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Originally posted by karim Culture is no longer created from the bottom up but fed to us from the top down.

The top (God) made the bottom (culture) bpossible...

God bless Pope John Paul II. He made his world a better place with his presense, changing peoples lives. He did everything he could to get the message across, all over the world, that we must love eachother and love ourselfs. Peace on earth.

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Originally posted by Playa24_7 God bless Pope John Paul II. He made his world a better place with his presense, changing peoples lives. He did everything he could to get the message across, all over the world, that we must love eachother and love ourselfs. Peace on earth.

Agreed.

it's nice to see all those different types of people there, from middle east, to that crazy bush

what kind of christian is Bush anyways?
probably some crazy new sect

Although, I personally find the Modern Catholic Church very hypocritical and the pontiff typically more of a figurehead. Pope John Paul II was a testament. He survived one of the greatest tragedies of our time for a purpose. To spread peace, joy and tranquility across the World!

For this I have the utmost respect and admiration, He should be missed by all mankind and will not be easily replaced!

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Originally posted by bass drive what kind of christian is Bush anyways?

Good question.

Let's see what we have today... oh yes the good 'ol republicans using the Popes death to further their own agenda by comparing themselves to the Pope. The Pope believed in a culture of life, and hey President Bush has long believed in a culture of life according to the White House press secretary. But oh, when you bring up the death penalty conflict, well that's just taboo now. Please don't disrespect the passing of this great Pope who was a great pillar of humanity and freedom by pointing out our own damn hypocrisy!!!

Oh and by the way, the Pope was against the war in Iraq too, saying it would be a "defeat for humanity". The Vatican called it "illegal", "immoral", and "unjust".

Good 'ol Bush is so much like the Pope, now aint he?

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Karim, I hope, please, be drunk......

Yeah, he was loaded...

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Originally posted by SurrJRS Good question.

I believe Bush is a Christian, not a Roman Catholic.

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Originally posted by karim Alright, JP2 was a great guy, and he meant well to the world, but seriously, how much of this massive world mourning can you accredit to mass hysteria fueled by the media. Not to disrespect the guy, but if it wasn't for all the specials on him lately, how much would you actually know about the guy....or care. Not singling out anybody in particular, just an observation. I mean, it parallels princess diana's death in the sense that when she died, everyone was upset, heart broken even, such a shame that the "princess" died. But I think these emotions were drawn out by the media. Culture is no longer created from the bottom up but fed to us from the top down. Karim

I couldn't disagree more. The outpouring of love for JPII is from the bottom up, and the mainstream media could not ignore it and has had to respond to it.

I will say this about Bush:

His tribute to JPII was much more heartfelt than the "Catholic" Paul Martin's. Also, the U.S. currently has flags at half-staff... does Canada? That's such a great honour for a religious leader.


edit: Bush is a Methodist

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Yeah, he was loaded...

I wasn't that drunk, my opinion stands.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf I couldn't disagree more. The outpouring of love for JPII is from the bottom up, and the mainstream media could not ignore it and has had to respond to it.

To SOME extent, the worlds cares and concerns for JP2 are valid (mainly devout catholics), and they made him a cultural icon from the bottom up, HOWEVER, a huge portion of the people that care right now (your neighbours, your friends, etc.) had their feelings completely influenced by the media. These are the same people who would skip over a POPE story if reading the news paper back when he was alive and well, but in his death, they all of a sudden care.


Karim

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Originally posted by karim I wasn't that drunk, my opinion stands.

Your opinion isn't the issue.

You picked a piss poor place to voice it.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Your opinion isn't the issue. You picked a piss poor place to voice it.

Should I have started my own thread? I didn't realize this thread was sacred.

You may consider my post disrespect, but I think all this fake love for JP2 is disrespect. If they were to be respectful, they woulda cared when he was alive.


Karim

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Originally posted by karim Should I have started my own thread? I didn't realize this thread was sacred. You may consider my post disrespect, but I think all this fake love for JP2 is disrespect. If they were to be respectful, they woulda cared when he was alive. Karim

do you assume that they didn't when he was ? who is giving him fake love? Prince Reiner of Monaco died just recently, i have absolutely no connection to him whatsoever, nonethless out of respect i wish him peace, is that considered fake love? a lot of people never even knew Cinar Onat when he passed away here, yet they still feel inclined to pay their respects, what a shame to see all that fake love ..

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To SOME extent, the worlds cares and concerns for JP2 are valid (mainly devout catholics), and they made him a cultural icon from the bottom up, HOWEVER, a huge portion of the people that care right now (your neighbours, your friends, etc.) had their feelings completely influenced by the media. These are the same people who would skip over a POPE story if reading the news paper back when he was alive and well, but in his death, they all of a sudden care.

i personally don't know a whole lot of people who aren't Catholic that are going out of their way about all this just because they suddenly 'care' that JP2 has now died. where do you come up with these generalizations ?

atleast he's been laid to rest, so now you can expect a lot less of this tiresome media attention about him as you seem to see it .. the Pope was hoping to make the world a better place, whether that be through life or death.

