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Originally posted by starsearcher exactly...and i'm not saying that TTC is BAD i'm jsut saying that it shouldn't be this way! People graduating with a Bachelor of Science can't find jobs. New immigrants with PhDs and Doctors can't work in Canada so they drive cabs...meanwhile these guys are crying over a 2% increase in wages difference. Something's not right here...

it's not the fault of the bus drivers that these people pick careers that have less opportunity to find work. there is a lot more room in the job market for bus drivers than there is for a PhD in Science.

as for surgeons that come from Uzbekistan or some other hole, that is a different issue.

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Originally posted by RobbyG. You guys have to realize that this is just a stupid game played out by our union & TTC management...Even Moscoe said that today...I kinda doubt that we will walk and hope we don't .If there is a strike, the government would legislate us back to work like last time... As a licensed "Coach Technician" for the TTC, the drivers outnumber the us (non drivers) by 4 to 1 and so even if our group didn't want to strike & the drivers do, then "we" have no choice.Thats why alot of my other mechanic friends wished we had our own seperate union.

would it be just bus drivers striking???
dont they all make differnt money being the most 1)train drivers 2)street car 3)bus drivers

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Originally posted by Carney would it be just bus drivers striking??? dont they all make differnt money being the most 1)train drivers 2)street car 3)bus drivers

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Originally posted by RobbyG. As a licensed "Coach Technician" for the TTC, the drivers outnumber the us (non drivers) by 4 to 1 and so even if our group didn't want to strike & the drivers do, then "we" have no choice.Thats why alot of my other mechanic friends wished we had our own seperate union.

Well I imagine that since they're part of the same union that they would all have to strike together. But who ends up making the final decision? Is there a vote or do the union execs make the call?


edit: w00t, finally graduated from "junior tranceaddict" to a full "tranceaddict"...only took me 2 years

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess I would be a bus driver but 1) I suck at driving 2) I hate people and 3) I hate people when driving.

You're over qualified

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Originally posted by baystreetboi I challenge you to find a public transit system anywhere in the world that has its operations self-financed through fares alone.

Well, who says we can't be the first?

Seriously though, considering how the TTC is managed (poorly, just think of sheppard subway line..) it shouldn't be hard to increase the operational efficiency of the TTC. That coupled with a modest fare hike 25-50 cents and a reduction in unecessary expenditures should do the trick. The problem is that since the TTC is run by the government, it is prone to the cumbersomeness of parliament. If the TTC were privatized it would be much easier to implement the above measures and set the TTC on to a path of self-sufficiency.

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Originally posted by Carney would it be just bus drivers striking??? dont they all make differnt money being the most 1)train drivers 2)street car 3)bus drivers

There is a "wage group" structure in the non-unionized part of the TTC.It starts at wage group 1 (janitors,etc...) all the way up to wage group 13 (lead hand mechanics>they look after a shift if theirs no foreperson)..I'm a wage group 12 and the drivers are wage group 10 ( I'm not sure about that but its like a 50 to 75cent/hour difference)...

In any case we are ALL lumped into the same union.... ATU Local 113

Another fare hike? They just raised it 25 cents. You dont use the TTC daily do you? It's already too expensive as it is. Why should i spend $100 a month for it to take twice the amount of time or more to get somewhere when for another $80 a month i can own or lease a car of my own?

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Originally posted by RobbyG. foreperson

OH NO! The politically correct zombies have warped your fragile little mind!

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Originally posted by Dj EndgamE Well I imagine that since they're part of the same union that they would all have to strike together. But who ends up making the final decision? Is there a vote or do the union execs make the call? edit: w00t, finally graduated from "junior tranceaddict" to a full "tranceaddict"...only took me 2 years

What happened is that the TTC put forth an offer...The union execs showed it to us and all the unionized TTC employees voted on it yesterday by secret ballot.Its basically a formality & politiking from the union & TTC & a huge waste of time.Now its back to the table & more negotiating.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 You dont use the TTC daily do you?

Actually I use it many times per day.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 It's already too expensive as it is. Why should i spend $100 a month for it to take twice the amount of time or more to get somewhere when for another $80 a month i can own or lease a car of my own?

If you lease a car, you have to also pay for insurance and gas (the price of which has skyrocketed as of late.. it's around $53/barrel of crude right now).

TTC stands for Take The Car

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Originally posted by Jayx1 OH NO! The politically correct zombies have warped your fragile little mind!

lol...Funny you noticed that...I was gonna put foreMAN but...yeah its all a rage at the TTC...Political Correctiveness...Look at my title>>>"Coach Technician" ...I'm thinking of having business cards made up to impress the chicks

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Originally posted by starsearcher TTC stands for Take The Car

TTC=Two Trains Colliding

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Actually I use it many times per day. If you lease a car, you have to also pay for insurance and gas (the price of which has skyrocketed as of late.. it's around $53/barrel of crude right now).

most people dont even take into account the maintainance cost per year, plus tires, oil changes, it can really add up.

ive done the math a million times, and for me public transit is still cheaper

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Originally posted by Orko most people dont even take into account the maintainance cost per year, plus tires, oil changes, it can really add up. ive done the math a million times, and for me public transit is still cheaper

If you're taking it anywhere downtown, add the costs of parking the damn thing on too!

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Originally posted by Orko most people dont even take into account the maintainance cost per year, plus tires, oil changes, it can really add up. ive done the math a million times, and for me public transit is still cheaper

no doubt that it's cheaper...and convenient...but I just think that service has deteriorated lately while the prices and funding continues to increase. Something doesn't add up and the IMO the system is missmanaged.

