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funny how you guys didnt even comment on the UPSIDEDOWN poster in that pic!! LOL I even told phil afterwards, but hes like naw thats makes it more memorable!!!

I did hear one good track come from dj jimmy "the only comeback i have for this guy telling me i suck is saying 'fuck you' over and over and having the bouncers take care of it for me" jostlin was The Killers - Somebody Told Me, dont know what remix though, breaksie of course, still got my attention though cuz i like that track.

and Legato dont pay attention to mdamon, all he does is complain anyway

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Originally posted by Legato Did you guys know that there is actually a trance night in this town? Alex Sabre and Kevin Keith play at Red Square every Saturday night. They play kickass trance. For house fans, have you ever heard of Ernie Turner, Buckner, Sean Davis, Soulpatch, Agave, Rob Slac... man the list goes on.

Legato, im not sure if you have done it before but, can you make posts on these events, when, where, cover cost and such. Id like to check them out. Thanks!!

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Originally posted by ClubGoddess Legato, im not sure if you have done it before but, can you make posts on these events, when, where, cover cost and such. Id like to check them out. Thanks!!

Well, in the past, the main problem has been that events that I've posted for have been 21+. Obviously, nobody is to blame for that. I wish everyone could be at these events who wanted to go, but that's not what my angsty reply was about. On that note, I'm really glad that Stan is going to be able to come to more of these events soon. I'd love to get him involved in more of what goes on locally... cuz he's a cool cat.

As far as finding out more info about local events, there is one board based here in Orlando that is very positive and promotes everything that they can find out about on their message board. They have a great events section and the best moderators I've ever seen on the Internet. It's called SceneOrlando, and the admins are about one thing, cultivating the Orlando EDM scene. If I reposted every even posting on there, I would probably be shut down for spamming the TA board!

On that note it looks like Max Graham will be at the House of Blues on the 29th.

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Originally posted by fmaretti On that note it looks like Max Graham will be at the House of Blues on the 29th.

yeah I saw the flyer...and Id be there if it wasnt for a final the next morning

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Originally posted by Legato You know, I can't speak for North Florida, but the scene here in Orlando has definitely come upon hard times. With all of this negativity, what do you expect. A scene isn't created by club owners or politicians or DJs. You make your own scene. You are responsible for its upkeep. Negativity adds to its demise. I'm not targeting you specifically, mdamon7278, but my posts on this board are few and far between because I see nothing but negativity and self-sustaining cliques on this board. I'm probably going to be hated for this, but if you people want something positive to happen here, go out and support your local DJs. Get involved with other local message boards. The scene where you live needs to be grown and nurtured. There are so many talented people in this town who can rock your socks off, and they're never going to play on the ideal sound system for you to hear them on if they don't have your support. Did you guys know that there is actually a trance night in this town? Alex Sabre and Kevin Keith play at Red Square every Saturday night. They play kickass trance. For house fans, have you ever heard of Ernie Turner, Buckner, Sean Davis, Soulpatch, Agave, Rob Slac... man the list goes on. All of those guys are great at what they do, all different breeds of house. You don't know unless you support your local scene... and you wonder why Jimmy Joslin is the highest paid DJ in town? It's b/c the people who love the good music don't support it! It's not Jimmy's fault. He's what's hot, because what's hot is determined by who is spending money at the local venues. You all need to contribute to that. My two cents... don't hate, participate!

I am sorry, but I can't even say in words how wrong you are. I try to do everything I can to support the scene, sometimes even breaking the gay-ass 21+ rules (such as Rhythm & Flow and Red Square). I try to attend those nights that you speak of every time I can. I tell all my friends to come. I also see people on daily basis bitching and whining why there is no good talent coming into Orlando. People that would actually go to such events. Also, every time I played at Flow, it was a big success and thankfully to Chris, I keep getting rebooked there. And the scene keeps going down. You know why? Because most clubs make more money on the regular hip-hop, top-40 shits night than on the regular really-good-turnout trance night. Also, most of the promoters don't know jack shit in this town. They'd rather book someone who plays some phat Florida breaks or dnb. No one wants to listen to ****** trance, right?