RIP JP2

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Originally posted by dEsidEL i personally don't know a whole lot of people who aren't Catholic that are going out of their way about all this just because they suddenly 'care' that JP2 has now died. where do you come up with these generalizations ? atleast he's been laid to rest, so now you can expect a lot less of this tiresome media attention about him as you seem to see it .. the Pope was hoping to make the world a better place, whether that be through life or death.

I see it everywhere, amongst my friends (who never practice religion), classmates, etc. He's a great guy and he meant well, that's great. He cared to spread world peace and that's very nobel of him. But don't get me wrong, I feel he should have gotten more attention and respect from all these hipocrits around me when he was alive rather than in his death. I'm not saying people shouldn't care now that he's dead, I'm saying people should've cared when he was alive.

And I'll be honest, I didn't pay much attention to his life at all, but I'm also not one to mourn his death half as much as some of the people who were like me.


Karim

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Originally posted by karim I see it everywhere, amongst my friends (who never practice religion), classmates, etc. He's a great guy and he meant well, that's great. He cared to spread world peace and that's very nobel of him. But don't get me wrong, I feel he should have gotten more attention and respect from all these hipocrits around me when he was alive rather than in his death. I'm not saying people shouldn't care now that he's dead, I'm saying people should've cared when he was alive. And I'll be honest, I didn't pay much attention to his life at all, but I'm also not one to mourn his death half as much as some of the people who were like me. Karim

well you're right .. i really shouldn't have paid my respects to Prince Reiner when he died seeing as how i knew virtually nothing about him when he was alive, nor would i have cared less at the time he was alive when something about him was on the news.. i suppose he's quite undeserving of my respect now in that regard?

perhaps you should go on a crusade preaching the absence of tribute, grief, or mourning in the event of someone's death for which they were never really recognized during life by that individual, due to hypocrisy. if you would like i can provide you the names of various individuals here who posted condolences in Cinar Onat's tribute thread when he passed away who knew nothing about him or even knew he existed for that matter until his untimely death. that must be quite disrespectful to him based on what you're saying.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL well you're right .. i really shouldn't have paid my respects to Prince Reiner when he died seeing as how i knew virtually nothing about him when he was alive, nor would i have cared less at the time he was alive when something about him was on the news.. i suppose he's quite undeserving of my respect now in that regard? perhaps you should go on a crusade preaching the absence of tribute, grief, or mourning in the event of someone's death for which they were never really recognized during life by that individual, due to hypocrisy. if you would like i can provide you the names of various individuals here who posted condolences in Cinar Onat's tribute thread when he passed away who knew nothing about him or even knew he existed for that matter until his untimely death. that must be quite disrespectful to him based on what you're saying.

Are you kidding me? You're putting words in my mouth dude.

It's ok to give your respects when somebody dies, but all I'm saying is to make a big deal about it, act like you've suffered a great loss, and make it a conversational focal point for days if not weeks after the actual death is a little much, if one never seemed to care before.

btw. terrible taste to bring Cinar into this.


Karim

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Originally posted by karim Are you kidding me? You're putting words in my mouth dude. It's ok to give your respects when somebody dies, but all I'm saying is to make a big deal about it, act like you've suffered a great loss, and make it a conversational focal point for days if not weeks after the actual death is a little much, if one never seemed to care before. btw. terrible taste to bring Cinar into this. Karim

i don't think it's terrible taste at all to compare this with other losses suffered. why does JP2 deserve any less attention or respect from anyone just because he's a public figure? i don't know who your friends are that seem to be making such a big deal about his loss as you seem to put it, but honestly what does it matter ?

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Originally posted by dEsidEL i don't know who your friends are that seem to be making such a big deal about his loss as you seem to put it

Every polish person I know.

The pope deserved respect and was quite honestly one of the few honest souls in the world. However the media is nutorious for drawing emotion out of a crowd which would otherwise not shed a tear.

I'll compare his death to the public outcry that was shown for Princess Diana, or JFK jr.

They died and recieved so much attention and people actually cried for them who have never met or even knew who they really were. It matters to me because I hate how the media does this when somebody famous dies.


Karim

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Originally posted by karim Every polish person I know. The pope deserved respect and was quite honestly one of the few honest souls in the world. However the media is nutorious for drawing emotion out of a crowd which would otherwise not shed a tear. I'll compare his death to the public outcry that was shown for Princess Diana, or JFK jr. They died and recieved so much attention and people actually cried for them who have never met or even knew who they really were. It matters to me because I hate how the media does this when somebody famous dies. Karim

if your friends suddenly feel inclined to bring attention to the Pope's death despite having known nothing about him previously, then atleast they might learn something positive about what he's done in the process. if that ever becomes the case, i can't say that's all that bad.

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