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Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Mar-04-2005 03:35:

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean

Ok, Im sorry, but I dont think that looks nearly as cool as a DJ spinning on a set of decks. What does he do? Flip a switch every now and then? And when it comes down to it, it gives DJs a lot of freedom to just prerecord their "live" sets - and we the audience would never know.

Posted by Ory on Mar-04-2005 03:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Ok, Im sorry, but I dont think that looks nearly as cool as a DJ spinning on a set of decks. What does he do? Flip a switch every now and then? And when it comes down to it, it gives DJs a lot of freedom to just prerecord their "live" sets - and we the audience would never know.

Yeah, you're right. But Sasha is a pro, he wouldn't do that. I am alittle worried about the whole live aspect going away though, when amateur DJs get their hands on stuff like this, and it starts getting widely accepted.

Anyway, I think I'd prefer a techno/house jock to use turntables (+ EFX, drummachine and whatnot if he wishes). Decks just give me that old skool feeling.

Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Mar-04-2005 03:56:

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Originally posted by Ory
Anyway, I think I'd prefer a techno/house jock to use turntables (+ EFX, drummachine and whatnot if he wishes). Decks just give me that old skool feeling.

Traditionalists, we are.

Posted by torontotrance on Mar-04-2005 04:01:

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Traditionalists, we are.

Posted by Danny Ocean on Mar-04-2005 04:06:

ive probably posted peices of this interview in all the ableton/sasha threads that have been posten in the MD. Still, you can hear what hes up to from sasha himself.

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RA: ....So I guess you don't have to beatmatch with the Ableton right?

Sasha: You don't have to beatmatch, but I definitely miss beatmatching sometimes. The Ableton is not really a new way of Deejaying, it's more like a new different option of a way of Deejaying and live remixing, kind of a 'mashup' between the Dj and the live artist. But in the end what comes out of the speakers is still a Dj set. There's so many things that I've always wanted to do with my Dj sets, but the technology was limited. With the Ableton Live there are a million things that I'm now able to do, like last week when I was playing at Fabric (12/11/04)..... at one point I was playing six tracks simultaneously.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature_view.asp?ID=543

and edit: i think this is more live than decks. Im mean hes creating music infront of you instead of just passing it over from one deck ot another. I love to see Djs sping but this is good too, its innovating, and im dying to see how crazy sets can get with this.

Posted by Ben Brown on Mar-04-2005 04:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Ok, Im sorry, but I dont think that looks nearly as cool as a DJ spinning on a set of decks. What does he do? Flip a switch every now and then? And when it comes down to it, it gives DJs a lot of freedom to just prerecord their "live" sets - and we the audience would never know.

If anyone were to prerecord their sets, they will eventually be caught, and that particular person will be flogged to death.

And it may not look cooler, but it SOUNDS cooler, which is better IMO. If it's all about how it looks, then you have a very materialistic view of electronic dance music

Posted by flavdave on Mar-04-2005 04:48:

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Originally posted by Benjamin B
How much do you think sasha dropped on this custom mixer? 10k?

$0. I read somewhere that the people who make Ableton made the controller specifically for him. I don't know if that's true but it wouldn't surprise me considering how much Sasha has hyped Ableton.

Posted by Zenchowdah on Mar-04-2005 06:03:

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With the Ableton Live there are a million things that I'm now able to do, like last week when I was playing at Fabric (12/11/04)..... at one point I was playing six tracks simultaneously.

Posted by idoru on Mar-04-2005 07:07:

Ableton definitely has it's pros, but like most have already said, it's too expensive for any up-and-coming DJ, and for most newcomers it would be way too hard for them to get the samples for each track.

I have no problem if a DJ uses Ableton; if their set kicks ass, great. Having said that, I much rather prefer to watch a DJ mess with vinyls and CDs, and a mixer, as well as myself spin on vinyl and CD.

Posted by Blue Balls on Mar-04-2005 07:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean

This doesn't look cool at all. Looks as if he's behind a desk in an office.

Posted by Clovis on Mar-04-2005 08:02:

People are missing the point...lol

Who cares how it looks!? He can play six tracks at the same time and blend them together in ways to make you go nuts...and this is just the beggining...

Posted by Alexan on Mar-04-2005 08:29:

How many threads have there been now bashing Sasha for using Live and Maven?

Posted by Blue Balls on Mar-04-2005 08:30:

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Originally posted by Clovis86
People are missing the point...lol

Who cares how it looks!? He can play six tracks at the same time and blend them together in ways to make you go nuts...and this is just the beggining...

what can you do specifically with this software. examples

how could one use this is a trance mix ? or a prog mix? examples.

Posted by memusa on Mar-04-2005 08:56:

WOW! You all (or most) are missing the damn point! DJing in the future will not be anymore about decks or vinyl or cds...stop being so fucking melancolic! The ART of djing has ALWAYS been about the music! I don't care how it's mixed...I only care about the music that the DJ's playing!

