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HAHAHA you just got owned!!


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/24/mi...e.ap/index.html

Interceptor missile hits test target


WASHINGTON (AP) -- An experimental naval interceptor shot down a short-range ballistic missile target during a test over the Pacific Ocean on Thursday, missile defense officials said.

It is the fifth kill in six tries for the interceptor, called a Standard Missile-3, said Rick Lehner, a spokesman for the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency.

During the test, a target ballistic missile, similar to a Scud, was launched from the island of Kauai at 4 p.m. ET. The USS Lake Erie, a cruiser equipped with the Aegis radar system and stationed 100 miles offshore, tracked the ballistic missile and then fired the interceptor to shoot it down. Two minutes later, the missiles collided.

The SM-3 interceptor will be deployed on ships later this year, Lehner said.

Also involved in the test was the Aegis destroyer USS Russell, which tested some of its missile-tracking systems.

The SM-3 doesn't have the range of the experimental land-based national missile defenses located in Alaska and California, and it is envisioned for use in protecting allies or U.S. forces from short-range ballistic missiles launched over a body of water. Potential scenarios where it could see action include missiles fired by North Korea at Japan, or by China at Taiwan.

However, the tracking system on some naval vessels is designed to assist in hunting intercontinental ballistic missiles.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew why not put that money into researching something that would actually be useful instead?

like what? uncovering why the universe was formed? how species were created? What exists beyond the current known smallest layer of an atom?
Why the literature of Shakespear is better than the literature Charles Dickens? Why chimpanzes have sex? How come mosquites have a virus from Egypt? Or why the greek odyseey is the origin of Roman foundation lure?

Most science is useless if you want to look at it that way...

At least this science can shoot down something in the air. That's not bad.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf HAHAHA you just got owned!! http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/24/mi...e.ap/index.html Interceptor missile hits test target WASHINGTON (AP) -- An experimental naval interceptor shot down a short-range ballistic missile target during a test over the Pacific Ocean on Thursday, missile defense officials said. It is the fifth kill in six tries for the interceptor, called a Standard Missile-3, said Rick Lehner, a spokesman for the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency. During the test, a target ballistic missile, similar to a Scud, was launched from the island of Kauai at 4 p.m. ET. The USS Lake Erie, a cruiser equipped with the Aegis radar system and stationed 100 miles offshore, tracked the ballistic missile and then fired the interceptor to shoot it down. Two minutes later, the missiles collided. The SM-3 interceptor will be deployed on ships later this year, Lehner said. Also involved in the test was the Aegis destroyer USS Russell, which tested some of its missile-tracking systems. The SM-3 doesn't have the range of the experimental land-based national missile defenses located in Alaska and California, and it is envisioned for use in protecting allies or U.S. forces from short-range ballistic missiles launched over a body of water. Potential scenarios where it could see action include missiles fired by North Korea at Japan, or by China at Taiwan. However, the tracking system on some naval vessels is designed to assist in hunting intercontinental ballistic missiles.

How is this very impressive. The US was shooting down SCUDs a decade ago. It is the land based ones that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

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Originally posted by swilly who fucking cares what some idiot in the army thinks about the whole matter. That would be like taking the advice of bulldozer operator on a major decision in your engineering company. He is just paid muscle or in this case a bullet recepticle who cares what he has to think? Naturally, those in the army are supportive of the whole matter. The armed forces is by nature one of the most rascist, unprogressive and closed minded canadian instituions. I should now i was there for a summer. I remember once being drilled on potential threats of nuclear attack from nations like russia. I was like " umm sir the cold war is over you know?" "Give me 20 private lavell I dont want anymore of this school talk in my unit!" Ya great people to take advice from. While we are it i know some people up at the lumber mill who might be able to provide some insight into Natural resource management hahahhaha

Comparing the finest, and most respected military mind in Canada, with your former drill instructor speaks volumes about your argument.

That it has no basis in fact.

I'm more inclined to agree with him, than someone on a message boad spouting random beliefs like they are facts.

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Originally posted by swilly Wooo whoo there is an extra 10 billion per year we can use for public transit, education and healthcare.

No where in your posted article have you backed this, or any other of your claims.

I'm not for this shield, but in the articles posted here it seems that Canada's role with the BMD wouldn't differ than our current NORAD position and finances.

Martin even signed an agreement stating that the BMD would inherit NORAD's current role. The only thing being asked of Canada was to take the monitoring of the stations role, like we do the current radar net.

Oh, and political backing, that if used as leverage with the US instead of voters, would have benefitted Canada. But the Liberals as always are concerned more with their powerbase than the welfare of the nation.

