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Originally posted by Jem_hadar well we need air to beath in order to live (which can be proven) and im living... so i therefore chose to believe in the existence of air

but what about before people discovered that they needed "air" in order to live?

Atheist till the day jesus comes down and shows support for my records. Support those that support you!!!

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Originally posted by bass drive but what about before people discovered that they needed "air" in order to live?

i can see the way ur going with this, and thats a valid point. but it doesnt change the fact that i dont believe god exists currently and dont believe i ever will... i mean if something happens that somehow confirms he/she/it does...

but also, would the idea of air being explained to someone at a point when air coudlnt be "proven" to exist sound completely ludicrous? bc i personally find the notion of a god ludicrous and ridiculous

~Jem~

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Originally posted by DC- Atheist till the day jesus comes down and shows support for my records. Support those that support you!!!

Dont wait up.

Wait a second, didnt we determine Armin was the 2nd coming of Jesus...

Armin van Buuren de Jesus

jokes

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar but also, would the idea of air being explained to someone at a point when air coudlnt be "proven" to exist sound completely ludicrous? bc i personally find the notion of a god ludicrous and ridiculous ~Jem~

indeed, but that's the point; it does exist at the end

anyways, I understand how some people can find religions rediculios

if you don't believe in God, how can someone else be God? ie. armin.

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Originally posted by bass drive indeed, but that's the point; it does exist at the end anyways, I understand how some people can find religions rediculios

agree to disagree ?

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Originally posted by fiya some people believe that there's no God because you can't see him. you can't see air, yet we still breathe. amen.

Right on

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Originally posted by fiya if you don't believe in God, how can someone else be God? ie. armin.

Hehehe, bc i just like saying that

besides, saying that armin is god just kinda conveys that i think hes really awesome

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar agree to disagree ?

well, lets just say that I don't agree with alot of people who represent religion, doesn't mean that I think their way is the right way...

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Originally posted by bass drive well, lets just say that I don't agree with alot of people who represent religion, doesn't mean that I think their way is the right way...

I tend to be more disagreeable w/ idea of religion and whut often happens in its name than i am w/ the notion of god

the zealots drive me INSANE... i was down in the Rally/Durham area visting my best friend a couple years ago... i find how hardcore they are down there and how racist and often the stuff they profess in the name of their religion offensive and shocking and outrageous... thats not everyone of course, just an example of whut i dont like in particular!

i was staying staying w/ my buddy and his then soon-to-be wife... i was down there 2-3 weeks. i would never go to church w/ them on wed. night and sunday mornings tho. this prompted missy's (my buddys wife) mother to ask why id never come... and when she found out i was an atheist... lets just say i wasnt really welcome on her moms property anymore. even missy who is very religious really didnt like nolan hanging around an atheist. we came very close to not staying in touch when he moved down there bc of his wife... but me and missy have an understanding w/ eachother now and theres no more tension.

Missy's sister Amy is gay... down in NC many or most of the schools are run by chruches (not the state or guvernment) and she was kicked out of two schools for being gay once they found out.

being gay and livin in NC has been very hard for amy in general. pretty much a vast majority of the population there is against you. its NO WHERE NEAR as liberal as TO is w/ the matter (its a fuckn joke!)

My "faith" is common sense, education and logic.

You won't ever find me sitting there "accepting" anything because "God made it that way"

"Why is the Sky Blue? Cause God made it that way and it's not for us to question God"

To me...that is accepting being passive and not growing on your own two feet and being responsible.I question everything...and I always will.
Organiazed religion is just a way to cop out of understanding and accepting ignorance and fear. I'll pass on that thank you very much.

I will be asking the question "Why" till the day I kick the bucket (and probably even that won't get me to shut up lol)

+1 for the Atheist list

i disagree with a lot of religions, ie.. in order to be an accepted woman you have to "hide" your face or you will be dismembered.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar I tend to be more disagreeable w/ idea of religion and whut often happens in its name than i am w/ the notion of god the zealots drive me INSANE... i was down in the Rally/Durham area visting my best friend a couple years ago... i find how hardcore they are down there and how racist and often the stuff they profess in the name of their religion offensive and shocking and outrageous... thats not everyone of course, just an example of whut i dont like in particular!

ya I know. well imo, alot of relgion these days is modified for personal interest. I am not that religious really (well I am in concept), but I'd probably be labeled as sinner by the hardcore followers

I'm 100% atheist.

My gf is mostly agnostic I think... she was raised catholic but doesn't believe it all.

Every human being is born a weak atheist... a person who does not understand the concept of God and consequently cannot believe in it. The belief in God is only something acquired by indoctrination... people gain ideologies uncritically when they're younger and thus can be made to believe in things not founded upon logic (ie religion, cultural beliefs, etc). Modern culture has sooo many beliefs that people take for granted... and they're beliefs that people don't even know they have. For example, religion supports the idea that man has the right to rule the world, instead of just living as another mammal. People have the unfounded belief that technology somehow makes the world a better place, while our stressful, painful lives have us working 40+ hours a week when nomadic hunter-gatherers had to work 2 hours a day.

The principles of religion support ideas that favour human life and growth (why else has religion became so prevalent?), but they haven't been tested for sustainability. Religion is deliberately constructed to support its own growth... for example, catholicism forbids birth control and supports procreation, which in turn increases the number of catholics. For sustainable development, no couple should have more than 2 kids (except for extras to make up for those who choose not to have kids), but few religions support this (I have no desire to ever have children, by the way). A religion that discouraged procreation would die out in a land full of religions that believe that "every sperm is sacred".

The problem is that this method isn't sustainable. Religion assumes that humanity can grow without bounds. God created the Earth for man to rule it and turn it into a paradise. The problem is that paradise isn't happening because the assumptions religion makes are untested and unproven. You can't build a civilization by trial and error.

