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Another difference I don't think anyone pointed out was that the CDJ 200 (and the 1000 and 1000 MK2) has 0.02% pitch, and from all I've read, is more accurate than the 0.05 on the CDJ 800s (which is more accurate than the 0.1% on the CDJ 100s). The CDJ 200 (And the 1000 MK2) have 6% pitch adjustment too, which from all I've read..is better for longer mixes, like when playing progressive tunes. I was at this argument the other day, and was thinking "just go for the 800s" but when it came down to everything, I want what is most accurate. As the CDJ 200 would save me money, I just can't picture myself using it, since I sold my vinyl turntables and am now mostly going CDJ. If you want something to add to your vinyl turntables, then prolly the 200 (or 800 for that matter) is better, but if your mostly going CDJ, I think the 1000 MK2 is the better bet, even though it is expensive (i'm saving up).

what about the Technics SL-DZ1200?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Realm what about the Technics SL-DZ1200?

I have not heard good reviews about them to tell you the truth Cosmic Realm, flimsy platter, bugs etc. They are definitely not the club standard like their vinyl turntables are, or the Pioneer CDJ 1000s.

well im actually a vinyl snob to be honest, but i took a m8's advise and at least tried a few CDJ's... and out of all the ones i tried... i like that one the best because it actually acted like a turntable...

i thought it wasnt really worth the money brand new... but if i sound some up for bid on e-bay then id think about it...
but now since i have my 1200's i thought id have nothing to really look forward to, but i guess excepting that soon enough CD's will take over whether i like it or not...

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Originally posted by Cosmic Realm well im actually a vinyl snob to be honest, but i took a m8's advise and at least tried a few CDJ's... and out of all the ones i tried... i like that one the best because it actually acted like a turntable... i thought it wasnt really worth the money brand new... but if i sound some up for bid on e-bay then id think about it... but now since i have my 1200's i thought id have nothing to really look forward to, but i guess excepting that soon enough CD's will take over whether i like it or not...

The 1200s are great, no doubt, but it is true that more and more DJs are using CDs and eventually they will replace vinyl as the medium most DJs use. Sure vinyl is great, but things need to progress into the 21st century. Another interesting point is that 13 DJs in DJ Mag's top 100 of 2004 listed the Pioneer CDJ 1000 as their most favorite equipment.

I bought 2 AA CDI-500's and they seem pretty good

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i don't think vinyl will die because for diehard scratch aritsts their are only a lot of scrathces that can be done on vinyl only.

one last thing....does the platter on 800s spin and which one seems much easier to manipulate for scratching (the 800 or 1000 or 1000mk2). Unfortunately there are no dealers in CT so i can't try any of this equipment out, but when i was in san fran there were dealers all over the place.

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Originally posted by spdandpwr Note this message is a little off topic i don't think vinyl will die because for diehard scratch aritsts their are only a lot of scrathces that can be done on vinyl only. one last thing....does the platter on 800s spin and which one seems much easier to manipulate for scratching (the 800 or 1000 or 1000mk2). Unfortunately there are no dealers in CT so i can't try any of this equipment out, but when i was in san fran there were dealers all over the place.

on the pioneer cdj (800/1000/1000mk2) the platter doesn't spin automatically while the cd is playing. only the denons (3000/5000) as far as i know have that option of the platter to spin while the cd is playing.

an addition to the pitch control on the cdj 800, 1000 mk2.

the 1000 mk2 has 0.02% for the +6/-6%, 0.05 for the +10/-10%.

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Originally posted by spdandpwr Note this message is a little off topic i don't think vinyl will die because for diehard scratch aritsts their are only a lot of scrathces that can be done on vinyl only. one last thing....does the platter on 800s spin and which one seems much easier to manipulate for scratching (the 800 or 1000 or 1000mk2). Unfortunately there are no dealers in CT so i can't try any of this equipment out, but when i was in san fran there were dealers all over the place.

