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Originally posted by johnny<3trance some people are pissed because they dont want the childrens parents to choose what are taught to the child... [sip] sipape

And all parents are right?.....just because they are parents....

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance some people are pissed because they dont want the childrens parents to choose what are taught to the child...

If they want total control why don't they do home schooling.

The curriculum of indoctrination could look something like this:

Morning prayers

Creationism 101
Right to life
Bible study

Afternoon prayers

Intelligent design
Abstinence the only birth control
Censorship is good

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Originally posted by igottaknow If they want total control why don't they do home schooling. The curriculum of indoctrination could look something like this: Morning prayers Creationism 101 Right to life Bible study Afternoon prayers Intelligent design Abstinence the only birth control Censorship is good

Yea and this is the school uniform...!

parents have the right to decide what theyre children are taught in school

you say were indoctrinating creationism? well your indoctrinating evolution!

do I smell a double standard?

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance parents have the right to decide what theyre children are taught in school you say were indoctrinating creationism? well your indoctrinating evolution! do I smell a double standard? [sip] sipape

Yes but when one is right and one is wrong, teaching the right one is not indoctrination, it is known as education!

who are you to decide what right and wrong


I guess your God since you can choose what right and wrong

neither have been proved neither are right teaching one over the other is indoctrination

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance who are you to decide what right and wrong I guess your God since you can choose what right and wrong neither have been proved neither are right teaching one over the other is indoctrination

No I'm not a god but I know that 2 + 2 = 4 is right

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance parents have the right to decide what theyre children are taught in school

To a certain extent they fully exercise that right - voting.

They can vote for members on their city Board of Education that best reflects their views.

They can vote for members in their State BOE that best reflects their views.

They can attend meetings at both and cite their voices, often times successfully banning certain material they deem offensive.

That is how the public school system works. And as it was suggested, many who do not support this democratically elected system can indoctrinate their own children according to their own personal beliefs via home schooling.

If, however, your complaint is what other children are learning, that is another argument and you'll have to assert your point as well as support it, if you will.

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you say were indoctrinating creationism? well your indoctrinating evolution! do I smell a double standard? [sip] sipape

Well despite public voting by parents in order to best match nominees to their own particular ideals and beliefs, the public school system still attempts to maintain a baseline standard on teaching the most correct and most current knowledge, information, and teaching methodology. At present and with the topic of this thread, teaching evolution is hardly "indoctrinating" anyone, no more than teaching gravity or quantum theory should be considered "indoctrinating" them as well. It's simply the best explanation that a wealth of evidence supports from a biological, geological, paleontological, geographical, anthropological, and genetic standpoint.

ID/Creationism/any other idea does not have any testable, observable, and falsifiable evidence to support them. These are the basic tenets of science, i.e. scientific methodology (hypothetico- deductive method). So to introduce such ideas in a science classroom would not only be extremely foolish and fallacious, but would hinder our kids from defining, understanding, and correctly utilizing science.

So no, there's no double-standard involved here. Just your simple misunderstanding, that's all.

it hasnt been proved therefore it can be teached as proof therefore it should be tought side by side with another popular theory otherwise its indoctrination

this isnt 2+2=4

this is something that is unobservable

hasnt been proven

and is just a theory

its as credible as the theory that aliens created life on earth...

neither do evolution !!!

no matter what you say evolution as the source of life is not observable and that is a fact

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance who are you to decide what right and wrong

A voter who understands scientific methodology.

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I guess your God since you can choose what right and wrong

God has nothing to do with this. This is simply a matter of understanding science and wanting our children to correctly understand it as well.

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neither have been proved neither are right teaching one over the other is indoctrination

There's a wealth of posts on this subject. I suggest you do a search on "evolution" "ID" "creationism", and feel free to chime in on those threads accordingly. I contend there's a substantial weight of evidence supporting evolution, and I've exhibited that evidence in those given threads.

If you disagree, please be prepared to support your assertions.

