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Originally posted by Freak �164.50 including moulds and filters. Filters are changed free of charge within the first month if they attenuate too much/too little.

ouch.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue ouch.

not really

If they're specially fitted

bout the same price as a pair of HD-25's isn't it? Not too bad at all really

i guess but i can just grab a bunch of free earplugs at work. they may muffle the sound a bit more but if you got headphones strapped to your head i doubt it would affect the mixing too much. just seems a little expensive for some glorified earplugs.

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor Freak, you said in the other thread that you had a choice of -9dB, -15dB and -25dB. What made you choose -15dB of the three? Did you consider changing to the other filters while you still had the trial period?

I was happy with -15s!
I feared that -25s may be too much, and make me feel too detached from the music.
Since most systems wont realistically exceed a peak of 120 something (unless they are really stupid), I am fine with the -15s for when I am playing,or in a lower volume club, and I then have some NRR rated non custom ones, which are the equivalent of like -40dB for when Im in a loud venue either socially or before/after playing, or doing the lighting or whatever.
Its all to do with exposure times.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue i guess but i can just grab a bunch of free earplugs at work. they may muffle the sound a bit more but if you got headphones strapped to your head i doubt it would affect the mixing too much. just seems a little expensive for some glorified earplugs.

No problem with using the free ones for social ocasions at all- I do too. But this is my livelihood, foam ones are not too hot for mixing purposes- either in headphones or using monitors, and they become uncomfortable after a while.

each to their own and all that- but i still stand by what i said-this is the best investment i have made.

Cheers for the info.

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Originally posted by Freak I was happy with -15s! I feared that -25s may be too much, and make me feel too detached from the music. Since most systems wont realistically exceed a peak of 120 something (unless they are really stupid), I am fine with the -15s for when I am playing,or in a lower volume club...

Yup.. I was stupid enough to buy -25... it is way too much.
I don't feel the energy in the music when I wear them.
When i go out and there's this good song I really like, I take the earplugs off just to enjoy the song.

Thinking about all this, I'm not sure if the -9db are enough to protect my earing. Comparing them with the -15s, they look to have the same frequency respond in the mid and high frequencies.


Now I reproduced the frequency respond of both on my computer and compared them playing trance. The -9 sounds way better.

But with the real filters it must be different for sure... and I just don't know if -9 are enough if I stay in the club about 3 to 6 hours.

�Anyone use the -9 ?

http://www.hearingprotection.co.uk/...php?d=safeTimes

Used to be a graph showing it, but its been changed to text

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie

ahhh.. that clarifies things a bit.

Another issue to think about is the difference in attenuation consistency between the -9 and -15. If you look at the graph you see that -15 has a consistent attenuation across the frequency range and -9 has a higher attenuation as the frequency gets higher and higher. With an uneven attenuation, the quality of the music you hear may be affected by the earplugs and what you hear is not a true representation of the sound played thru the speakers. So while you're mixing, you may think that the sound is lacking in mid to high end and adjust the eq accordingly, but it's actually the earplugs thats changing the sound. Just a thought.

My earplugs are ready for pick up. It costed me 180 USD, I will pick them up this week and then post some pics.

yeah the -15 does have a flatter frequence response.

which ones did you get solisortus?

Does anyone know of non-online dealers that sell these? I checked the Guitar Center, they did not have them. They had only the basic type.

Here they are....

I got the clear ER15 with standard clear molding.
I had some difficulties putting it on at the hearing center but getting better with it when I tried it in the car. Since the mold is made for your ear, its easy to tell if it's placed right or not. There is a distinction sensation as it pops into place. And once it's in your ear, it'll stay there. Even tho you can still feel something in your ear, it is quite comfortable. The mold has a thin extension so that you can easily remove the plug by pulling on it, but its optional and you can always cut it off if you don't like the look. I tested it out on the ride back, definite reduction in sound but its not muffled which is good. I think using them at a club is the ultimate test and I will try that this weekend.

Check out this website for dealers around the world.
http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/dealer_ph.asp#1

Sounds like a great buy. If anyone has tried out the -9s, give us a review.

