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Posted by TranceMasterUk on Apr-26-2005 19:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
what a load of tosh.

a load of tosh because 99% of your work is loops not made by yourself?

Posted by Frase on Apr-26-2005 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceMasterUk
a load of tosh because 99% of your work is loops not made by yourself?

i dont know really what you're on about.

Loops (if used in production) are mainly used on percussion only.

But you're talking more of a sound engineer than a producer (who composes music)

so to say that 99% of a track is loops not made by myself is quite possibly the most retarded thing ive read on these forums.

I spose you forget about melody creation, pad chords & bassline key changes yeah?

Idiot.

Posted by TranceMasterUk on Apr-26-2005 21:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
i dont know really what you're on about.

Loops (if used in production) are mainly used on percussion only.

But you're talking more of a sound engineer than a producer (who composes music)

so to say that 99% of a track is loops not made by myself is quite possibly the most retarded thing ive read on these forums.

I spose you forget about melody creation, pad chords & bassline key changes yeah?

Idiot.

you dont know what im on about?

did i forget the melody, pads, bassline?
no
those can be loops aswell, that i definetly disagree with using, if your only using percussion i guess that aint such a big deal.

that is if the melody,pads,bassline is actually made by you.
anyway no point in you arguing here aswell.
if you produce your own stuff then ok.

idiot.

Posted by Frase on Apr-26-2005 22:09:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceMasterUk
you dont know what im on about?

did i forget the melody, pads, bassline?
no
those can be loops aswell, that i definetly disagree with using, if your only using percussion i guess that aint such a big deal.

that is if the melody,pads,bassline is actually made by you.
anyway no point in you arguing here aswell.
if you produce your own stuff then ok.

idiot.

well id like to see examples of loops of melody tbh because otherwise according to your expert opinion every song would sound the same?

jus out of curiosity how long have you been producing?

Posted by TranceMasterUk on Apr-26-2005 22:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
well id like to see examples of loops of melody tbh because otherwise according to your expert opinion every song would sound the same?

jus out of curiosity how long have you been producing?

my expert opinion

where in my posts did i say i am an expert, because i am far from that.

melodys,pads, bass can be loops aswell?
where in that does it say all songs use loops.

i am talking about "your" songs.

Posted by MegaMan on Apr-26-2005 22:46:

"where in my posts did i say i am an expert, because i am far from that."

then shut the fuck up, or at least learn to understand before you say shit...

idiot

2against1, your out

Posted by TranceMasterUk on Apr-26-2005 23:01:

quote:
Originally posted by MegaMan
"where in my posts did i say i am an expert, because i am far from that."

then shut the fuck up, or at least learn to understand before you say shit...

idiot

2against1, your out

lol
what is it i must understand?

Posted by MegaMan on Apr-26-2005 23:56:

i would of explained better if i knew you personally

Posted by Frase on Apr-27-2005 00:29:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceMasterUk
my expert opinion

where in my posts did i say i am an expert, because i am far from that.

melodys,pads, bass can be loops aswell?
where in that does it say all songs use loops.

i am talking about "your" songs.

it was your comment of that most of the track isnt actually produced by them which made yourself sound like you knew exactly how every piece of music released by labels today sounds.

my songs? well there you go then, if you listened to them you wouldnt be talking bout if ive used loops or not.

Pipe down child.

Posted by TranceMasterUk on Apr-27-2005 00:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
it was your comment of that most of the track isnt actually produced by them which made yourself sound like you knew exactly how every piece of music released by labels today sounds.

my songs? well there you go then, if you listened to them you wouldnt be talking bout if ive used loops or not.

Pipe down child.

think you need to stop taking words and thinking they mean something else.

and adrian says hi

Posted by Frase on Apr-27-2005 00:39:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceMasterUk
think you need to stop taking words and thinking they mean something else.

and adrian says hi

hopefully for your sake your music can speak for itself.

oh and rick says hi

Posted by TranceMasterUk on Apr-27-2005 00:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
hopefully for your sake your music can speak for itself.

oh and rick says hi

you worry about your own music matey
and ill worry about mine.

Posted by MegaMan on Apr-27-2005 01:19:

oh and your av is silly, but this time, its actually useful

Posted by Frase on Apr-27-2005 02:11:

quote:
Originally posted by MegaMan
oh and your av is silly, but this time, its actually useful

Posted by staticblue on Apr-27-2005 08:50:

do you guys know that i like watching lesbians ?

and in my opinion this thread is a bit stupid There is no "Yea it's cheating" or "No it's not cheating". it's all a question of quantity.

Posted by dEEkAy on Apr-27-2005 09:29:

I dont think it's cheating either.
It depends on how you use them though.
If drumloops replace all other arrangements (esp. Open Hihat, Closed HiHat, Ride, Shaker, Crash, Rev. Cymbal and other kinds of percussion) it kinda is cheating.
However most people (including myself) use Drumloops to bring in some more drive to the overall atmosphere (not making em too loud, just bringing them in decently into the background).

Posted by DJule on Apr-27-2005 11:39:

EXACTLY! And you're not forced to use the drumloops as they are... you can modify them as you want! Loops are only sampleswhich has been beatmatched.
Try to modify some loops with the Dr. Rex in Reason and you'll see what you're able to do.

A Drum part can't be full and FAT without beeing filled with some special sounds and atmosphere you can find nowhere else except in a loop.

But you can create some loops (hihats, toms, etc...) sample them and then use it. Using loops don't mean to use loops from other people.

Posted by dEEkAy on Apr-27-2005 12:01:

yeah you can do great FX with loops...like sending them thru a step-sequencer-driven Filter mixed with Delay and Bitcrusher or whatever...so many possibilities

Posted by DJule on Apr-27-2005 12:08:

I think people that tell using loops is "no creativity" haven't creativity by themselve.

Posted by Frase on Apr-27-2005 15:32:

quote:
Originally posted by DJule
I think people that tell using loops is "no creativity" haven't creativity by themselve.

a fistful of facts there!

Posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ on Apr-27-2005 16:15:

imo loops are only cheating when you are using them so that you dont have to construct percussion lines. honestly percussion is one of my weak points but i have no desire to use loops for the fact that i think its better to work at something untill it sounds good even if it means 2 years of shit percussion then so be it. but i like the idea that everything within a track is what i did even if it sounds like complete shit. becuase then its my complete shit and not my complete shit helped out by (insert favorite loop cd manfacture here) ya know what i mean. just my 2 cents tho.

Posted by Erty on Apr-27-2005 17:18:

Well it's not cheating but it's kinda stupid at most times. I mean most of us here just produce to have fun but mostly to LEARN and become better and you definitely wont get better at programming drums if you just use premade loops.

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