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What malek is said is true, they could have killed Walid Jumblatt, a Druze leader of the opposition who has held that position for quite a while.

Now about who did it, the first thing i'd like to say is that as a lebanese i'm a little angered at the fact that people not of lebanese descent dismiss the fact that it was Syria. I would bet my bottom dollar on the fact that it was Syria. You non-lebanese don't know what the syrians did to lebanon from 1975-1990. they killed a president, a president-elect, a few prime ministers and several parliamentarians, including Walid Jumblatt's father who was an outspoken critic of Syria.
The Mossad and the CIA can easily be blamed because it would seem that both the US and Israel would have something to possibly gain from this. Even I, no fan of either the US or Israel, do not believe it was either one of them. this entire affair reeks of syrian intelligence. ******s.

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Originally posted by DR86 What malek is said is true, they could have killed Walid Jumblatt, a Druze leader of the opposition who has held that position for quite a while. Now about who did it, the first thing i'd like to say is that as a lebanese i'm a little angered at the fact that people not of lebanese descent dismiss the fact that it was Syria. I would bet my bottom dollar on the fact that it was Syria. You non-lebanese don't know what the syrians did to lebanon from 1975-1990. they killed a president, a president-elect, a few prime ministers and several parliamentarians, including Walid Jumblatt's father who was an outspoken critic of Syria. The Mossad and the CIA can easily be blamed because it would seem that both the US and Israel would have something to possibly gain from this. Even I, no fan of either the US or Israel, do not believe it was either one of them. this entire affair reeks of syrian intelligence. ******s.

Well there you go, if you're not from Lebanon then you don't know what you're talking about!!

I've never been to Israel or America

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well there you go, if you're not from Lebanon then you don't know what you're talking about!! I've never been to Israel or America

good job totally misunderstanding what i was saying. all i meant was that to know the true intricacies of the Lebanese problems, it would be preferable to have some experience in the country.

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Originally posted by DR86 good job totally misunderstanding what i was saying. all i meant was that to know the true intricacies of the Lebanese problems, it would be preferable to have some experience in the country.

No I think I understood what you were saying as your last post proves as well...just cos you live there does not make you an expert on the matter does it? Nor does it mean other people's opinions are any less valid than yours (in fact they may be more valid when you take possible bias into account)

Do you still live in Lebanon btw?

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Originally posted by George Smiley No I think I understood what you were saying as your last post proves as well...just cos you live there does not make you an expert on the matter does it? Nor does it mean other people's opinions are any less valid than yours (in fact they may be more valid when you take possible bias into account) Do you still live in Lebanon btw?

I'm not going to get into a shit-flinging contest about my credentials in the matter.

and no I've actually never lived in lebanon althogh my extended family is still there and i visit often.

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Originally posted by DR86 I'm not going to get into a shit-flinging contest about my credentials in the matter. and no I've actually never lived in lebanon althogh my extended family is still there and i visit often.

Dont worry I have no intention of throwing my shit at you

So basically you have been to Lebanon on holiday and that makes you an expert on Lebanon does it?

Have you ever considered taking a trial for the Irish football team? You sound like a pretty good candidate!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Dont worry I have no intention of throwing my shit at you So basically you have been to Lebanon on holiday and that makes you an expert on Lebanon does it? Have you ever considered taking a trial for the Irish football team? You sound like a pretty good candidate!

No actually what makes me an expert on it is that it has been my passion for many years now. we get LBC and al-jazeera on satellite tv and my family is always up-to-date on lebanese politics. my immediate family lived in beirut throughout the war years and moved only 4 years before it ended, giving them a first-hand experience and welath of knowledge on lebanese history and politics. they passed that information down to me.

now leave me alone, you're honestly really annoying.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well there you go, if you're not from Lebanon then you don't know what you're talking about!!

Well, I would tend to agree with that. Unlike the US and Israel (whose politics are always in the news for whatever reason) countries like Lebanon only make the limelight every couple of years (when was the last time you heard of Lebanese politics before this assasination?). There are a lot of intricacies of a country you wouldn't get unless you are exposed to its media or have some other connection (family, lots of friends etc.).

I don't think this killing will not be different than all the other killings that took place in Lebanon over the past quarter of century--Meaning that it will go down the history books as another one of those unsolves mysteries.

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Originally posted by razmataz Well, I would tend to agree with that. Unlike the US and Israel (whose politics are always in the news for whatever reason) countries like Lebanon only make the limelight every couple of years (when was the last time you heard of Lebanese politics before this assasination?). There are a lot of intricacies of a country you wouldn't get unless you are exposed to its media or have some other connection (family, lots of friends etc.).

Well I suppose it depends on what you do and where you get your information from. Fair enuf if somebody knows nothing about Lebanon then writes a load of rubbish about it then you may want to criticise them. But you cannot assume everyone who does not live in Lebanon knows nothing about it cos it aint true!

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we all know that syria did it
SYRIA OUT SYRIA OUT

If the syrian do this, it's exactly like if the commit a suicide.
Imo Israel and USA can do this but why just now ? Hariri could win the next elections in Liban, but the Syria is their next target, and they can want to 'evilise' this country (especially the governement and the king).
The integrist can too do that, because they want to do a revolution and create a theocracy.

So, we'll never know.

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Originally posted by d-miurge If the syrian do this, it's exactly like if the commit a suicide. Imo Israel and USA can do this but why just now ? Hariri could win the next elections in Liban, but the Syria is their next target, and they can want to 'evilise' this country (especially the governement and the king). The integrist can too do that, because they want to do a revolution and create a theocracy. So, we'll never know.

yup some wierd stuff. i read recently that the pro-syrian PM is considering resigning. strange how some people believe that the syrian gov't would set out to do this considering the negative consequences that the killing has unleashed on the syrian gov't.


i also find it strange that the UN would unertake an investigation into the death. since when does the UN undertake such task? its the killing of one citizen (he was a former pm, not current). strange.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange yup some wierd stuff. i read recently that the pro-syrian PM is considering resigning. strange how some people believe that the syrian gov't would set out to do this considering the negative consequences that the killing has unleashed on the syrian gov't.

You are assuming the Syrians are gifted with a powerful ability of foresight so they are able to predicit the future and what would happen.

In reality, we could never have expected this type of reaction really - the reaction might have bene equally anti-Israel, or anti-USA if somehow Syria/Lebanon would place blame on them.

Just because the reaction is so strong and powerfully anti-Syrian, it doesn't mean it was obvious it was going to be this way.

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Originally posted by Yoepus You are assuming the Syrians are gifted with a powerful ability of foresight so they are able to predicit the future and what would happen. In reality, we could never have expected this type of reaction really - the reaction might have bene equally anti-Israel, or anti-USA if somehow Syria/Lebanon would place blame on them. Just because the reaction is so strong and powerfully anti-Syrian, it doesn't mean it was obvious it was going to be this way.

u have a point, but i don't think it requires much or any foresight to anticipate certain types of reactions, some more liklely than others.

think of the israeli and palastenian situation. if there was a suicide bomber that kills several israelis in tel aviv, guess who the israeli gov't would first blame? yup, the palestinians. and if these was a reprisal attack on the palestinians (there always seems to be), anyone wishing israel to attack the palastenians would have to engineer a suicide bombing to set off the chain of events. pretty simple tactic. no foresight is necessary, just an educated guess about what would be more likely to happen.

but you may be right tho. the syrians could have anticipated some reaction from the lebanese and global community, but not to this degree. this is all strange.

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