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Green party on my part.

For all the people out there voting green: if you saw the conservatives were leading would you change and vote for the liberals?

Les valeurs entre le NPD et le partie Vert se rejoingnent non?

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Originally posted by sEpH Les valeurs entre le NPD et le partie Vert se rejoingnent non?

Except the NPD has a much better chance of winning. Well, actually, it's usually and probably will once again be a close race between the conservatives and the liberals.

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Originally posted by Marcus007 For all the people out there voting green: if you saw the conservatives were leading would you change and vote for the liberals?

Absolutely not. And there are many points that need to be discussed. The argument against voting for the Greens in the above scenario goes something like this: If you vote for the Greens, and the Conservatives are neck to neck with the Liberals, then you risk having the Conservatives in power and you've wasted your vote. Although perhaps in the short term, having the Conservatives in power is much worse than the Liberals, in the long run, it's good for democracy and the country, but not because the Conservatives are any good (because they're atrocious). It's because you've stuck to principles that you espouse and adhere to, and acknowledged that though the road ahead may be tough to climb, the road has to start somewhere. If you truly believe in the Green party platform, you owe yourself and democracy a favour to vote according to your principles. For those that say, yes, but not now because [...], I say when? There's never a "good" time, so I choose to vote my conscious now.

Secondly, with enough votes, the Green party will have seats represented in parliament (if they pass that magical threashold), so the vote would not be a waste, since our democracy is not a zero-sum game (unlike our neighbours to the South). Furthermore, the Liberals would probably still be the main opposition, so the Conservatives would probably lead a minority government, which wouldnt last more than a couple of years, so we wouldn't be doomed.

Finally, in this specific case, voting Liberal would reward them for their corruption scandals. If the Conservatives get into power, then that will teach the Liberals to shape up next time, or face similar consequences. Thus, by not voting Liberal and voting Green, you're sending a dual message: a message about your personal preference for platforms (Green over Liberal), but also a message about government accountability. This implies that you're willing to live with the Conservatives for a while despite their sickening agenda, which sends an extremely powerful message to our pathetic politicians that currently run the show in Ottawa.

Change has to start somewhere and sometime, so why not here and now?

I'd rather see the Liberal or NDP party in power then the conservatives

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Originally posted by jesteraver I'd rather see the Liberal or NDP party in power then the conservatives

I'm glad you took my post to heart

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The argument against voting for the Greens in the above scenario goes something like this: If you vote for the Greens, and the Conservatives are neck to neck with the Liberals, then you risk having the Conservatives in power and you've wasted your vote.

No, the problem with the Green party is they simply have no chance of winning. Just look at the 2004 election results, the Green party wasn't even able to win one seat - not even ONE.

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If you truly believe in the Green party platform, you owe yourself and democracy a favour to vote according to your principles. For those that say, yes, but not now because [...], I say when? There's never a "good" time, so I choose to vote my conscious now.

In an idealistic world, I'd completely agree with you. But, Canada is the furthest thing from an idealistic world and so I'd have to disagree with you on this point. Yes, we do owe it to democracy and to ourselves to vote according to our principles, but, realistically by doing this we could elect a party who would most likely destroy everything the Liberal party had been working towards.

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Secondly, with enough votes, the Green party will have seats represented in parliament (if they pass that magical threashold), so the vote would not be a waste, since our democracy is not a zero-sum game (unlike our neighbours to the South).

Operative word here: (if they pass that magical threashold)

So as it stands at this day and time, a vote for the Green party would still be a wasted vote.

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Furthermore, the Liberals would probably still be the main opposition, so the Conservatives would probably lead a minority government, which wouldnt last more than a couple of years, so we wouldn't be doomed.

This would be fine and dandy, but it still relies on the law being
passed.

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Finally, in this specific case, voting Liberal would reward them for their corruption scandals. If the Conservatives get into power, then that will teach the Liberals to shape up next time, or face similar consequences. Thus, by not voting Liberal and voting Green, you're sending a dual message: a message about your personal preference for platforms (Green over Liberal), but also a message about government accountability. This implies that you're willing to live with the Conservatives for a while despite their sickening agenda, which sends an extremely powerful message to our pathetic politicians that currently run the show in Ottawa.