Nowhere has it been stated that we are being asked to fund the development of the project. WE would have likely benefitted financially in the aerospace and robotics industries from research and development grants, like we do with the CANADARM/NASA relationship.

Until I see a print article detailing "billions" of Canadian dollars required, you don't have an argument to stand on, aside from your prattling hatred of George Bush. (something we can both agree on)

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Wow, you're less informed than I initially thought. http://fas.org/nuke/control/start2/...sstart2bill.htm

Eh?

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BMD is not aimed that Russia, China and others, at least not initially. Those countries are still in check due to MAD. BMD is protection against rouge nations and groups.

Well that is what they say but it is irrelevent who is the intended target (especially for China) as it has implications for deterrence, which is why these countries fear it

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Originally posted by Yoepus look this isn't a big freakin deal. If it works, fine, we have more security. If it doesn't, well science is all the better for it. I really view this as just one big scientific fund...

Well the thing is whether it works or not becomes irrelevent when reactions of other countries come into it. China and Russia cannot devise strategies based on best case scenarios. They must plan based on the worst case scenario that it works as intended (and as I said before, if it does work as intended it would nulify China's very modest nuclear arsenal) The easiest way to counter BMD is simply to increase your arsenal to have the same level of success/deterrent and more nuclear weapons in the world cannot be considered a good thing. Another easy way to counter BMD is to increase the sophistication of ballistic missiles (equiping them with decoys etc) so BMD could lead to more nuclear weapons and more sophisticated delivery systems

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Originally posted by auujay How is this very impressive. The US was shooting down SCUDs a decade ago. It is the land based ones that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

No a decade ago they missed all the scuds!!

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf HAHAHA you just got owned!!

Don't get too excited, it still doesn't work!

Not one component of the BMD has been tested under realistic conditions (the missiles were fired on a predetermined flightpath, and the ground team were given this information) Also, the BMD will not be tested with all of its components until 2007.

The PAC-3 has had many "succesful" test flights but none under realistic conditions. Also, THAAD was a complete joke, and they didn't even give it a second successful intercept, they just gave Lockheed Martain (think it was them) the $4billion contract!

Also, there is a more imminent threat from al-Qaida launching cruise missiles from freighters off the coast of America, not only is nothing being done to defend against this threat, the BMD offers no protection either (it is claimed the PAC-3 has the capability to intercept cruise missiles but in reality it has not been able to do so)

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Originally posted by George Smiley I am not sure which countries (or even terrorist groups) he is refering to which have as their stated goal the destruction of America and her allies? Also, he goes onto say how nasty these regimes are cos they kill kids, cut heads of etc and tries to tell us that this means they are capable of launching nukes at America and signing their death sentense?! This guy is an idiot! (Unlike the leaders of these countries he is describing I might add...)

Shadowwolf was pointing out to your lack of information here.

Mackenzie is talking about not only Al-Queda and other muslim terrorist groups but those nations currently @ odds with the US ranging from North Korea and China, to Iran, Syria et all.

The first part of his example is directed @ terroist groups, like the Bali Bombing as well as the current climate in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Shadowwolf was pointing out to your lack of information here. Mackenzie is talking about not only Al-Queda and other muslim terrorist groups but those nations currently @ odds with the US ranging from North Korea and China, to Iran, Syria et all. The first part of his example is directed @ terroist groups, like the Bali Bombing as well as the current climate in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

Its not a lack of information, its just that I am not aware of ANY countries or terrorist organisations that have, as their aim, the destruction of America...

Lack of information! Honestly!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Its not a lack of information, its just that I am not aware of ANY countries or terrorist organisations that have, as their aim, the destruction of America... Lack of information! Honestly!

I agree that the agressive countires are dwindling, but most arab nations and polical entities can be lumped under there, along with communist stronghold like North Korea and China.. two of the largest military powers in the world, dwarfing your own even.


Organization List

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck I agree that the agressive countires are dwindling, but most arab nations and polical entities can be lumped under there, along with communist stronghold like North Korea and China.. two of the largest military powers in the world, dwarfing your own even. Organization List

I'm not sure what your getting at?

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Originally posted by swilly I love this term rouge nation. When i think of it I imagine a nation that does not listen to others or international organizations, invades thier territories, refutes laws and does at is pleases without care or consideration. Hmmm which one does that sound like?

Iraq

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Originally posted by George Smiley I'm not sure what your getting at?

Becuase you're not particularily bright.

Too many pint glasses off the noggin, eh?

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Becuase you're not particularily bright. Too many pint glasses off the noggin, eh?

Ok run me thru this...

