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Yeah, good job. Take a man much older, and talk about what he did in an extremely difficult time at a very young age, and you're going to tell him he shouldnt be pope?

Meanwhile you have people with extremely fucked up pasts such as george bush and arnold and god knows who else with extremely powerful positions in your country.

Hey, Dont bring Arnold in to this! He took roids and fucked women in the 70s OooOoooo hehe

and then married a kennedy AND was the Terminator. Cant bash Mr Olympia!

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Originally posted by Orbax Hey, Dont bring Arnold in to this! He took roids and fucked women in the 70s OooOoooo hehe and then married a kennedy AND was the Terminator. Cant bash Mr Olympia!

He can never be President though.

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Originally posted by NiteMer The Catholic Church is a business. That's my whole problem with Catholicism. It's not about God, it's about money and power. People don't go to Church because they want to, they go because they feel obligated or for tradition. Over the past many centuries the Catholic Church has performed many abominations, casting a poor light on Christianity as a whole. I believe there are many Catholics that are good Christians, but the overall message is corrupted by the Church. Indulgences, the Crusades, etc, etc...

Well actually EVERY religion is a business, every church/synagogue/temple is a business sponsored by the goverment or some organization, the Catholic Church maybe more so than most because of it's scale and traditional look that requires a lot of finances.

Is this what you mean when you say its all about the money and power?

The Catholic Church, during the counter-reformation period that followed the split of England, changed it's image to what you see now - the impressive statues, the beautiful woodwork, the shiny regalia made of precious metals, and the tinted glass in the marble walls.

The reasons? To separate itself from the Protestant church, which adopted the plain white washed look for it's churches.

Protestant culture - Man doesn't need gold and fancy statues to pray to God, those things are nothing more than distractions and are wasteful
Catholic culture - The objects of beauty and awe in the Catholic Church serve to remind the patrons of God, who created such beauty, and inspire them to be better people though their senses.

They are both good ideas in my opinion, I'm very visual though, so I like the Catholic version better.

And as for the crusades, indulgences, and the inquisition, that was 500 years ago or more, give it a rest

Doesnt the catholic bible have like 6 more books in it then the KJV? maybe all that stuff is backed by those extra books.

I dont understand much about being a catholic, but I think it would be really cool to go to Europe and stand in a huge crowd like that waving flags around and stuff, ppl dont act like that over here, except on september 12th. That and singing in bars, do ppl really sing at bars over there?

I heard that catholics are not encouraged to read the bible like protestants are, that they are instead encouraged to rely on the word of the ministers, not sure how true that is though, not that I care all that much either way.

I find that the crowd of people that I met at church when I used to go seemed to go to church to form a sort of wholesome family community, almost like it was meant to raise their kids to be a certain way and to form a little community separate from the nasty reality outside. Kinda like a peer pressure thing to be "good". There is also alot of people who went for professional networking reasons, cuz people can get pretty well-connected in a church. It definately seemed to be more about forming a community of like-minded people than it did being drawn to God, it almost seemed as if all the stuff about God was second in priority to forming the community, cuz they would never mention any of the stuff in the bible that would make the congregation uncomfortable, and there was plenty of it in there.

Reading the bible made me kinda lose my faith a bit, I'm still in a state of limbo over that issue, to me it doesnt have all the answers in it, it seems more like a symbolic story than a literal one the way the church interprets it, maybe this is why catholics arent encouraged to do bible reading.

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Originally posted by tribu He can never be President though.

I know Id fucking A vote for him.

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Originally posted by Orbax I know Id fucking A vote for him.

I wouldn't, but I tend to be highly mistrusting of the repubs and democs.

oh no, a conspirist!

Didnt george bush use cocain? Regularly?...