So, don't blame us. People who run the shit in this town are either sold out or have no idea what are they doing. Oh, and did I mention fuck-me-in-the-ass 21+ rules. Who's fault is that? Clubbers'?

Sorry for venting my anger here. I am just so friggin frustrated.

I LOVE 21+ !!

Speaking of trance night in Red Square. Once I am done with the finals, you'll see me there behind decks too. I already had a word with Kevin.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 I am sorry, but I can't even say in words how wrong you are. I try to do everything I can to support the scene, sometimes even breaking the gay-ass 21+ rules (such as Rhythm & Flow and Red Square). I try to attend those nights that you speak of every time I can. I tell all my friends to come. I also see people on daily basis bitching and whining why there is no good talent coming into Orlando. People that would actually go to such events. Also, every time I played at Flow, it was a big success and thankfully to Chris, I keep getting rebooked there. And the scene keeps going down. You know why? Because most clubs make more money on the regular hip-hop, top-40 shits night than on the regular really-good-turnout trance night. Also, most of the promoters don't know jack shit in this town. They'd rather book someone who plays some phat Florida breaks or dnb. No one wants to listen to ****** trance, right?

Stan, I don't know where your animosity is coming from. First of all, I complimented you in the my first thread. Second of all, you restated half of what I said in your first paragraph. Third of all, I addressed the age issue, which is what affects you, mostly. Additionally, if you speak with Chris, I'm sure that he'll agree with most everything that I said here. I know Chris, and I'm sure that he feels himself fortunate to have something steady in this town that doesn't require support from a local scene that only exists in cliques.

If you think Florida breaks and DnB are all that's going on around here, you are not paying attention. There are two DnB nights in this whole town, and Florida breaks are only really played in two venues consistently in downtown (Alpha and Thee Grotto), and they don't even play "Florida" breaks, most nights (a lot of progressive breaks and nu skool breaks). The dominant genre being played in this town is house music (tech, tribal, funky, progressive... you name it), and it's being played everywhere. If you aren't aware, then you aren't paying attention, and that's no one's fault but your own. If you're feeling angsty toward club owners for having rules about 21+, well man, that's a very very small part of the problem. They have legal obligations that I'm sure you don't understand that make their lives a lot easier if they only allow 21+ patrons (but we have had this discussion before, although your argument doesn't reflect that you've ever heard a word that I said).

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 So, don't blame us. People who run the shit in this town are either sold out or have no idea what are they doing. Oh, and did I mention fuck-me-in-the-ass 21+ rules. Who's fault is that? Clubbers'?

I'm not just blaming TA here... don't misunderstand. But if you think that anyone other than fans are responsible for getting something going again in Orlando, you are way off base and haven't been around long enough to know what you're talking about. I'm sorry to call you out like this, but you have taken a very immature stance to a very valid argument. I thought you had your head screwed on a little straighter than that.

On a more positive note, I'm really happy that things are going well for you at Flow. That's awesome! One question though... do you really think that Flow caters to the local EDM scene at all? They have more restrictions for entry than any other venue in town. They represent the very thing that you're angry about in your argument.

For me, cliques are the biggest pain in the ass out there. Especially one-genre-only cliques.

If I'm doing an event, Pulseradio, Reflex, SceneOrlando people are sure to come out...but even with massive advertising, many other groups just stay at home. People tend to only support events thrown by their people, cause everyone knows a DJ or knows a promoter, even when there's no competition involved.

It's too factioned. If we were an actual whole scene and not just a bunch of bitchy groups floating around supporting their friends and only their friends, we'd do better.

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Originally posted by ClubGoddess yeah I saw the flyer...and Id be there if it wasnt for a final the next morning

I think I will have to be there. I don't think I will miss Mr. Graham. I guess will be the first in a while that I have been that I won't see you there.