The guy writing the article says something like "all the countries and terrorist organistations that have as their aim the destruction of the United States" and I asked, which countries and terrorist groups have as their stated policy the destruction of America, to which you say something about countries "at odds" with America and then gave a long list of terrorist organisations?

What is your point? My point is there are no countries that have the aim of destroying America and also I am not aware of any terrorist groups with that aim (unless it is a right-wing militia actually inside America)

So in your next post, please address the paragraph above, or I will have no choice but to come to the conclusion that you are "not particularly bright"

The very basis of much Islamic radicalism is it's militant view of the teachings of the Quran.

The entity seen as an affront to the Quran, and the teaches of Islam by the aforementioned radicals, is often Western civilization. The United states, as the most powerful of western nations is often deemed a nation of infidels whose destruction must be complete in order to cleanse the world.

The organizations listed are mostly Islamic Fundamentalists and Radicals.

Get it?

If not, do a google, or get your mom and dad to hold your hand next-time you step into a political forum.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck The very basis of much Islamic radicalism is it's militant view of the teachings of the Quran. The entity seen as an affront to the Quran, and the teaches of Islam by the aforementioned radicals, is often Western civilization. The United states, as the most powerful of western nations is often deemed a nation of infidels whose destruction must be complete in order to cleanse the world. The organizations listed are mostly Islamic Fundamentalists and Radicals. Get it? If not, do a google, or get your mom and dad to hold your hand next-time you step into a political forum.

Well the Islamists aim is to establish a caliphate in the Middle East under Sharia law...not the destrution of America

Maybe next time you enter a political forum you should obtain your information from sources other than scare-mongering sensationalist politicians and right-wing media outlets?

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck If not, do a google, or get your mom and dad to hold your hand next-time you step into a political forum.

One, I prefer to get my information from books or journals, not some two-bit internet site

Two, I dont have a mom I have a mum

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Originally posted by George Smiley One, I prefer to get my information from books or journals, not some two-bit internet site Two, I dont have a mom I have a mum

Hey you are from shieffield eh?
I lived in yorkshire up in leeds for year back in 2002-2003. You ever check out base at Space in Leeds? We always fun there. I went out a couple of times in shieffield to. We went to the gatecrasher one before it became that and some nice funky house bars.

I thought it was well fun. Nice girls too.

Hhaha jokes on the mum thing
hahahahha you tell him

swilly

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Originally posted by swilly Hey you are from shieffield eh? I lived in yorkshire up in leeds for year back in 2002-2003. You ever check out base at Space in Leeds? We always fun there. I went out a couple of times in shieffield to. We went to the gatecrasher one before it became that and some nice funky house bars. I thought it was well fun. Nice girls too. Hhaha jokes on the mum thing hahahahha you tell him swilly

Yea I'm from near Sheffield but I'm actually in Leeds now at uni!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well the Islamists aim is to establish a caliphate in the Middle East under Sharia law...not the destrution of America

Islamists yes, paramilitary radicals opposed to Israel's existance and partnership with the US, not so much.

Certainly not all Islamists are paramilitary, or are you foolishly lumping them all under one umbrella?

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Originally posted by swilly Hey you are from shieffield eh? I lived in yorkshire up in leeds for year back in 2002-2003. You ever check out base at Space in Leeds? We always fun there. I went out a couple of times in shieffield to. We went to the gatecrasher one before it became that and some nice funky house bars. I thought it was well fun. Nice girls too. Hhaha jokes on the mum thing hahahahha you tell him swilly

Still lacking any intelligent points, or proof to back yourself I see.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck I agree that the agressive countires are dwindling, but most arab nations and polical entities can be lumped under there, along with communist stronghold like North Korea and China.. two of the largest military powers in the world, dwarfing your own even. Organization List

How many times have china and North Korea invaded another nation in this century?

Then add up the times america has invaded another a nation or supported a coupe. I can think of a handfull in latin america alone. With them overthrowing a democratcially elected president in Hati and veneyzeula(spelling).


Honestly, that China is viewed as a major threat is a joke same as Iran.

Its just fear mongering. If you scare society enough they will allow you to do anything because they are scared the " yellow men" " or " Moors" are coming to attack.

Honestly

swilly

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Originally posted by George Smiley Yea I'm from near Sheffield but I'm actually in Leeds now at uni!

wiiiiiiiiiicked !!

I did an exchange there. Is base at space still going? What about harveys buy one pint get 3 free deal?

we used to go to sundissential every month. Man i loved my time there. I had a pretty wicked flat in the summer around hyde park. We used to go Barrish this little club in the hyde park area were you can buy weed from the owner and smoke it inside.

Awsome times!!!!!!
Also revolution vodka bar was fun too

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