What about this place in Beverly Hills you bought them at?
You happen to have a phone number?

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Originally posted by Unforgiven What about this place in Beverly Hills you bought them at? You happen to have a phone number?

Bev Hills Hearing Help Provider
(310) 274-2148
437 S. Robertson
Bev Hills, CA

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Originally posted by Solisortus Another issue to think about is the difference in attenuation consistency between the -9 and -15. If you look at the graph you see that -15 has a consistent attenuation across the frequency range and -9 has a higher attenuation as the frequency gets higher and higher. With an uneven attenuation, the quality of the music you hear may be affected by the earplugs and what you hear is not a true representation of the sound played thru the speakers. So while you're mixing, you may think that the sound is lacking in mid to high end and adjust the eq accordingly, but it's actually the earplugs thats changing the sound. Just a thought. My earplugs are ready for pick up. It costed me 180 USD, I will pick them up this week and then post some pics.

Remember that when you wear them you have a constant booming sound in your inner-ears... so either you have -9 or -15... you hear a lot of bass. I'm pretty sure you won't be making the difference.
but with the -9 you get better frequencies for the melodies and vocals as they are more between 500hz and 3Khz. Its only for your hearing pleasure
the highs its the same.

So you just have to know the sound of your tracks and adjust the equalizers in consequence

Nice info Freak

Been thinking about these for a while after a DJ mate of mine got fitted with them...

So I have booked in to have them fitted next week

Cheers

Kuffdam

I got mine yesterday ....what they do with the sound is cool....but there is so way those can remain in my ears for a couple hours......I'm gonna get them refitted hopefully that helps


people who have them do u find them comfortable?

i surely don't

very comfortable- no probs at all.
I find foam ones very claustrophobic and am constantly aware of them.
In contrast, these I almost forget I am wearing them.

Ive been wearing plugs for years tho (was a light jock for a while so wore them all the time), so maybe I am just more used to having stuff in my ear?

definately thinking about investing in a pair of these.

Got fitted for mine yesterday. Also took the opportunity of having a hearing test which fortunately came back very positive (I haven't suffered any damage from several years of DJing). The only bad bit is apparently my ear plugs are going to take four weeks to arrive...

Just though I would share this with you guys....





Took that last night at peak time.

before i got these plugs, my headphone pot would be at about 12 o clock on the dial (if you imagine its a clock face).

In fact, the dj that works there on other nights has it at 1 o clock.

Look how much lower it is with these things!
Think about it, thats about half the level on the pot, and then - another 15 dB which makes it pretty comfortable level wise.

As always, when you live in Scotland everything takes longer...

Got sized up for them on Monday... its going to take 4 to 6 weeks to get mine back ready to wear.... whoa the speed of light...

Lets hope I don't go deaf in that time.....

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Originally posted by Freak Just though I would share this with you guys.... Took that last night at peak time. before i got these plugs, my headphone pot would be at about 12 o clock on the dial (if you imagine its a clock face). In fact, the dj that works there on other nights has it at 1 o clock. Look how much lower it is with these things! Think about it, thats about half the level on the pot, and then - another 15 dB which makes it pretty comfortable level wise.

That's insane.. had a similar experience where the previous DJ had the headphone volume at 1-2 o clock (he had pretty crappy headphones as well, probably not isolating very much). I was comfortable with 8-9 o clock..

Buying ear protection is definately my smartest investment since I started djing..

Just to echo earlier comments on this thread to say the ER15's are amazing! Mine arrived a few days ago and the difference when wearing them is incredible. As someone used to wearing cheap earplugs which only serve to muffle sound, these really reduce noise across all frequencies and make music much clearer.

I'd been warned that it takes a while to get used to mixing while wearing these but I've just tried a mix and, if anything, found it slightly easier. Everything clearer without being uncomfortably loud. Of course, that's in a home environment: the real test will come this weekend when I play club gigs.

I'd wholeheartedly recommend these to anyone considering hearing protection. It's a lot of money to spend but well worth it IMO. Will feed back again after the weekend when I've played out.

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