So... let's damn the country for the next few years in hopes that the Liberals will finally learn their lesson and shape up? I don't seem to understand how this adds up.

In addition, you'd still probably have the same amount of snakes in the Conservative caucus, I mean damn, just look at Harper.

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Change has to start somewhere and sometime, so why not here and now?

If only it were so easy, Epicurus. I for one think the Liberals have already learned their lesson and have cleaned up their act. I just don't think anyone or anything could justify me voting for a party with no chance at winning (not even ONE seat,) or another who would destroy what we know of Canada.

I definately agree with Epicurus...we need to send out the message that we won't accept corruption. With all the publicity about the Liberal party's wrongdoings, voting for them just shows that everything's OK and we forgive them. I say fuck that...I'd rather have Conservatives in power than go out and blatantly vote for corruption...

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Originally posted by Epicurus I'm glad you took my post to heart

ur welcome bud.

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Originally posted by malek ca va pas si mal aux US �conomiquement parlant... politiquement c'est une autre histoire

ca va TRES mal aux states en ce moment.....
javais pas grand chose a faire a la job dimanche pass�, fak jai lu beaucoup.....et yavais un tres bon article sur les states dans l'Actualit�....

oui, sans doute que ya des exag�rations ou wtv.....mais ca va pas full bien mettons....
disons que si ya pas de changements majeurs dici 5-10 ans.....la dette des states s�l�vera a quoi....40 000....milliards!!!

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Originally posted by LiGHT78 With all the publicity about the Liberal party's wrongdoings,

Hmm, I wonder who masterminded all the HUGE news stories about their wrongdoings? :P

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I say fuck that...I'd rather have Conservatives in power than go out and blatantly vote for corruption...

Dude, you gotta read up on the Conservative party. Just check out their agenda. :X

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Dude, you gotta read up on the Conservative party. Just check out their agenda. :X

Whats their agenda like?

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Originally posted by Marcus007 For all the people out there voting green: if you saw the conservatives were leading would you change and vote for the liberals?

Nah man I'd stick with Green, not gonna give my vote to anyone else. If people just vote for the parties that have a good chance of winning we'll never get anywhere, talk about following the crowd. Got to stand up for what you believe in no matter what. IMO

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Originally posted by jesteraver Whats their agenda like?

Anti QC.
Pro US.
Pro easier gun laws.
anti-abortion.
anti same-sex marriages.

Sounds a bit like republicans, eh? :P

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Originally posted by Marcus007 Anti QC. Pro US. Pro easier gun laws. anti-abortion. anti same-sex marriages. Sounds a bit like republicans, eh? :P

Had a feeling u say that. Do they have anything to help the rich get richer, in that plan?

NDP,
they are the only legit party that have good idea on social issues and have a legit chance of getting a seats.

economics i would vote liberal, but i haven't ever voted liberal. and time to get a few of them out of there

my only concern is that i don't want the conservative to win if there was a new election, but since i no longer live in ontario, quebec is more of a battle between BLOC and liberal. this too me is the most critical province because ontario is always liberal/conservative/a few NDP.

I just wish ppl would stop voting BLOC because they don't wanna vote liberal. why can't they vote NDP or anyone else. NOt freaking bloc

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Originally posted by Mike_B I just wish ppl would stop voting BLOC because they don't wanna vote liberal. why can't they vote NDP or anyone else. NOt freaking bloc

more and more quebecers are voting liberal against their will cause they dont want the convervatives to win......
and im still voting bloc btw

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Originally posted by Epicurus A fellow Marijuana party voter Go Green, although NDP is always agreat second option.

