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Maybe we have different definitions of "trolling".

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Originally posted by Hydarnes If you're talking about stuff like electro-house or EDM styles that are almost exclusively percussion with no real melody, then I'm afraid it takes almost zero talent.

Thats trolling.

It also would show that you have no knowledge of what house is, or what electro is, or what "electro-house" is, because neither of those genres are exclusively percussion.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Maybe we have different definitions of "trolling".

"An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other
(electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect,
but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an
emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply
key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their
minds." - 1994

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Originally posted by torontotrance yes I admit, I have no talent making music

you have a god-given gift in making melodies? or was born biologically enchanced in making music?
If you said no and yet still produce good music.. then chances are that you worked at your craft, which i feel is a much more reasonable answer than "talent".
wiseasses always have to say something smart.

k, so if I said I'm not musically inclined and even if I worked at it, I'd still be shit. Does that make it ok?

I mean look at Mike and L-Vee, they have been overusing the same melodies for years and recycling the same ol crap but yet people don't accuse them of being talentless.

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Originally posted by torontotrance k, so if I said I'm not musically inclined and even if I worked at it, I'd still be shit. Does that make it ok? I mean look at Mike and L-Vee, they have been overusing the same melodies for years and recycling the same ol crap but yet people don't accuse them of being talentless.

maybe i made myself unclear.
Refering to this Definition of Talent:
Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.
alls im saying is the idea of 'talent' is Fictitious, because it is basically implying that someone is better at something than most at birth.. if that makes any sense.
Either way almost all EDM (or all music in general) is recycled.

and finally, who says what is shit music and what isnt?? I mean if you work hard at making music and you are happy with the results, who cares if people say its shit? Unless you are trying to make a living off music you should be producing the music that is deep inside you, whatever that may be, instead of conforming and following rules and standards set by previous artists whether they are EDM or not.
And if you STILL are unhappy with your music because it is so out there and different, then go back to be another generic, nameless, faceless EDM producer.
I guess what im saying here is.. all music has been done before, unless you are about to do it for the first time.
[/stoner-rant]
oh.. and sorry for the threadjack

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Thats trolling. It also would show that you have no knowledge of what house is, or what electro is, or what "electro-house" is, because neither of those genres are exclusively percussion.

First of all, I never said electro-house was exclusively percussion (I said ALMOST--there's a difference you know), secondly, I'm QUITE familiar with House, your assumptions notwithstanding.

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"An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds." - 1994

Thank you for confirming that my statement had nothing to do with trolling.

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Originally posted by Stassi alls im saying is the idea of 'talent' is Fictitious, because it is basically implying that someone is better at something than most at birth.. if that makes any sense.

You appear to have been misled. Everyone is "naturally" better at some things than others. Genetics play a huge role in our ability to do certain things. Talent in this sense is certainly not fictitious. I suggest you reconsider this point of view.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes First of all, I never said electro-house was exclusively percussion (I said ALMOST--there's a difference you know), secondly, I'm QUITE familiar with House, your assumptions notwithstanding.

They arent almost exclusivly percussion either.

Electro often is much less percussion based than trance, or what have you.

Out of curiosity, could you name me some of your favourite electro artists, and house artists as well?

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Originally posted by starglider You appear to have been misled. Everyone is "naturally" better at some things than others. Genetics play a huge role in our ability to do certain things. Talent in this sense is certainly not fictitious. I suggest you reconsider this point of view.

Well Genetics is a whole grey area to even scientists. All i know is that if I worked in music, I wouldn't let something silly like "talent" and Genetics (no quotes) get in the way of me being the best I can. Maybe I say this all because I am a Competetive person (something you can blame on Genetics).

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Originally posted by beats and beeps They arent almost exclusivly percussion either. Electro often is much less percussion based than trance, or what have you. Out of curiosity, could you name me some of your favourite electro artists, and house artists as well?