Posted by memusa on Mar-04-2005 09:01:

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Originally posted by Nou
you would care if he just stuck in a CD he mixed in protools in his studio tho wouldnt you? I mean you dont want to goto the club and hear a mix cd.

you're missing the point...

Ableton IS mixing...it's just a different kind of mixing...that's all...

Posted by dj jasonF on Mar-04-2005 10:53:

armin said that he will probably start using alberton someday... he hasnt done it yet but i think it would be really cool to see how it could work with trance.

and wtf is worng with some ppl... what difference does it make if theres a vinyl playing or a 10 wavs together making something new and unique on the fucking fly... 5 years ago we could only dream about these kind of parties and this kind of dj sets. theres gonna be a revolution with alberton and every big dj will start using it. ofcourse as others said the new djs cant use it cuz they got no samples and its expencive.. but if mp3 stores start to sell tracks in pieces then even the bedroom djs can use alberton (we ve all seen 10.000$$$ setups in the setup pics thread) so money isnt a big problem. just wait a few years. dance music history is changing ppl!!! maybe we ll be a part of this change too.

Posted by Clovis on Mar-04-2005 11:23:

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Originally posted by dj jasonF
armin said that he will probably start using alberton someday... he hasnt done it yet but i think it would be really cool to see how it could work with trance.

and wtf is worng with some ppl... what difference does it make if theres a vinyl playing or a 10 wavs together making something new and unique on the fucking fly... 5 years ago we could only dream about these kind of parties and this kind of dj sets. theres gonna be a revolution with alberton and every big dj will start using it. ofcourse as others said the new djs cant use it cuz they got no samples and its expencive.. but if mp3 stores start to sell tracks in pieces then even the bedroom djs can use alberton (we ve all seen 10.000$$$ setups in the setup pics thread) so money isnt a big problem. just wait a few years. dance music history is changing ppl!!! maybe we ll be a part of this change too.

Armin using Ableton....*shudder*

Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Mar-04-2005 16:02:

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Originally posted by Benjamin B
And it may not look cooler, but it SOUNDS cooler, which is better IMO. If it's all about how it looks, then you have a very materialistic view of electronic dance music

Theres more to going to SEE a DJ live than just hearing the music. I mean, if all I cared about at a show was how the music sounded, well hell, I could just play the set back on my stereo and save the 40 bucks.

This doesnt mean I dont value the music, it just means that I also value the performance bit, too.

Posted by Ben Brown on Mar-04-2005 16:08:

Posted by Danny Ocean on Mar-04-2005 16:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Theres more to going to SEE a DJ live than just hearing the music. I mean, if all I cared about at a show was how the music sounded, well hell, I could just play the set back on my stereo and save the 40 bucks.

This doesnt mean I dont value the music, it just means that I also value the performance bit, too.

seeing sasha using ableton is like seeing a musical band. He is playing live, making the music (adding elements, samples, musical layers) to the tracks and then mixing to the next. Hes more of a performer now than just being a DJ. Like he said its a blend between playing live and deejaying. Just imagine how crazy his sets can be. He'll have you dancing your ass off all night, and if thats not the reason why you go to a club, then i got no idea. And besides its not the same playing a set at home than going to a club. You'll probaby never hear the set he played at a club ever, but you can always open winamp and play sets.

Posted by Clovis on Mar-04-2005 16:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Theres more to going to SEE a DJ live than just hearing the music. I mean, if all I cared about at a show was how the music sounded, well hell, I could just play the set back on my stereo and save the 40 bucks.

This doesnt mean I dont value the music, it just means that I also value the performance bit, too.

But I think your not understanding the fact that even though he doesnt have to beatmatch and theres no decks involved...he still does alot with the new system to pump out a good set. Hes baisically takin it to a whole new level...where he can blend parts of tracks with each other in real time and create some very unique mixes and sets...I'll be seeing him with ableton on March 19th in person...so I'll have more to say after that. But from what I've heard and read its really something completely different.

Posted by Clovis on Mar-04-2005 16:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
seeing sasha using ableton is like seeing a musical band. He is playing live, making the music (adding elements, samples, musical layers) to the tracks and then mixing to the next. Hes more of a performer now than just being a DJ. Like he said its a blend between playing live and deejaying. Just imagine how crazy his sets can be. He'll have you dancing your ass off all night, and if thats not the reason why you go to a club, then i got no idea. And besides its not the same playing a set at home than going to a club. You'll probaby never hear the set he played at a club ever, but you can always open winamp and play sets.

Lol yeah I baisically wanted to say that too

Posted by memusa on Mar-04-2005 17:02:

Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Mar-04-2005 17:12:

Ok fine.

I like decks, you all like computers.

Posted by torontotrance on Mar-04-2005 17:13:

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Originally posted by memusa
THANK YOU...Now all you ignorants who say mixing has to be with vinyl and cds only...STFU!

yes but some of us want to go see a deejay play vinyl and CDs..call us old fashioned

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