Well maybe for scratch artists it will remain, or those that spin older stuff, but for club DJs who just mix I truly think (and am seeing it more and more) that CDs are taking over...maybe not by a huge amount but it is still significant. Most if not all trance and prog DJs don't scratch, so the moving platter isn't as big of a deal. The biggest thing is how it holds pitch, the sound quality and the features like the wave display that I feel are beneficial and lead me (and other DJs) to the 1000 MK2s vs. the 800. The 800 definitely seem more for the scratch/hip hop crowd, and maybe the house crowd, but not trance and prog where there are "typically" longer mixes, not quick transitions.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Well maybe for scratch artists it will remain, or those that spin older stuff, but for club DJs who just mix I truly think (and am seeing it more and more) that CDs are taking over...maybe not by a huge amount but it is still significant. Most if not all trance and prog DJs don't scratch, so the moving platter isn't as big of a deal. The biggest thing is how it holds pitch, the sound quality and the features like the wave display that I feel are beneficial and lead me (and other DJs) to the 1000 MK2s vs. the 800. The 800 definitely seem more for the scratch/hip hop crowd, and maybe the house crowd, but not trance and prog where there are "typically" longer mixes, not quick transitions.

cds are definetly taking over due to the fact that it's easier to get your music. cheaper to buy a song than one vinyl. although let's not forget with the advancements in technology and ssl or final scratch the tt faithful can still use their trusty tt and not have to spent a fortune on vinyl. due that all their songs will be on their computer and/or laptop.

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Originally posted by alligator cds are definetly taking over due to the fact that it's easier to get your music. cheaper to buy a song than one vinyl. although let's not forget with the advancements in technology and ssl or final scratch the tt faithful can still use their trusty tt and not have to spent a fortune on vinyl. due that all their songs will be on their computer and/or laptop.

I've never tried final scratch, although I have read about it. In my opinion though I would much rather just own CDJs. I don't own them right now so I can't tell you much about them, other than all the stuff i've read and playing with them at Guitar Center. If I had a smaller laptop and more space in my room I would prolly have gotten Final Scratch, but I made the mistake (kind of) of getting a huge 17 inch laptop/desktop replacement thinking I wouldn't travel with it so why get something really tiny and slightly less powerful (P4 vs Centrino) but thats a whole nother debate in itself....if I would have waited a year I probably would have gotten a Centrino, since they are slightly more powerful now then they were a year ago.

i mix on dual CDJ-800s and i may obviously be biased, but the main thing about the 800 and the 1000 is that jog wheel, who the fuck needs some gay effects when you can get much better effect control on a mixer anyway. i think only thing which is handy on the 200 over the 800 is the pitch steps, like +-6, +-12 +-18 or something, the 800 only does +-10 or +-100.

but all in all it's all about that joghweel imo, jogwheel physics and mechanics are what make or break a cd deck and that's from somebody who djs solely on cd. the 800 wins in this dept.

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Originally posted by Ste i mix on dual CDJ-800s and i may obviously be biased, but the main thing about the 800 and the 1000 is that jog wheel, who the fuck needs some gay effects when you can get much better effect control on a mixer anyway. i think only thing which is handy on the 200 over the 800 is the pitch steps, like +-6, +-12 +-18 or something, the 800 only does +-10 or +-100. but all in all it's all about that joghweel imo, jogwheel physics and mechanics are what make or break a cd deck and that's from somebody who djs solely on cd. the 800 wins in this dept.

I've heard good things about the jogwheel on the CDJ 800, but my biggest thing is the 0.5% pitch, as i've been told that it is less precise than the CDJ 1000 MK2 is. With my mixing I like to be as precise as I can, especially considering I am into playing more prog now than traditional trance music. I don't really need the effects that are on both turntables, but the vinyl emulation, the wave display, the CD Text, and the 6% pitch step at 0.02 percent. To me if your only going CD, I feel that having the "extra" stuff on the CDJ 1000 MK2 is well worth saving up the money for.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I feel that having the "extra" stuff on the CDJ 1000 MK2 is well worth saving up the money for.

not particularly, i got both of my decks for �600 in deals from ebay, if i were to do the same with CDJ1000s theyre would still cost approx �1200, which isnt really small change. people tend to thinbk there isnt much price diff i nthe two as they are similar, but even brand new you pay 40% more for a 1000 than an 800.

with regards to the pitch of 0.5%, you only have to make a correction every 32 beats maximum with that accuracy, a correction of about 1cm around the circ of the jogwheel too. so the difference is so negligable it isnt worth the extra �300 or so. wave display too is pretty useless. the thing i would like though is the differening pitch ranged of 6, 12, 18, and 24. much handier for me as i play my music a bit faster than it is generally recorded, but that is easily remidied by ripping my vinyl at a faster speed.

however if i had money to burn i would obviously go for the 1000, but thats only if money was no object, which sadly it is.

