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Originally posted by swisstoni_uk Im guessing here that you prefer the more Euphoric trance, the typical hands in the air at 2am stuff, higher than 137bpm? Trance is more than that though.

Fair enough, there's more to trance than just THAT. My point is that there is ROOM in ASOT for stuff like that AS WELL. I realise you're just gonna say "we dont care, armin can play what he wants", but he's pioneer of the industry, can't he give us a bit of both?

There's 2 hours to play with, and these days he spends 90 minutes of it in first gear...

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Originally posted by Col Fair enough, there's more to trance than just THAT. My point is that there is ROOM in ASOT for stuff like that AS WELL. I realise you're just gonna say "we dont care, armin can play what he wants", but he's pioneer of the industry, can't he give us a bit of both? There's 2 hours to play with, and these days he spends 90 minutes of it in first gear...

Tonight there was Goldenscan - Only With You, that was truly euphoric in the true sense of the word. I missed this show but i am familiar with some tracks. Fred Baker is reknowned for producing hard trancers too.

Maybe its just the time of year? maybe there are no decent trancers out at the moment worth mentioning in 2 hours. Last Summer into Autumn shows were packed with harder trance tracks. There will always be phases of less of this, and more of that.

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Originally posted by swisstoni_uk Maybe its just the time of year? maybe there are no decent trancers out at the moment worth mentioning in 2 hours. Last Summer into Autumn shows were packed with harder trance tracks. There will always be phases of less of this, and more of that.

That I can accept, and yes I loved the Goldenscan tune.

I'll try and summarise my argument in a more brief manner:

1. I'm not talking about Armin as a DJ, I've already said I liked his Global set. This is strictly about ASOT.

2. The TOTW thing was a bad example, since two tracks I like ('Adrenalin' and 'Back @ Ya') were TOTW recently. But there's not much of that stuff, he just throws in one or two which may happen to be TOTW.

3. My main point here is that ASOT used to be a bit of everything, it used to be a pie split into equal slices. But now it isn't anymore, it's biased. It's biased towards certain artists, and it's biased towards vocal fluff and McProg. The pie has massive segments and tiny segments, that's just what ASOT is becoming like.

I didn't think this would cause so much offense, especially considering I'm actually a fan of Armin who is genuinely concerned about the well-being of his show. But whatever.

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Originally posted by Col http://xcolx.xasm.net/asot.png

Nice archive, but as you'll see I'm just as fan.
http://fp.badne.ws/avbarchive.jpg

For the end of this I'll say that Armin is the one who plays, but if he didn't have an audience ASOT would be long gone as he wouldn't have anyone to play for. Currently he's got more audience than ever

people, it just comes down to people that like ASOT have shitty taste in music. just as most people in the world are idiots...these people are the musical equivalent of that. you can't teach an idiot to think logically, just like you can't teach an ASOT listener to like good music





that should get things rolling hahaah

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince Nice archive, but as you'll see I'm just as fan. http://fp.badne.ws/avbarchive.jpg

Don't worry, I'm well aware that you're a massive fan, a bigger fan than I am. I only posted that screenshot so that you might give me some credability, and actually LISTEN to what I'm saying, since it is from the point of view of a fan and not the point of view of a hater.

And btw, I'm not responsible for any of the stuff Floorfiller just said. :P

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Originally posted by Col And btw, I'm not responsible for any of the stuff Floorfiller just said. :P

hahaha...i'm just trying to frustrate the ASOT kids anyway hahaha...



but i agree with a lot of what you said...some of it i disagree with like that part about amatuer producers and vocals...i have a slightly different stance, but i still think a lot of us have a lot of great reasons why we feel the way we do...it just seems like a lot of people aren't willing to listen to them and understand our side of it because they are too in awe of the dj's they like because that's all they know.

Here we go again..

Right, I dont like any of the big name dj's coz they don't play the type of trance I like.

Does that mean they should change what they play?

No.

I means I should go find a dj that DOES play what I like.

ffs, it's not the hard

When I mix, I play what I like, and any fanbase I generate will be so based on them liking it too.

People should stop looking to the famous djs for inspiration and innovation, as to be famous, one tends to have to adhere to your fanbase's sound.

People who are fans of ASOT like the type of music played in ASOT.
People who are fans of GU do the same.
Dave Clarke, ditto.
Ad nauseum.

DOES IT REALLY MATTER?!?!?!?

Fair play.

I just don't like seeing a good show that I've loved for years start to decline.

Wouldn't you say it's more a case of your tastes changing?

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince Hello ? You're talking about AvB, if one thing he is, is noticed and disected in everything he does. Btw. I don't see those 2 DJs (all respect to them) drop a trance anthem, no sorry I just don't.

armin is noticed on TA, but not in the wider world of edm - in fact, he's made fun of by a lot of dj's.

and thank gawd that james z, dekay or nic fancilli don't drop any trance anthems - each of them has created their own unique sound - dekay has created "trousy" - that's what makes them so much better than armin IMO. people of the edm world are talking about these dj's and saying they are paving the way for the next generation - armin ain't doing jack shit but spinning the same old boring trance anthems.

some good points made in this thread...by col and kr00t0n in particular...heres my 2 cents from a third persons perspective (or atleast my best effort at it )

i agree with col here n certainly think that the quality of the ''show'' ASOT in terms of variaty and versatility has gone down and has been for quite a while. But kr00t0n makes a good point here...if u dont like it...go elsewhere. That's where the real problem is....a lot of people are too lazy or challenged to try and look for stuff they want to hear...they want it handed to them on a silver platter...sitting in their rooms n getting to listen to stuff for free.