ya i vote Marijuana back in 2000
god that felt great
lol

last time i voted NDP
my riding was something like this
12000 liberal, 8000 conservative and 6000 NDP, plus others

anyways

one more point to make

everyone voting green. seriously, look at the NDP agenda. very very similar to the green parties. green party are just slightly more radical on their stace. Reason why i mention this is many ppl that vote green could have vote NDP last election and cause NDP to win seat rather then liberal/conservative. but spliting this in two caused alot less vote to be cast for either party

i think green needs to unite with NDP and stop splitting the votes.

what kind of blows is the fact that economicly, im quite conservative. but socialy completly liberal

so socially NDP is great, economicly i disagree with many of their stand point.

but i can't in good conscience elect the conservative/liberals/bloc


for example, im completly for privatization of healtcare, so long as health care as is remains.

why.

if you privatize healthcare, then rich ppl will pay for better healthcare at some private clinic. this in turn will open up space for me at a regular clinic and cause the goverment not to spend as much money on it and have more money for better equipement

its a simple matter of balance

not like the state with completly privatized heath system. you our current system plus the option to go to a private clinic

make sence to me

NDP is against this

then again, so is pretty much every other party so makes no difference. not sure about conservatives

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Originally posted by Marcus007 Anti QC. Pro US. Pro easier gun laws. anti-abortion. anti same-sex marriages. Sounds a bit like republicans, eh? :P

J'ai jamais vu qqn qui connait aussi bien un programme que �a...
je suis sure que tu as m�me jamais lu un programme d'un parti...

Moi je parle pu avec vous de politique
vous �tes trop une bande d'illettr� politiquement...

moi jme piece...



La commision Gomery pour moi...
J'assiste a toute
jvois toute
JFais toute
je d�nonce toute

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Originally posted by Bronze J'ai jamais vu qqn qui connait aussi bien un programme que �a... je suis sure que tu as m�me jamais lu un programme d'un parti... Moi je parle pu avec vous de politique vous �tes trop une bande d'illettr� politiquement... moi jme piece... La commision Gomery pour moi... J'assiste a toute jvois toute JFais toute je d�nonce toute

My God, I never thought I'd see the day when a french-canadian would support the conservatives.

http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/hom...raw+FE04Jun20+2

(Great picture of Bush... err Harper there as well)

It's fine if you don't wanna speak to me about politics, but at least explain to me your point of view before being rude.

I was simply summing up everything that party believed in. Trust me my friend, you would not see any of this in their program, but that doesn't mean they don't believe in it.

Oh yeah, I really would love to hear your point of view regarding the Conservatives. But don't worry, I won't insult you and call you a:

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bande d'illettr� politiquement...

EDIT!

Wait, I'm not done.

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Anti QC.

http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/displaypackstory?2004/06/20+278.raw+FE04Jun20+2

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Pro US.

From the horse's mouth (their official site):

Canada�s Place in the World
The Conservative Party will fight for Canada�s national interest. We will stand with our allies and international bodies against terrorism and for the basic values of freedom and democracy.

It even continues:

Canada � US Relations
The Conservative Party will fight for our primary producers in trade disputes. We will stand shoulder to shoulder with the US when we can so that we can sit eyeball to eyeball when we must.

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Pro easier gun laws.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...s&hl=en&start=1

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anti-abortion

http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-c...-jun-4-04.shtml

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anti same-sex marriages

http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/legal/con120405.htm

You sir, have been pwned.

d'ailleurs bronze si tu ne veux pu nous parler j'exige que tu lises l'article de l'actualit� sur les states dont sim parle... et dis nous ce que t'en penses...

La phrase est tellement frappante dans le texte : "C'est comme si les baby-boomers se payaient un gros party immense et qu'ils laissaient tout les jeunes faire la vaiselle apr�s!"

c'est le m�me d�bat que les pr�ts-bourses, l'�quit� entre g�n�ration
m�me chose pour l'environnement "apres nous le d�luge"

Que des vieux ingrats appuient �a en disant je serai mort de toute fa�on , je comprends
mais que des jeunes comme toi appuient �a, c scandaleux

fais juste lire l'article bronze , lis le

Hmmm Bronze, where are you?

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