Pass the semantics...Are the following "electro-house" or not?:

http://stfnak.free.fr/DD3.mp3

http://stfnak.free.fr/DD6.mp3

http://stfnak.free.fr/DD2.mp3

http://stfnak.free.fr/DD4.mp3

http://stfnak.free.fr/DD5.mp3

http://stfnak.free.fr/DD8.mp3

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Originally posted by Hydarnes http://stfnak.free.fr/DD4.mp3

Lmao, you call this "nearly exclusively percussion"? Its more the opposite away around!!!

Along with the others?

And no, they didnt all sound like "electro-house" to me, a couple of them sounded like funky techno.

Absolutely. Maybe you're just so acquainted with many harder forms of dance that you're incapable of discerning it. None of them really had any melody...that's my point. Take away melody in dance music and all you have left is the percussion and a few other things. When this happens, there's little talent left.

And btw, I was mainly referring to tracks 3 and 6.

Re: Re: How Can I Prove the Talent Required to Produce EDM?

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Originally posted by george_hales Make a track with them and send it to labels, thats the only real way i suppose!

+1

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Absolutely. Maybe you're just so acquainted with many harder forms of dance that you're incapable of discerning it. None of them really had any melody...that's my point. Take away melody in dance music and all you have left is the percussion and a few other things. When this happens, there's little talent left.

thats the same in every genre except if you did it with classical you wouldnt have anything

Hehe. Oh btw, add hard house to that category.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Absolutely. Maybe you're just so acquainted with many harder forms of dance that you're incapable of discerning it. None of them really had any melody...that's my point. Take away melody in dance music and all you have left is the percussion and a few other things. When this happens, there's little talent left. And btw, I was mainly referring to tracks 3 and 6.

Firstly you have yet to prove that electro, and house, and electrohouse are "almost exclusively percussion"

Secondly, if you were able to prove this, you have yet to prove that it takes more talet to sequence a melody, over sequencing a drum pattern.

I say sequencing, because I would agree that in real life, such as an orchestra, the drums, and various other forms of percussion are much simpler than the rest both to learn and to play. Although, to be fair they do hold alot more pressure, as there usually arent 15 other people playing a snare drum, as with if you play trumpet, you'll usually be in a group of 10 or so others doing the same thing.

Anyways, as far as electronic music is concerened, I dont think its easy to say that sequencing a "melody" is any harder, or requires much more talent than sequencing a drum pattern. In fact with many forms of electronic music, the drum patterns are much more complex, and richer, than the melodies.

boy we have a couple of real idiots on the boards....threads like this sure bring out their wide ranging knowledge of EDM...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller boy we have a couple of real idiots on the boards....threads like this sure bring out their wide ranging knowledge of EDM...

hey you watch your mouth jive turkey! If I want to eat the troll bait, I'm damn well going to do so!

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Are the following "electro-house" or not?:

No.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes EDM styles that are almost exclusively percussion with no real melody, then I'm afraid it takes almost zero talent.

You still have no idea what percussion is, do you?

Percussion has absolutely nothing to do with rhythm, melody or harmony. IT DOES NOT MEAN DRUMS. Melody can be percussion. Anything played with a piano or keyboard is percussion. But again, this means very little in electronic music's case, since there are no real genuine percussion instruments being employed in its production. But there are simulators of percussion (polysynths, sample playback, etc...). Technically, any arpeggiated synth is percussive. That's virtually all trance ever made.

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Originally posted by Ishkur any arpeggiated synth is percussive.

no.

apreggio means plucked and percussion is not plucked.

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Originally posted by JakeC no. apreggio means plucked and percussion is not plucked.

I thought that arpeggio is like...you take a chord, and the notes that make up that chord are played rapidly one after another?

So like, you can play chords on a piano, so if you play the notes of that chord quickly one after another on the piano, it would be a percussive(?) arpeggio?

If that makes sense at all?

As far as I know arpeggio doesnt refer to how the instrument is played, but to how notes are played on an instrument. I might be wrong though.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I thought that arpeggio is like...you take a chord, and the notes that make up that chord are played rapidly one after another? So like, you can play chords on a piano, so if you play the notes of that chord quickly one after another on the piano, it would be a percussive(?) arpeggio? If that makes sense at all?

apreggio is how you play.

with a violin instead of playing long notes you would pluck the strings.

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