I would consider using an illegal and dangerous substance, under full knowledge that it is illegal much worse than siding with one side of a war when you are a kid. Hey, take any older men with powerful positions in japan. Alot of them were straight up nazis to! Hey guess what, I bet you'll find a good number of old people in germany that had Nazi relations too!! Doesnt mean they all still beleive in it now, or that they even truly beleived in it back then.

What did you expect the pope to be some jewish war hero in the 1940s?

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Didnt george bush use cocain? Regularly?... I would consider using an illegal and dangerous substance, under full knowledge that it is illegal much worse than siding with one side of a war when you are a kid. Hey, take any older men with powerful positions in japan. Alot of them were straight up nazis to! Hey guess what, I bet you'll find a good number of old people in germany that had Nazi relations too!! Doesnt mean they all still beleive in it now, or that they even truly beleived in it back then. What did you expect the pope to be some jewish war hero in the 1940s?

Well said. Lets (Americans) also not forget that many of our grandparents and other relatives likely supported the internment of Asians and their descendants during WW2. Or at best, they didnt speak out against it.

Our children may be saying similar things about us if the horrors of Guantanamo Bay are ever fully released. I'm not trying to define right or wrong, but it is so much easier to look at things like this with hindsight than to live through them in a way that people of the future will view as 'proper'.

that would be hilarious, a jewish war hero pope


I pretty much expected it would be an old white guy with a name taken from history.

I'm not trying to say I'm a Nazi, but if they controlled my country and I wanted to have a prosperous future, I would join the youth organization too. I mean, if you want to get ahead you gotta be where all the money and power is, that and I wouldnt wanna be excluded from society by not joining.

I'm glad I dont have to worry about making that decision today, its good that being a dirty raver is almost acceptable

The 'pope' has to be the most pointless occupation 3var!!!

Religion!! aaahahahaha what a joke!!!





lol & there isn't even such thing as 'god' aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha oh you gotta see the funny side to it!

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Originally posted by Zombie0915

Its pretty much the Macabees Apocrypha being the main variation. Was written 200 AD I think...something like that. Was later than the rest of it is all I know.

Agree with the community thing. That was the focus, cuz, lets be honest, they still spoke the thing in Latin until fairly recently. The priests are the messengers of God, which is why you have to Confess to them, cuz they are the only ones that know how to communicate.

Also, when someone dies, everyone has to pray them out of Purgatory, so you better be well known in your church if you want to go to Heaven lol.

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Originally posted by josh4 no i think we learned from the last guy these popes have loooonnngg drawwwwnnnn ouuuuuuttttttt last years on earth. terry schiavo could have learned a few things from them

no i think we learned from the string of short-termed pope's before the last one that it isn't common for popes to have such long seating...

I think we learned from your mom that knuckles are like the swiss army knife of sex















Buuuuuurrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Originally posted by Orbax I think we learned from your mom that knuckles are like the swiss army knife of sex

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Originally posted by vmc Thet's one good piece of a bullshit you're saying. Many people discover faith being an adult after a period of a rebel. They go to church because they feel the need to do this, not because somebody asked them or a tradition tells so. Jesus told st. Peter to be the next leader after him and later there will be next one, and the next one until Jesus returns to judge the living and the dead.

I can tell you that Catholics, in the states fall into the category I mentioned.

And, even though he told Peter to be a leader, did he tell him that he was a better man than any other man? I think not. Why is the pope any closer to God than anyone else? A leader maybe, a more godly man, I doubt it. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god".

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Originally posted by jp The Holy Ghost selected him to be the new Pope so who are we to judge...

Well the power behind the decision most certainly was mostly white

Seriously though the new pope wasn't a nazi, his dad got his ass kicked for being so anti-nazi actually pretty fucking tough to do then btw.

