at the onset of hostilities.

I know this thread is beginning to alienate most, but I'll continue to post if you want to discuss the issue in depth. Take it to the Pol Forum.


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Posted by mto on Feb-11-2005 04:41:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Never said all forces would leave South Korea, just the manuever brigades. Support troops would reposition and remain. But, basically no teeth. Combat forces would be aggressively inserted to counterattack at the onset of hostilities.

I know this thread is beginning to alienate most, but I'll continue to post if you want to discuss the issue in depth. Take it to the Pol Forum.


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No, actually I understood what you said now. I mean, I know you're far more informed probably, but that made sense to me too.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-11-2005 04:46:

Thumbs up

HAHAHA I love this!!!North Korea is fuckin U.S up the ass and America cant/wont do shit about it.It is about time somebody with balls to stand up against Bush.

Bush wants certain countries not have nukes,I say fuck you get rid of yours and then come and talk.


GO NK GO


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-11-2005 04:49:

quote:
Originally posted by mto
I know you're far more informed probably


Apeshit the redneck is informed? looooooooooool


Dont believe everything that you hear.Do your own research first.


Posted by Zenchowdah on Feb-11-2005 04:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Fundamental
Ah the Doomsday Clock. Reminds me of this...

2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom.
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb.


Ok, so it's 7 minutes to midnight at the moment, but the way things are going we might see this again...

haha
i thought of that too


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-11-2005 04:55:

quote:
Originally posted by mto
I really hope this is true and that they are sane enough not to do anything stupid. For all I know, this can be a signal for WWIII. Scary shit.



I am not worried about Nk starting WW3,however Iam worried about America and that psycho Bush.

If you dont want a WW3 perhaps you should look at your own country first.They are the ones causing the wars here.


Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 04:59:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Apeshit the redneck is informed? looooooooooool


Dont believe everything that you hear.Do your own research first.


Lol! The Ape works for DOD!


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Posted by Greedy on Feb-11-2005 05:40:

i dont think the US is scared of NK but more like taking the back seat because its really up to the whole community of nations that needs to be involved, especially NK's surrounding neighbors.


Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-11-2005 05:50:

quote:
Originally posted by simplyatbliss
America has nukes but want others to stop making them? Hmm..


The U.S. isn't threatening North Korea, but NK is threatening the U.S.


Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-11-2005 05:53:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Apeshit the redneck is informed? looooooooooool


Dont believe everything that you hear.Do your own research first.



Smokeape served 5 tours in Korea. He's married to a Korean and has half-Korean kids.






here's a towel to wipe the egg off your face


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-11-2005 05:55:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Smokeape served 5 tours in Korea. He's married to a Korean and has half-Korean kids.



Good for him


Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-11-2005 05:57:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Good for him


I know you're interested in this because of what's going on in Iran.

But I'm curious.

I thought you and your family hated the revolution and the mullahs? Why aren't you supporting the U.S.?


Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 06:08:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Smokeape served 5 tours in Korea. He's married to a Korean and has half-Korean kids.

here's a towel to wipe the egg off your face



F*ck, I must've posted a bio when I was drunk, like now. Anyhow, I am infinitely familiar with the nK threat as are most military planners and our plans are to utterly destroy the nK war machine if they attack the south. We really cannot stop the opposite, and by pulling forces out of Korea, we also risk the threat of South Korea attacking nK and triggering a war, which most folks don't comprehend.


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Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-11-2005 06:12:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
F*ck, I must've posted a bio when I was drunk, like now. Anyhow, I am infinitely familiar with the nK threat as are most military planners and our plans are to utterly destroy the nK war machine if they attack the south. We really cannot stop the opposite, and by pulling forces out of Korea, we also risk the threat of South Korea attacking nK and triggering a war, which most folks don't comprehend.


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Posted by Spartan on Feb-11-2005 06:13:

whats so funny about peace, love and understanding??


Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 06:34:

NO loose lips here. I will not post anything which is not available through media sources. Folks forget why we left forces in Korea to begin with. nK and the South both have constitutions claiming sovereignty over the entire peninsula, which basically means they have the right to govern each other's territory. The Korean War ended in a truce and a military demarcation line (DMZ) across the peninsula based on the positioning of opposing forces at the time. Pork Chop Hill and Heartbreak Ridge of fame are in nK hands, since the nK and Chinese forces owned the territory when the truce was signed for instance. nK has positioned 75% of its forces agressively within the first 100km of the DMZ with embedded artillery. The only reason you would position artillery forces on the forward line is to support an attack and not a defense. Oh, BTW nK has a million man Army for real. It's not like the million man Army Iraq claimed. This one is for real. The US is not afraid of this force with its decrepit weapon systems; the US would slaughter them wholesale. The problem is the WMD nK possesses, including limited nukes, substantial chemical munitions, and biological weapons. Seoul, Korea with about 10 million people is within the long range munition fans of these WMDs. We fear the wholesale slaughter of the civilian population of South Korea within these fans before US forces wreak a wholesale slaughter of their military in kind.

Time for another beer...I told you to post this on political forum.


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Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 06:59:

Not really. The war would be over in about six months from the onset resulting in the destruction of nK forces and it's ability to wage war. It would take us about 3 months to position sufficient forces to destroy their war machine. They have a real million man Army. We can't expect any shorter timelines with conventional warfare. If nK decides to go nuclear, we can certainly end the war within a day with a massive counterstrike. End result in any scenario is basically suicide if nK attacks. They can't attack a little bit and back off begging a truce. The US will go full bore for the throat and destruction of their government, infastructure, and military forces at the first strike. This scenario is old hat for military. Problem is the war would create millions of civilian casualties which are unavoidable and cannot be prevented.


