Get off the freaking Ban Wagon already

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Posted by Sand Leaper on Mar-06-2005 13:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Jake Conlon
I do!

im all for saving trance.

Well that's good

Posted by RebeL9 on Mar-06-2005 14:03:

the thing that bugs me most is that since there are so many well known producers on this forum and I assume that they read the reviews of new releases and the vast amount of negative critics they recieve dont they learn anything?
How can they keep going on and destroying classics?
Do they honestly believe that their remixes are even close to the originals?

Posted by Fresh Prince on Mar-06-2005 14:08:

I am not too bothered with remixes, if they stink I don't listen to them.
However compare it to something else... like car industry, every year you get a new slightly improved model, that basicly looks like the old one, but no one is upset over it.
So I don't think trance will die either just because of remixes.
Remixes give freedom for everyone to experiment and edit tunes, and that's something new and fresh in a certain way, actually that's what many DJs do.

Posted by RebeL9 on Mar-06-2005 14:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Fresh Prince
I am not too bothered with remixes, if they stink I don't listen to them.
However compare it to something else... like car industry, every year you get a new slightly improved model, that basicly looks like the old one, but no one is upset over it.
So I don't think trance will die either just because of remixes.
Remixes give freedom for everyone to experiment and edit tunes, and that's something new and fresh in a certain way, actually that's what many DJs do.

dont be so sure about it. remember what happened to goa trance in the end of 90s. hundredes of labels was spitting out goa trance tunes which was pure crap. this lead to the death of the entire genre.

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-06-2005 16:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Fresh Prince
I am not too bothered with remixes, if they stink I don't listen to them.
However compare it to something else... like car industry, every year you get a new slightly improved model, that basicly looks like the old one, but no one is upset over it.
So I don't think trance will die either just because of remixes.
Remixes give freedom for everyone to experiment and edit tunes, and that's something new and fresh in a certain way, actually that's what many DJs do.

how many people buy a new car every year??? Can i expect part 4 next year??? It just gets better and better!!!

Posted by Ian on Mar-06-2005 23:46:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
the thing that bugs me most is that since there are so many well known producers on this forum and I assume that they read the reviews of new releases and the vast amount of negative critics they recieve dont they learn anything?
How can they keep going on and destroying classics?
Do they honestly believe that their remixes are even close to the originals?

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
the thing that bugs me most is that since there are so many well known producers on this forum and I assume that they read the reviews of new releases and the vast amount of negative critics they recieve dont they learn anything?
How can they keep going on and destroying classics?
Do they honestly believe that their remixes are even close to the originals?

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
the thing that bugs me most is that since there are so many well known producers on this forum and I assume that they read the reviews of new releases and the vast amount of negative critics they recieve dont they learn anything?
How can they keep going on and destroying classics?
Do they honestly believe that their remixes are even close to the originals?

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
the thing that bugs me most is that since there are so many well known producers on this forum and I assume that they read the reviews of new releases and the vast amount of negative critics they recieve dont they learn anything?
How can they keep going on and destroying classics?
Do they honestly believe that their remixes are even close to the originals?

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
the thing that bugs me most is that since there are so many well known producers on this forum and I assume that they read the reviews of new releases and the vast amount of negative critics they recieve dont they learn anything?
How can they keep going on and destroying classics?
Do they honestly believe that their remixes are even close to the originals?

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
the thing that bugs me most is that since there are so many well known producers on this forum and I assume that they read the reviews of new releases and the vast amount of negative critics they recieve dont they learn anything?
How can they keep going on and destroying classics?
Do they honestly believe that their remixes are even close to the originals?

that is exactly the point, and worth reading all those times. Get creative or get off the bandwagon. Everyone who remade in the old days did so because they'd created a reputation for producing new material, now everyone does it and trance has lost a lot of the fans who made it what it's been for the last 10 years. Shame on it

Posted by Luke Terry on Mar-07-2005 00:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Then they could just repress the classics instead of ruining them with pointless remixes. Bonzai have been doing that with Backcatalogue for instance.

some of the repressings are awful, i got the fire + ice ep thing because my copy of silent cry sounds like shit due to overplaying

the new copy sounds worse, has a really low input gain + skips... in the middle of the record too

random rant over

Posted by n0bben on Mar-07-2005 00:51:

okay then, represses in good quality is what we desire
more people who got the best of fire&ice ep, and experience bad quality? maybe it's just yours.. truly hope so, i was gonna order that.

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-07-2005 01:24:

quote:
Originally posted by n0bben
okay then, represses in good quality is what we desire
more people who got the best of fire&ice ep, and experience bad quality? maybe it's just yours.. truly hope so, i was gonna order that.

i didnt buy it for that reason...

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Mar-07-2005 01:57:

its the same with house music as well.. most house is basically disco reworked.. or 80s reworked

i personally dont mind it if the job is done right.. there is tons of new material out there.. its up to the djs / listeners to promote it

Posted by Geoff on Mar-07-2005 06:39:

go prog

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-07-2005 12:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Geoff
go prog

i hope u mean prog house

Posted by Sand Leaper on Mar-07-2005 12:44:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
prog house

Hah, like "prog" has it any better creatively.