I do see it as a missed opertunity though, a non white pope would have brought the world forward.

actually... the word Petros was "rock" or foundation and God had said the rule of the church and said on this foundation shall the church be built on. They took that to mean Peter was the first Pope, but contemporary belief is that they were trying to say "this is what its all about, so use this is as the foundation of your belief"

christianity specifically with regard to the New Testament...and Old if you read it...was supposed to be no places of worship, no running around with arms in the air shouting that youre a christian. It was all supposed to be a new kind of religion where you travelled and Witnessed to people and did good deeds...

how far have we fallen...again

I don't know why people keep comparing the Pope to a politician. Granted there are similarities, but the whole concept is completely different. One is supposed to lead a country, the other is supposed to lead all people to God. I just don't buy into it one bit. I heard the argument about gold and glamour glorifying God, but that's a crock. The bible speaks of humility everywhere. How is erecting gold statues and drapping officials in excessive garments honoring God? It's attracting attention to those men, rather than God. That's my issue. I believe Church is very important and should be attended. Not because you have to be there to pray though, but, because it is a place to gather with other believers and encourage and support each other. Matthew also states, quoting Jesus, that one shouldn't pray in the streets and in the synagogues, but, rather, lock oneself away and do it to honor God, not to be noticed by men. The idea that is pushed by the Catholic church, that one must be in the "house of God" to pray seems absurd to me, under this context. I hope I'm misunderstanding the Catholic faith, truly, but I believe there is an overemphasis of Church, for the wrong reasons. And, obviously, those people then support the Church with more money. Again, giving money to your Church is good, but the Catholic Church isn't about getting by, it's about gaining momentous wealth. That's my problem with it.

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Originally posted by Orbax actually... the word Petros was "rock" or foundation and God had said the rule of the church and said on this foundation shall the church be built on. They took that to mean Peter was the first Pope, but contemporary belief is that they were trying to say "this is what its all about, so use this is as the foundation of your belief" christianity specifically with regard to the New Testament...and Old if you read it...was supposed to be no places of worship, no running around with arms in the air shouting that youre a christian. It was all supposed to be a new kind of religion where you travelled and Witnessed to people and did good deeds... how far have we fallen...again

i think st. peter's original name was simon... and you're right about the origins of st. peter's papal name, that jesus called him the foundation of his church.

whys this even a topic. he and his family were opposed to hitler and membership was complusory. its in the past.

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Originally posted by MarathonMan If you did your resaerch then u would know it was compulsory to join the Hitler Youth back then, and he wasn't a too enthusiatic member

he's right

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Originally posted by NiteMer I don't know why people keep comparing the Pope to a politician. Granted there are similarities, but the whole concept is completely different. One is supposed to lead a country, the other is supposed to lead all people to God. I just don't buy into it one bit. I heard the argument about gold and glamour glorifying God, but that's a crock. The bible speaks of humility everywhere. How is erecting gold statues and drapping officials in excessive garments honoring God? It's attracting attention to those men, rather than God. That's my issue. I believe Church is very important and should be attended. Not because you have to be there to pray though, but, because it is a place to gather with other believers and encourage and support each other. Matthew also states, quoting Jesus, that one shouldn't pray in the streets and in the synagogues, but, rather, lock oneself away and do it to honor God, not to be noticed by men. The idea that is pushed by the Catholic church, that one must be in the "house of God" to pray seems absurd to me, under this context. I hope I'm misunderstanding the Catholic faith, truly, but I believe there is an overemphasis of Church, for the wrong reasons. And, obviously, those people then support the Church with more money. Again, giving money to your Church is good, but the Catholic Church isn't about getting by, it's about gaining momentous wealth. That's my problem with it.

Heh you think you're confused now? Read "The Grand Inquisitor" chapter from Dostoyevski's Brothers Karamazov. Now THAT is a right proper mindfuck.

Just for the record, on my local news, they did this story, but afterwards they added that where the pope was living it was a REQUIREMENT that all boys join the hitler youth, and when he became old enough to join the military, he fled from it.

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Originally posted by Dervish I do see it as a missed opertunity though, a non white pope would have brought the world forward.

x2... or any non-European pope, for that matter.

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