So to put things into perspective...should Armin change things around?
well..there r 2 ways of looking at it...the current easier-on-the-ear music is bringing a lot of new trancers (something that happens with most mass productions)...and that can only be a good thing...as with more demand there will be more supply.
on the other hand...as far as some of us old faithful are concerned...maybe its time to move on and stop complaining...wht we experienced a few yrs ago with the advent of ASOT might one day become a part of trance history...and we were lucky enough to be a part of it

cheers ppl

Good summary.

First and foremost I'm glad that you accept the show has declined a bit recently - it really has changed, so no it's not necessarily my "tastes changing". Perhaps I should look elsewhere. But I really believe Armin can do better and has done in the past, and I just wish he would take note and perhaps change things just a little on ASOT. More variety.

I agree with the fact that ASOT has gone narrower on its coverage of tracks. I don't think the quality declined as much as quantitive decline.

I disagree with the fact that you need a vocalists to make it big these days. I mean some of my favorite produces so as M.I.K.E. or Solid Globe never used vocalists and their songs are still huge. I mean now there is a new trend of using minial vocals and vocals as if it's just a sample (Whiteroom - The White Room).

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Originally posted by Floorfiller people, it just comes down to people that like ASOT have shitty taste in music. just as most people in the world are idiots...these people are the musical equivalent of that. you can't teach an idiot to think logically, just like you can't teach an ASOT listener to like good music

Well, it's true.

Oh, and Armin plays fluffy crap he doesn't like so he can be #1. It's a known fact.

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Originally posted by ctprincess armin is noticed on TA, but not in the wider world of edm - in fact, he's made fun of by a lot of dj's. and thank gawd that james z, dekay or nic fancilli don't drop any trance anthems - each of them has created their own unique sound - dekay has created "trousy" - that's what makes them so much better than armin IMO. people of the edm world are talking about these dj's and saying they are paving the way for the next generation - armin ain't doing jack shit but spinning the same old boring trance anthems.

Ok I'll tell you what I think about that.
Armin has his own sound it's called trance

Trance anthems are boring only in YOUR opinion,
personally I love them, for example I'd prefer hearing
Armin play just once Moogwai - Viola (Armin Remix)
than whole set of the people you mentioned.
Again - I respect what they do, but if any of them is talking
shit about Armin that makes me think they're fucking losers
with nothing better to do than be jealous because music
Armin is playing is more widely listened to than what they're
playing, and you agreeing with them makes me lose respect for you.

You say Armin is little known, who the hell then heard
of one Matthew Dekay? (who's a friend of Armin's btw., and so is Zabiela, they've all been seen together at WMC, maybe not closest friends but still have a professional attitude), the more I
read what you write, the more I think you don't like trance at all.
But you said it already yourself, you're into house music.

bah you didnt even know what IDM ment. your opinions are meaningless. boooooo! booooo! booo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

come back when you've had some experience with music and you have some sort of a clue...


fan boy


YOU WANT ARMINS BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ADMIT IT!!!!!!!!!1111






I dont care how much you can go on and how strongly you defend armin or whothefuckever, your too much like hydarnes in my books.

You can take that IDM and stick it somewhere.

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Originally posted by Col Fair play. I just don't like seeing a good show that I've loved for years start to decline.

It started a long time ago.

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince You can take that IDM and stick it somewhere.

gladly. *pops Eight Frozen Modules - Random Activities and Broken Sunsets in the stereo*

Hehehe, just realised that in all probability, if more 'innovative' trakcs started getting more commercial air, I bet the people who like to think themselves 'underground' would moan about it

I love it when people get arsey when 'their' genre becomes popular, so funny how some people react

ps. this post is a broad one, I don't mean anyone in specific

Don't like = don't listen.

It's really not that hard.

Um. Nothing caterse to everyone.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Hehehe, just realised that in all probability, if more 'innovative' trakcs started getting more commercial air, I bet the people who like to think themselves 'underground' would moan about it I love it when people get arsey when 'their' genre becomes popular, so funny how some people react ps. this post is a broad one, I don't mean anyone in specific

im sure i had some influence on you to post what you posted, at this time, and in this specific thread. if thats true, despite your post script, it has nothing to do with what i said. i wasnt trying to be "arsey" because i was some how offended by him not know anything about IDM or what it even is for that matter, my point was pretty clear (although VERY rought around the edges ) that it frustrates me that he thinks he is so sure of himself, but evidently knows shit all to be talking the way he is.

im sure i am, like most times, talking out of my ass on this one. and i understand that the post i made above was pretty seriously unneeded and immature. fresh prince, i apologize for what its worth. kr00ton, you get a thanks for (even unintentionally) making me aware of how fucking dumb a post i had. i dont have any reason to be angry either. carry on folks

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Originally posted by basd Don't like = don't listen. It's really not that hard.

its hard to resist getting frustrated about the supposed musical ignorance and stubbornness surrounding the typical ASOT fanboy

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