This is crazy...Can This Black Box See Into the Future?

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Posted by Poncho on Feb-14-2005 04:41:

im not an expert on this stuff or anything, but some of the people i kno tell me that nothing is random. Everything is planned out, fate, whatever. So when someone tells a machine to give a random output. is it really random?

cool stuff

Posted by Boomer187 on Feb-14-2005 05:58:

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Originally posted by Poncho
im not an expert on this stuff or anything, but some of the people i kno tell me that nothing is random. Everything is planned out, fate, whatever. So when someone tells a machine to give a random output. is it really random?

cool stuff

I am guessing that those people you kno are not biologists.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Feb-14-2005 12:01:

one zero zero one zero zero zero zero one...

Posted by tribu on Feb-15-2005 07:14:

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Originally posted by Nou
If anyone was watching them last night, the actual live graphs, http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ were going fuckin nuts....

then today we had the assassination of the former PM of Lebenon and that huge mine explosion in China....

They are still going nuts right now...

Those frequent mine explosions in China is the Chinese government disposing of dissenters. Rather than put them in concentration type camps, or sentencing them to work menial labor, they are sealing large groups of them inside stripped mines with deliberate explosions.

Not really, but it's an interesting theory...

Posted by fuct4less on Feb-15-2005 07:22:

Doodz, it doesn't predict teh futar, it creates teh futar ... OHMYGAAAAAAAAWD.

Posted by Flyboy217 on Feb-15-2005 07:50:

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Originally posted by Boomer187
I didn't read the article, nor do I want to, but you can use atmospheric noise, or radioactive decay to obtain true random numbers.

Radioactive decay is a quantum mechanical process and hence inherently random. Why would atmospheric noise be?

Posted by Desielmo4 on Feb-16-2005 01:44:

I don't post here much but i've been reading these forums for about two years. Anyway, as a chem major with a minor in physics, my best guess about how atmospheric noise can be considered a source to derive arbitrary numbers is based on it's ability to convey frequencies (noises, sounds, temperature [temp. is heat and heat is nothing more than energy and thermal energy travels as waves]). It's ability to convey frequencies is dependant on the concentrations of certain molecules and other matter in the atmosphere. These concentrations are influenced by an infinite number of conditions and thereby making them a viable source for arbitrary numerical sequences. Please bear in mind that these conditions have a very minimal chance of being exactly identical(to the highest degree of precision attainable) on two or more occaisons and therefore prove to be a much better source of "randomness" than any CPU.

Please note that all of the above is merely an educated guess. If you disagree or know otherwise, please do chime in as I'm always looking to learn.

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