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Originally posted by Orko most people dont even take into account the maintainance cost per year, plus tires, oil changes, it can really add up. ive done the math a million times, and for me public transit is still cheaper

For sure!

What pisses me off is people who complain about the fare hikes.
1) If you ride the TTC daily, you should have a metropass (if you don't you are a moron). Therefore, rate hikes on individual fares will not affect you.
2) If you don't ride the TTC yet insist on complaining about fare hikes... STFU!

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Actually I use it many times per day. If you lease a car, you have to also pay for insurance and gas (the price of which has skyrocketed as of late.. it's around $53/barrel of crude right now).

My car costs me $500 a month all in all (insurance, payments, gas)not inc repairs. I estimate to travel downton and back 5 times a week as well as do my daily chores it would cost me roughly $400 a month in transit fares. Thats $75 for the oakville transit. About $200 for GO trains and $98 for a TTC pass. Thats not including the times i would probably say "fuggit" and just take a cab.

So for $100 more per month i have the convenience of short trip times, my own personal space, and something to show for my investment.

Transit is just not worth it in many cases.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict For sure! What pisses me off is people who complain about the fare hikes. 1) If you ride the TTC daily, you should have a metropass (if you don't you are a moron). Therefore, rate hikes on individual fares will not affect you. 2) If you don't ride the TTC yet insist on complaining about fare hikes... STFU!

I use tokens. I dont use the TTC daily, but I do use it enough to purchase the tokens...It pissed me off just before the fare hike when I couldnt buy them 10 at a time. I also use YRT daily, so thats basically 4.75 a day - ONE WAY to get to the city

TTC is only good if you're taking the subway to go downtown really...it's still cheaper BUT...and here's the big big BUT.

I take the TTC to work every morning and now i work in Scarborough. It takes me 2 subways and 2 busses to get to where I need to...overall it takes about an hour to get TO work and even longer to get back home.

Last week my mom left to Israel to visit my grandparents after my grandfather had a surgery and she left me tha car so natually now I'm taking the 401 to work. Even if the traffic isn't the best it takes me about 25 minutes or so to get to work...

25 minutes vs 1 hour or sometimes long to be stuck in a bus full of people in rush hour and i'll be honest with you some need better personal hygene lessons!

So unless you're taking the subway downtown I don't know it's debatable, but still cheaper.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Another fare hike? They just raised it 25 cents. You dont use the TTC daily do you? It's already too expensive as it is. Why should i spend $100 a month for it to take twice the amount of time or more to get somewhere when for another $80 a month i can own or lease a car of my own?

+ insurance, + gas, + regular maintenance, + unforseen repairs, + plate stickers, etc


I agree that TTC workers are paid VERY well...a bus driver, under age 30 (so not a long-term employee in a high wage grid) who works healthy OT can make *70k/year* (I've seen the T4s from clients to prove it). That's not to say they don't deserve to be paid well...but I don't think they deserve more than what they get now for what amounts to reasonably unskilled labour...I'm not saying their job is easy...but they're paid well enough, IMHO.

I don't buy the "I know people with a degree" comparison that someone else made...that's completely irrelevant in many (if not most) cases.

A degree represents an education...not necessarily job training or a ticket to a fat paycheque. There are people with Masters degrees working in call centres. I know someone doing their PhD in English...their career options are far from guaranteed (and they know that...and are are doing the degree because they want to, not because they are anticipating a six figure salary the moment they graduate).

Another fare hike is out of the question...ridership will plumett. The TTC needs to be better subsidized by the various levels of gov't...especially as traffic congestion becomes worse and worse.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Transit is just not worth it in many cases.

Yea if you live in OAKVILLE...

TTC is for toronto, you can't lump in Oakville transit and GO into this discussion.

Car is by all means the best mode of transportation for people living outside the actual city of toronto.

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Originally posted by tha_broad I use tokens. I dont use the TTC daily, but I do use it enough to purchase the tokens...It pissed me off just before the fare hike when I couldnt buy them 10 at a time. I also use YRT daily, so thats basically 4.75 a day - ONE WAY to get to the city

Not to be mean but what exactly do you expect? You don't live in Toronto proper, so why do you expect that you should be able to get there for less than $4.75 (the cost of YRT+TTC)?

Either way, you can still by tokens/tickets on discount.

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Originally posted by starsearcher TTC is only good if you're taking the subway to go downtown really...it's still cheaper BUT...and here's the big big BUT. I take the TTC to work every morning and now i work in Scarborough. It takes me 2 subways and 2 busses to get to where I need to...overall it takes about an hour to get TO work and even longer to get back home. Last week my mom left to Israel to visit my grandparents after my grandfather had a surgery and she left me tha car so natually now I'm taking the 401 to work. Even if the traffic isn't the best it takes me about 25 minutes or so to get to work... 25 minutes vs 1 hour or sometimes long to be stuck in a bus full of people in rush hour and i'll be honest with you some need better personal hygene lessons! So unless you're taking the subway downtown I don't know it's debatable, but still cheaper.

Your so right about that starsearcher...I used to go to centennial and there is NO inbetween way. Its either all the way around via the 2 subways and a lrt and a bus, or it was an hour long bus ride from the yonge line and then some...the sheppard subway barely closed the gap between the yonge line and scarborough.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Not to be mean but what exactly do you expect? You don't live in Toronto proper, so why do you expect that you should be able to get there for less than $4.75 (the cost of YRT+TTC)? Either way, you can still by tokens/tickets on discount.

I live close enough...the bus ride from the last subway stop (finch) is 15 minutes at best, just a little north rather than east or west...Hell it takes people in north scarborough longer to get downtown than me probably....

edit: at worst, not at best, at best it takes less than 10

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