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Originally posted by Legato Stan, I don't know where your animosity is coming from. First of all, I complimented you in the my first thread. Second of all, you restated half of what I said in your first paragraph. Third of all, I addressed the age issue, which is what affects you, mostly. Additionally, if you speak with Chris, I'm sure that he'll agree with most everything that I said here. I know Chris, and I'm sure that he feels himself fortunate to have something steady in this town that doesn't require support from a local scene that only exists in cliques.

Actually, you would be surprised. Chris and I have a lot more common opinion-wise. We did not discuss the age issue; however, there are many people who are in the 18-20 range and who are eager to attend such events.

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If you think Florida breaks and DnB are all that's going on around here, you are not paying attention. There are two DnB nights in this whole town, and Florida breaks are only really played in two venues consistently in downtown (Alpha and Thee Grotto), and they don't even play "Florida" breaks, most nights (a lot of progressive breaks and nu skool breaks). The dominant genre being played in this town is house music (tech, tribal, funky, progressive... you name it), and it's being played everywhere. If you aren't aware, then you aren't paying attention, and that's no one's fault but your own. If you're feeling angsty toward club owners for having rules about 21+, well man, that's a very very small part of the problem. They have legal obligations that I'm sure you don't understand that make their lives a lot easier if they only allow 21+ patrons (but we have had this discussion before, although your argument doesn't reflect that you've ever heard a word that I said).

Oh I am aware of those events, I go to Sceneorlando everytime. However, one thing is to be aware of those events, another thing is to be able to attend them. BTW, I tried applying for the show on their radio, for some reason Roman decided to be all smartass with me, especially, when I was giving details about myself. He said that he'll set up a server and contact me later. Still waiting for the response.

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I'm not just blaming TA here... don't misunderstand. But if you think that anyone other than fans are responsible for getting something going again in Orlando, you are way off base and haven't been around long enough to know what you're talking about. I'm sorry to call you out like this, but you have taken a very immature stance to a very valid argument. I thought you had your head screwed on a little straighter than that.

Maybe I exagarrated the whole age issue. There is not enough of us, even if we tried to come up and do something. Hip-hop and top-40 still brings more money in this town. One of the reasons why Blue Room switched its format. I'll ignore your last sentence.

You do have valid points too, and I guess I was too biased when I said those things. However, saying that it is a primarily fault of fans is wrong.

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On a more positive note, I'm really happy that things are going well for you at Flow. That's awesome! One question though... do you really think that Flow caters to the local EDM scene at all? They have more restrictions for entry than any other venue in town. They represent the very thing that you're angry about in your argument.

Thanks, I do what I can, but I can only do this much. Based on my observations, people liked what I've played from the beginning to the end. Not all is lost, I hope. I guess your right about them being strict and all. Maybe it is because I get in there anyway, therefore I did not bash them at all.

Also, not everyone knows about sceneorlando. This site needs to be promoted as much as possible. Honestly, I found it by chance.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Actually, you would be surprised. Chris and I have a lot more common opinion-wise. We did not discuss the age issue; however, there are many people who are in the 18-20 range and who are eager to attend such events. Oh I am aware of those events, I go to Sceneorlando everytime. However, one thing is to be aware of those events, another thing is to be able to attend them. BTW, I tried applying for the show on their radio, for some reason Roman decided to be all smartass with me, especially, when I was giving details about myself. He said that he'll set up a server and contact me later. Still waiting for the response. Maybe I exagarrated the whole age issue. There is not enough of us, even if we tried to come up and do something. Hip-hop and top-40 still brings more money in this town. One of the reasons why Blue Room switched its format. I'll ignore your last sentence. You do have valid points too, and I guess I was too biased when I said those things. However, saying that it is a primarily fault of fans is wrong. Thanks, I do what I can, but I can only do this much. Based on my observations, people liked what I've played from the beginning to the end. Not all is lost, I hope. I guess your right about them being strict and all. Maybe it is because I get in there anyway, therefore I did not bash them at all. Also, not everyone knows about sceneorlando. This site needs to be promoted as much as possible. Honestly, I found it by chance.