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance neither do evolution !!! no matter what you say evolution as the source of life is not observable and that is a fact

Guess what, champ - evolution doesn't contend to be the "source" of life. That would be abiogenesis, i.e. the contention of life from non-life.

Evolution does not have anything to do with this notion - only AFTER life began does evolution occur. You've just created your first straw man argument.

Evolution is and continues to be quite observable, however.

Just out of curiousity, how much science have you taken?

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance parents have the right to decide what theyre children are taught in school you say were indoctrinating creationism? well your indoctrinating evolution! do I smell a double standard? [sip] sipape

Why did you change your name, Electronicmaji?

So let's say there's a parent in your kid's class that wants their kid to learn about Islam or homosexuality? Are you all for that in public schools? If you want to argue no, because it should be a majority of parents, not just a few deciding the curriculum,well then you take away your creationism argument as well. Or does it just work that everyone should just follow what the maji believes?

let me rephrase that

human life

if it doesnt claim to be the source of life then you have nothing against creation being tough in school as the source of life since it is the only thing that could be the creator of life

because it certainly wasnt some meteor somewhere

if its teached alongside christianity I see no problem with it

homosexaulity is a sickness that can eventaully wipe out the human race and should be tought so

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance homosexaulity is a sickness that can eventaully wipe out the human race and should be tought so

You're funny.

I think with women out there like Jessica Alba there wont be a problem with procreation anytime soon. Or maybe the world is going to beceome entirely "metrosexual" thanks to Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. like on that South Park episode?

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance homosexaulity is a sickness that can eventaully wipe out the human race and should be tought so

Wow. Lay your healin' hands upon the sick and make them see the light!

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Originally posted by Shakka Wow. Lay your healin' hands upon the sick and make them see the light!

I'm just picturing Bill Murray as a televangelist saying that thanks to your avatar.

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance if its teached alongside christianity I see no problem with it homosexaulity is a sickness that can eventaully wipe out the human race and should be tought so

Seriously Electromaji, what the fuck is wrong with you? I really don't understand trolls at all. Are you so hard up on attention or something? You're seriously one of the wierdest fucking posters I've ever seen.

But as to your comments on homosexuality, I'm afraid classification of homosexuality being a "sickness" or "mental illness" was wiped out some 32 years ago, based on that darn "science" thingy:

http://www.psych.org/public_info/homose~1.cfm

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance let me rephrase that human life if it doesnt claim to be the source of life then you have nothing against creation being tough in school as the source of life since it is the only thing that could be the creator of life because it certainly wasnt some meteor somewhere

Actually I wouldn't have a problem with creationism being taught in schools, perhaps in a religious studies or even a philosophy course.

But in the science classroom where we teach our kids to verify their findings with observed, testable, and falsifiable evidence, I'm afraid it would be highly erroneous to bring such an idea to the table.

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Originally posted by wolverine16 I think with women out there like Jessica Alba there wont be a problem with procreation anytime soon. Or maybe the world is going to beceome entirely "metrosexual" thanks to Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. like on that South Park episode?

Classic SP episode. I'd never kick Alba out of bed for eating crackers, that's for sure!

creationism is more feasable than evolution

homosexaulity is a sickness

the communists in china want to stop the americans ability to reporduce sameway they tried to stop americans with the hippy movement back in the 70s


oh and get this throught your mind science can be wrong just because soemone thinks it right doesnt make it right

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Actually I wouldn't have a problem with creationism being taught in schools, perhaps in a religious studies or even a philosophy course. But in the science classroom where we teach our kids to verify their findings with observed, testable, and falsifiable evidence, I'm afraid it would be highly erroneous to bring such an idea to the table.

Actually, that's a really good point, Opus.

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Originally posted by johnny<3trance creationism is more feasable than evolution homosexaulity is a sickness the communists in china want to stop the americans ability to reporduce sameway they tried to stop americans with the hippy movement back in the 70s oh and get this throught your mind science can be wrong just because soemone thinks it right doesnt make it right

Seriously Electromaji, what the fuck is wrong with you? I really don't understand trolls at all. Are you so hard up on attention or something?

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