Yea true Ste, but I got rid of my turntables and I am looking to go only CDJ (or get vinyl turntables again in the future when I have the money for records and for the turntables). It just makes more sense for me to save my money for something better, than just get something I can afford, but not truly enjoy in the long run.

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Originally posted by Ste wave display too is pretty useless.

Well from all I've seen is that it's not useless. It definitely helps when playing a track for the first time and or understanding the structure of the track. On a personal basis I like to see the tracks, which is a great thing when I had vinyl, but its even better with the wave display. I mean sometimes I might play a track, and not know the structure of it, so like i said, it would help me a lot I think.

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Originally posted by alligator an addition to the pitch control on the cdj 800, 1000 mk2. the 1000 mk2 has 0.02% for the +6/-6%, 0.05 for the +10/-10%.

sorry for stupid question but does it mean you never gonna get 2 tracks perfectly beatmatched perfectly I mean you think you do but technically they are not?

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Well from all I've seen is that it's not useless. It definitely helps when playing a track for the first time and or understanding the structure of the track. On a personal basis I like to see the tracks, which is a great thing when I had vinyl, but its even better with the wave display. I mean sometimes I might play a track, and not know the structure of it, so like i said, it would help me a lot I think.

the only thing i find it helps is that you can see when there is no beat or anything bar a string or something. and sorta break with a cymbal clashes etc or wierd effects instanantly make an almost full peak on the diplay, as the diplay has only 5 highs per peak and about 50 or so for the whole track, some most of the time you have a huge line of blocks, heh.

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Originally posted by Prism sorry for stupid question but does it mean you never gonna get 2 tracks perfectly beatmatched perfectly I mean you think you do but technically they are not?

it's not a stupid question, it is totally true, that is the only proble mwith cd decks.


HOWEVER: with 0.02 pitch accuracy you can easily have it so that you wont have to make a correection or even maybe a small one over a mix of say 256 beats, with 0.05 you usually have to make 2 or 3 tiny corrections. but generally a persons finger cannot garauntee accuracy more than 0.02 on a vinyl deck anyway and the sliders are much smaller than cd decks. i mean, it is possible to get a perfact match due to analogue pitch control, but the reality is you're always slighty out anyway, just so little out that you can't tell.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Yea true Ste, but I got rid of my turntables and I am looking to go only CDJ (or get vinyl turntables again in the future when I have the money for records and for the turntables). It just makes more sense for me to save my money for something better, than just get something I can afford, but not truly enjoy in the long run.

when i say afford i mean in a sense paying twice for about 10% more functionality, but if you feel you want the 1000s then go for it as you will never have to replace them. (unless they make a mk3 of course, although it will probs have summat new like blue LEDs or some other marketing ploy )

Thanks Ste very helpful!

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Originally posted by Prism sorry for stupid question but does it mean you never gonna get 2 tracks perfectly beatmatched perfectly I mean you think you do but technically they are not?

not a stupid question...in the end the beat counter on the cd player is technology...an so far we have not been able to get anything better at beatmatching than our ears.

on the display for the cdj 1000mk2 you have the bpm as a whole number without any decimal places. therefore you'll be at 135bpm (for example) and yet you can move the slider up and down and the bpm will stay the same while you try to beatmatch the song to perfection. so technology wise maybe they won't have the same reading on the bpm, but in the end your ears are far better at picking up out of sync beats.

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Originally posted by Ste when i say afford i mean in a sense paying twice for about 10% more functionality, but if you feel you want the 1000s then go for it as you will never have to replace them. (unless they make a mk3 of course, although it will probs have summat new like blue LEDs or some other marketing ploy )

Well to me I feel that I would be happier working for something better, than just buying something because I can afford it like I said. I mean it's personal pride and all. Even if they are 10% more functionality, I feel that having that extra functioning would help me in the long run as a CDJ. Also once I get some turntables again (perhaps next year instead of a new laptop...) I'll have the ultimate set up just so long as I have the room for it. I probably could if invested in a new table, rather than this cheap, simple table I used for my turntables, that held up well, but a nice wooden table with room for the CDJs, the turntables, some records, amp..computer and speakers etc.

Oh and about the MK3s, yeah I compare the MK3s to probably the M3Ds in the Technics line of turntables. Probably some minor differences, but all the DJs would still use their MK2s in the future, seeing as many still use the original CDJ 1000 (and not the MK2s) to this day and are still happy. The MK3s would probably cost at least 1,500, and then the MK2s would probably come down in price a little, and they probably would still be the standard when it comes to CDJs.

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