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-07-2005 12:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Hah, like "prog" has it any better creatively.

well not really but i like repetitive basslines, instead of boring, beat melodies

Posted by PrestonYoung on Mar-08-2005 16:29:

There is so much negativity through out this forum. We're chatting on a site called tranceaddict and a majority act as if you dont like trance. Im confused. I just choose not to listen when I hear a mix I dislike; I move on instead of dwelling on it.
I dont think the author of this thread is wrong and certainly does not deserve to be ragged on about it. I think there are a select few that jump on the bandwagon and bash the latest trance track just to fit in. I think that some people are scared to voice their opinion and just go with what others say in hopes to feel accepted into which ever community they want into. Im not afraid to say what I want, hence this post. flame away!

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-08-2005 16:34:

quote:
Originally posted by PrestonYoung
There is so much negativity through out this forum. We're chatting on a site called tranceaddict and a majority act as if you dont like trance. Im confused. I just choose not to listen when I hear a mix I dislike; I move on instead of dwelling on it.
I dont think the author of this thread is wrong and certainly does not deserve to be ragged on about it. I think there are a select few that jump on the bandwagon and bash the latest trance track just to fit in. I think that some people are scared to voice their opinion and just go with what others say in hopes to feel accepted into which ever community they want into. Im not afraid to say what I want, hence this post. flame away!

huh? You know how many people jump on to these new remixes like god produced them himself?

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Mar-08-2005 16:47:

As I've said before, it's the original producer's fault for not ensuring they have to clear new remixes of their material when they join a label. And if they did- it's their fault for clearing the shitty remixes to grab a bit of cash.

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-08-2005 16:55:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
As I've said before, it's the original producer's fault for not ensuring they have to clear new remixes of their material when they join a label. And if they did- it's their fault for clearing the shitty remixes to grab a bit of cash.

maby when they join, but i don't think they have a say 5 years later...

Posted by Jake Conlon on Mar-08-2005 17:30:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
maby when they join, but i don't think they have a say 5 years later...

that happend with Delerium - Silence 2004

Posted by noikeee on Mar-08-2005 17:36:

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Mar-08-2005 17:48:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
maby when they join, but i don't think they have a say 5 years later...

Why not? It comes out of an artist's royalties to pay a remixer. I doubt Delerium would be happy if Nettwerk (or whoever they're signed to) commissioned a load of P Diddy and Dr Dre remixes of Silence in 2006 to try and sell it to a hip-hop audience, so they should have the common sense to make sure the contract covers the tracks as long as they are licensed to that label.

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-08-2005 17:56:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Why not? It comes out of an artist's royalties to pay a remixer. I doubt Delerium would be happy if Nettwerk (or whoever they're signed to) commissioned a load of P Diddy and Dr Dre remixes of Silence in 2006 to try and sell it to a hip-hop audience, so they should have the common sense to make sure the contract covers the tracks as long as they are licensed to that label.

nope, royalties are different.... When a get track signed, i think most of the time, the ownership of that track goes from the artist, to the label.

which is why tracks are not on every label.

some artists can't even use that name on a different label.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Mar-08-2005 18:33:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
nope, royalties are different.... When a get track signed, i think most of the time, the ownership of that track goes from the artist, to the label.

which is why tracks are not on every label.

some artists can't even use that name on a different label.

Incorrect. An artist signs a particular alias to a label (which is why some producers are multi-aliased). That's why a producer can't be signed to more than one label under the same alias- they have to move (as FSOL did from Jumpin' & Pumpin' to Virgin Records).

While they're signed to that label they will have their material released by that label. However, tracks are not sold to a label, they are leased. While they are under lease, the label can release them, license them to compilations and do whatever they're allowed to under the contract conditions they made with the artist. However, unless an artist signs a track to perpetuity (forever), the lease will run out after a certain amount of time and the artist is free to do what they will with it.

And the cost of a remix is deducted from the royalties the label pays the artists.

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-08-2005 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Incorrect. An artist signs a particular alias to a label (which is why some producers are multi-aliased). That's why a producer can't be signed to more than one label under the same alias- they have to move (as FSOL did from Jumpin' & Pumpin' to Virgin Records).

thats what i said, and some dont sign their alias to the label.

quote:

While they're signed to that label they will have their material released by that label. However, tracks are not sold to a label, they are leased. While they are under lease, the label can release them, license them to compilations and do whatever they're allowed to under the contract conditions they made with the artist. However, unless an artist signs a track to perpetuity (forever), the lease will run out after a certain amount of time and the artist is free to do what they will with it.

And the cost of a remix is deducted from the royalties the label pays the artists.

im sure it all depends on the contract...

Posted by Mortyman on Mar-09-2005 03:51:

I think it should be entirely up to the original artist as to who can remix thier tracks. I always assumed it was that way in teh first place, because when I listen to interviews, artists talk about, for example, Delerium had approached Tiesto to do a remix of Silence... Tiesto did not "just decide" to do this!

I plead ignorance on the subject at hand, but it sounds all to easy if artists asked other artists to remix thier tracks. Then we wouldn't have crappy remixes of classic tracks. Only the best would survive.

Let's say Pulser approached 5 different artists to remix Cloudwalking?
5 remixes would be turned back to Pulser and then Pulser ultimately decides which remixes will be released.
Then Pulser claims it's income from the rerelease of the track and pays out royalties to the remixer?
Who really cares what label? as long as it gets released, the label should have nothing to do with it... besides sales

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