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Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 07:09:

Yep, this one would be a total ass whipping with no big deal about insurgents, etc. but one never knows these days. You need to consider the magnitude of potential civilian casualties in the millions which would outweigh the ultimate victory. nK has an arsenal of WMD (chemical and biological, not including nukes) which are sufficient to inflict severe casualties on the densely populated northern areas of South Korea within 30-40 miles of the DMZ.


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Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-11-2005 07:17:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
I thought you and your family hated the revolution and the mullahs? Why aren't you supporting the U.S.?



I want the mullahs out and so do many others BUT there is no need for the US to come and invade Iran and give us their so called bullshit democracy like what they did in Iraq.

America fucked Iran over once by bringing the mullahs in there,and people know now what a huge mistake that was.So now they wont let another country to get involve with their problems again.

Just like Iran's revolution and the mullahs taking over the country. The same is also happening in Iraq right now.


Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 07:21:

The ROKA can hold off a nK offensive for a while. We have enough MLRS batteries to pound them nonstop along the avenues of approach for 3-4 weeks. And that's one helluva lot of firepower. All we really need to do is check the attack so we can counterattack and destroy them. We cannot stop the damage and carnage caused by a nK strike on the populace if they launch.


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Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 07:34:

You're persistent if nothing else. Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) can take out grid squares (1000m x 1000m) on a battery launch. This seems like a lot, but is meaningless unless you hit the right grid square target where the enemy is located. Mindlessly launching munitions downrange with no target is called interdiction fire aand tends to scare the enemy, but not physically impede him unless you get lucky on a launch and actually hit forces. You have to take this all in perspective as well though, since we don't normally launch munitions for the helluva it. Sometimes we might aim to just knock out bridges and choke points.


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Posted by smokeape on Feb-11-2005 07:45:

Silly boy. MLRS outranges tube arty any day. But cannot stop effects of shorter range fires by the enemy. You also have to understand the primary targets of MLRS is counterbattery fire (i.e., killing the enemy artillery batteries). Once enemy batteries are destroyed, they might then concentrate on other targets.

Lol!

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Posted by DjEuphoria on Feb-11-2005 08:36:

nothing to worry about. I see all this war and hating each other plain bs. I mean how come we all just cant get a long, damn is it that hard. Why hate a country, unless they did something to yours, in which they shouldn't haved.

Im pretty sure this isn't what god wanted when he created this universe. I mean the whole world would have been better and safer if weapons were never created. Same with money man, I mean wtf, machines make money but yet you have to work hard for it. Have you ever thought about it like this.

Like who once said, ah you have to pay me this certain amount if you want this, you can pay by(whatever was first created as money). Who the fuck created this shit? Like the richest person should be whoever the hell created the money we see today(when was it first used?)did they use dollar bills and 5 dollar bills in the 1800's? What I would wanted was, just give it out. I mean why is there countries which are damn poor when you can just give them money? How is it costing anybody if you just make it?(this counting your only lost is those in which it cost to produce money, but yet with that same machine that makes millions a day you can just buy a shitload of more).

Why come up with the idea you have to work for money?(hes a damn biatch for whoever created this)Well I think some of you will get confused cause what I have in my mind about these thoughts, its hard to write down. But yeah my point is, just like with weapons, this whole money thing shouldn't have been created, cause if it didn't we would all live happier lifes and it just makes since to me.


Posted by mongeone on Feb-11-2005 09:17:

quote:
Originally posted by DjEuphoria
nothing to worry about. I see all this war and hating each other plain bs. I mean how come we all just cant get a long, damn is it that hard. Why hate a country, unless they did something to yours, in which they shouldn't haved.

Im pretty sure this isn't what god wanted when he created this universe. I mean the whole world would have been better and safer if weapons were never created. Same with money man, I mean wtf, machines make money but yet you have to work hard for it. Have you ever thought about it like this.

Like who once said, ah you have to pay me this certain amount if you want this, you can pay by(whatever was first created as money). Who the fuck created this shit? Like the richest person should be whoever the hell created the money we see today(when was it first used?)did they use dollar bills and 5 dollar bills in the 1800's? What I would wanted was, just give it out. I mean why is there countries which are damn poor when you can just give them money? How is it costing anybody if you just make it?(this counting your only lost is those in which it cost to produce money, but yet with that same machine that makes millions a day you can just buy a shitload of more).

Why come up with the idea you have to work for money?(hes a damn biatch for whoever created this)Well I think some of you will get confused cause what I have in my mind about these thoughts, its hard to write down. But yeah my point is, just like with weapons, this whole money thing shouldn't have been created, cause if it didn't we would all live happier lifes and it just makes since to me.


Dud you should be a politician in Queensland Australia I hear them folks like people like you. *flashbacks to the finance advisro for the one nation party saying that if australia needs more money `we should just print it"*

What you said was pure crap... if you thought about it a little deeper... Money has no value by itself its what it represents. You work for a certain amount of time get paid for it and with that money, that represents the effort you have put in, you go and buy soemthing that has had effort put into it (Hopefully you dont pay more of your times worth than what went into the thing). printing money off willynilly destroys its connection with time/effort/work etc and soon you wont even be able to buy a loaf of bread without a wheelbarrow full of $1,000,000 bills. We could get rid of it and go back to swapping oranges for apples and shit but honestly who the fuck wants to take a tonne of oranges down to the local electronics shop to buy a fkn TV or something. Money is just a convenient way to sort out the problems of commerce.


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