Whatever happen to Icon, that was a good club

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Originally posted by mdamon7278 Whatever happen to Icon, that was a good club

I agree, they used to get good people there but have not done it in a long time.

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Originally posted by mdamon7278 Whatever happen to Icon, that was a good club

Yep, add it to the same list where Blue Room is now.

Orlando sucks. Period.

Get in your car and drive to Miami.

so yeah danny howells...

we saw andy hughes there and he remembered us from when we saw him last thurs in gainesville

everybody has their own opinion on how the scene can grow in certain places. when i was in orlando, i was always at the dnb nights at alpha, the shows at icon and red square and even went to support some friends at a bar called delaney's for their small but good dnb nights. i really don't think any of us should complain though cuz it could be worse. each of us will do what we can in order to make the scene better but we shouldn't depend on other people in order for that to happen. be optimistic, do what you can and don't worry so much cuz it'll all fall into place. the scene now is a lot better than it was a couple of years ago and can only go up. no more negativity is the way to be<------------cheesy. but seriously just have fun with it cuz that's what this music is about in the first place. btw, if some of you are really into getting involved with trying to play some nights or just supporting your genre, stop by the drop shop when you can and talk to the guys there. that's how a lot of my friend's nights got started and they are really cool people too. the ones i know, they know what's up.

I don't want to quote b/c we've discussed quite a lot.

Regarding Roman:

He's a really nice guy... I'm sorry you got a bad impression. I'll check with them to see what's going on.


Regarding you (Stan) and Flow:

Man, wherever we can get in to turn people on to EDM... all the better. I hope that place gets a little less trendy... it has potential. Kudos to you for landing that and to Chris for giving you the opportunity.


Regarding pointing fingers:

I probably should have been more positive in my wording. The point isn't whose fault it is that the scene in Orlando is the way that it is. That was a bunch of politics, unfortunately. However, fixing a scene in ruins is up to us, the fans, the djs and the promoters. You can't expect a businessman who owns a club to give a shit about the scene when he/she can make money off of something else (like hip hop)much more easily. We have to create the reason for them to give EDM a chance, and my point was that this is our responsibility. SceneOrlando is working on that effort right now, and we're all working on it very hard over there. Anyone who is active in EDM downtown has an opportunity to know about SceneOrlando. They (we) support everyone that they can and have really just kick-started efforts to pull in more local involvement. They're trying to get the word out about the site using all appropriate avenues. Any help from you or anyone else here is greatly appreciated. The board is well-organized, very positive and a lot of fun.

so yeah danny howells...

He rocked the place!

danny lit it up. good times

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Originally posted by orionthought everybody has their own opinion on how the scene can grow in certain places. when i was in orlando, i was always at the dnb nights at alpha, the shows at icon and red square and even went to support some friends at a bar called delaney's for their small but good dnb nights. i really don't think any of us should complain though cuz it could be worse. each of us will do what we can in order to make the scene better but we shouldn't depend on other people in order for that to happen. be optimistic, do what you can and don't worry so much cuz it'll all fall into place. the scene now is a lot better than it was a couple of years ago and can only go up. no more negativity is the way to be<------------cheesy. but seriously just have fun with it cuz that's what this music is about in the first place. btw, if some of you are really into getting involved with trying to play some nights or just supporting your genre, stop by the drop shop when you can and talk to the guys there. that's how a lot of my friend's nights got started and they are really cool people too. the ones i know, they know what's up.

I mostly agree with this... except the scene won't just "happen". People who care about it have to make a serious effort to cultivate it. Positivity IS the key, I agree. I agree with pretty much everything else you said here, especially the Drop Shop guys. They've been around forever and are all about keeping things alive here.

Sorry I jacked your thread... Danny Howells rocks!

If you have some flyers of SceneOrlando, I can put them in appropriate places. This website needs to be promoted much more than we think.

As for the original topic, this thread is officially jacked.

danny does rock, and i'm glad he took the time to sign autographs and talk some.

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