So I not only denounce religion because of its logical fallacies (which you're all aware of), but I also am strongly against it because it is responsible for a lot of the evils in this world.

Another point... religion makes enemies of our natural instincts. Greed and lust are sins? Unfortunately, they're requirements for evolution to take place, and since religion claims that man is above evolution (he's not an animal, after all), these traits become bad ones.

Religion isn't 100% of the problem, but it's so dangerous because people think it's a solution. It's not. Every human being on this Earth could live their life according to the Bible, and we'd still destroy the planet.

100% athiest.

I say "oh my god" several times a day. It is embedded in my vocabulary, and I just like saying it. I also say Armin is god. Both of these sayings are in different context to the actual "God" that so many people are brainwashed into believing in !!

I am thankful that somone created this big fat magical story they call The Bible, because it has left us with some seriously amazing art and architecture !! It also gives us good frday off so we can party at Decadence every year.

I love how all these Athiests here act like any who believes in a higher power is automatically labelled an ignorant, naive, brain-washed and simple-minded individuals What a fucking joke!

I'm agnostic, but please don't add me to the list. I'd rather be caught with my hand in my pants than be associated with such arrogance

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I'm agnostic, but please don't add me to the list. I'd rather be caught with my hand in my pants than be associated with such arrogance

pwn3d

God is a DJ. thats what i believe

Ampz

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Originally posted by DJ_Ampz God is a DJ. thats what i believe Ampz

Best post in this whole thread !!

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I love how all these Athiests here act like any who believes in a higher power is automatically labelled an ignorant, naive, brain-washed and simple-minded individuals What a fucking joke! I'm agnostic, but please don't add me to the list. I'd rather be caught with my hand in my pants than be associated with such arrogance

It's all about tolerance, man. It's not as if people can't be friends if they have different beliefs. How many conservatives do you know with liberal friends, and vice versa? They probably think that people of different political opinions are stupid, ignorant, brain-washed, etc, but it doesn't mean they have less respect or don't want to be friends.

And with respect to brain-washing, yes, most religions perpetuate themselves by indoctrination. Why are the children of Catholics more likely to be Catholic than the children of Shintos or Hindus? The minds of children are much, much, much more easy to convince of beliefs founded upon faulty logic than adults are.

Kids are gullible... that's why you can convince them of the existance of Santa Claus. When you try to convince them of the existance of God, they're more likely to believe you than adults are, and are more likely to adopt those same beliefs and carry them into adulthood. Of course, most religious families indoctrinate their children into believing in God much more deeply than they do about Santa Claus, so the belief is harder to dispel. Santa Claus gets focused on once per year; many religious parents force their kids to pray every day and send them to some kind of service once a week, so they're constantly exposed to it. It's just very difficult for people to abandon those kind of beliefs when they're so deeply ingrained in their lives.

There are very few people who grow up as Atheists and become religious later in life. A far greater number of people grow up in a religious home and decide to become Atheist or Agnostic later in life.

And c'mon man... update that list!

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot It's all about tolerance, man. It's not as if people can't be friends if they have different beliefs. How many conservatives do you know with liberal friends, and vice versa? They probably think that people of different political opinions are stupid, ignorant, brain-washed, etc, but it doesn't mean they have less respect or don't want to be friends. And with respect to brain-washing, yes, most religions perpetuate themselves by indoctrination. Why are the children of Catholics more likely to be Catholic than the children of Shintos or Hindus? The minds of children are much, much, much more easy to convince of beliefs founded upon faulty logic than adults are. Kids are gullible... that's why you can convince them of the existance of Santa Claus. When you try to convince them of the existance of God, they're more likely to believe you than adults are, and are more likely to adopt those same beliefs and carry them into adulthood. Of course, most religious families indoctrinate their children into believing in God much more deeply than they do about Santa Claus, so the belief is harder to dispel. Santa Claus gets focused on once per year; many religious parents force their kids to pray every day and send them to some kind of service once a week, so they're constantly exposed to it. It's just very difficult for people to abandon those kind of beliefs when they're so deeply ingrained in their lives. There are very few people who grow up as Atheists and become religious later in life. A far greater number of people grow up in a religious home and decide to become Atheist or Agnostic later in life.

def agree with everything you say, you couldnt have put it in better words

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot And with respect to brain-washing, yes, most religions perpetuate themselves by indoctrination. Why are the children of Catholics more likely to be Catholic than the children of Shintos or Hindus? The minds of children are much, much, much more easy to convince of beliefs founded upon faulty logic than adults are.

its a psychologically known fact that human nature involves passing on customs, traits and traditions on to offsprings as a way of life to withold and use for guidance until of a right age to make their own choices when on their own.

the shit ur saying about shintos and hindus not passing on their religion is total BS. if that was the case, hinduisnm wouldnt be in existence till today despite it being way older than the catholic faith which is comparatively new....

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee the shit ur saying about shintos and hindus not passing on their religion is total BS. if that was the case, hinduisnm wouldnt be in existence till today despite it being way older than the catholic faith which is comparatively new....

You misunderstood... I mean that the children of Shintos and Hindus are not CATHOLIC!

Edit: I'll clarify by adding the following:

The argument I'm trying to make is that people tend to follow their own kind. If your parents are Hindu, then it's more likely that you will be Hindu than be Catholic, because of the beliefs that your parents indoctrinated you with. You claim that parents give their children these beliefs to guide them before they can make their own decisions, but most parents don't want their children to ever make a decision to change from the religion they were brought up with. I think the intent of most parents who are raising their children Hindu is that the child will be a Hindu forever.

To me, that is taking advantage of the child's immaturity because it is so much harder for them to change their beliefs later in life.

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