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Liverpool obviously!
How can a team that finished fourth challenge the law with a team that one the Champions League. Finishing fourth is not that great to begin with.....
if it was agreed at the start of the season that the holders won't get a place then logically everton it is
but if nothing was agreed i have to agree that the holders should have the priority. winning a champions league is a bigger argument than placing 4th on a national league. besides since i remember every year the CL winner gets a place for the following year, so it's no more than a (good) tradition, i remember people getting all pissed when uefa got the 2nd placed into the CL so why shouldn't people get pissed with a 4th placed team, and prefer the CL winners?
and i'm actually kinda supporting everton now as i'm managing them on FM 
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| Originally posted by sector.30 Everton have played consistently well this season despite losing Rooney and then Gravesen, Taha: Fuck off, you are gay. |
bloody wanker
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| Originally posted by paranoik0 besides since i remember every year the CL winner gets a place for the following year, so it's no more than a (good) tradition |
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| Originally posted by RubiK Cube The reason for this is that every team that has won the CL so far has also finished in a CL qualify position within their league, so the problem has never risen before. |
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| Originally posted by InterMilan31 Liverpool obviously! How can a team that finished fourth challenge the law with a team that one the Champions League. Finishing fourth is not that great to begin with..... |
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| Originally posted by RubiK Cube The reason for this is that every team that has won the CL so far has also finished in a CL qualify position within their league, so the problem has never risen before. |
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| Originally posted by raveed real madrid won the champions league in 2000 but finished 5th in la liga with zaragoza finishing 4th ... real madrid ended up getting the nod to play next year ... |
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| Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 what law? There is no rule for defending champions! You just don't start changing rules because the (possible but unlikely) defending champions didn't play well enough in their own league to warrant a spot in the next CL! |
The winner of any trophy should automatically be able to defend their trophy
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| Originally posted by gatecrasher The winner of any trophy should automatically be able to defend their trophy |
good to hear that the FA did the right thing and ruled that the team finishing fourth will go through to the champions league .. pressures on liverpool now
How about neither getting in their both a bunch of chav clubs
If Liverpool win they must have the chance to defend their trophy. It will devalue the competition if they can't.
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| Originally posted by raveed good to hear that the FA did the right thing and ruled that the team finishing fourth will go through to the champions league .. pressures on liverpool now |
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| Originally posted by tall paul 2 Source?? From what ive heared the FA havent made a decision yet on whose going through, not until the situation occurs... which it probably wont, cos well make 4th yet!!! A couple of years ago when real madrid won the champions league, they finished 5th in the league with Real Zarzoga (however its spelt) finishing above them. But the Spanish FA put Real into the competition and the 4th placed team into Europe. I dont see if we win the Champions League why the same shouldnt happen again. |
From what ive understood, i think that UEFA have left the decision to the FA to make.. and the PREMIERSHIP want the final spot to go to the 4th placed team instead of Liverpool if they win...
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| Originally posted by InterMilan31 How about neither getting in their both a bunch of chav clubs |
red devils all the way
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| Originally posted by techno_freak red devils all the way |
It's simple, really. IF liverpool defeat Chelsea, then go on to defeat what will in all eventualities be AC Milan in the finals, then YES - they should be allowed to defend their title. If Liverpool crash out of the CL, and Everton manage to hold onto 4th place, then without a doubt, Everton deserve to be in the CL next year.
All this talk about Everton being a mickeymouse team with no history is ridiculous. No body cares what a teams history is. The CL by definition doesn't make much sense when you have 4th top teams representing in a league that is only supposed to be for the champions. So please...nuff talk about how minnows like Everton don't have the pedigree to play with the big boys.
Everton have done well this season. Like Leeds a few years back, they deserve to be in the CL. I doubt they will even qualify, which in a way is bad -- but hell, they deserve the 10 million in TV revenue and gate fees for battling so well this year.
PS. Some people here need to stop talking -- and start watching some actual football. 
One thing thta hasn't been mentioned is this is like 1985 all over again. Everton became the English champions but due to the events at the Heysel Stadium they were prevented from competing in the European Cup. When they won the league two years later the English teams were still banned.
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| Originally posted by RubiK Cube One thing thta hasn't been mentioned is this is like 1985 all over again. Everton became the English champions but due to the events at the Heysel Stadium they were prevented from competing in the European Cup. When they won the league two years later the English teams were still banned. |
looks like we're both goin in now anyway but i voted Blues, coz even thought i'm a red, the original rules state the winners dont automatically qualify (althought UEFA can make exceptions, like Real a few yrs ago...), but 4th gets to the qualifiers automatically..
neither side is in yet tho, Everton still have to qualify and we still have to win it
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| Originally posted by RubiK Cube One thing thta hasn't been mentioned is this is like 1985 all over again. Everton became the English champions but due to the events at the Heysel Stadium they were prevented from competing in the European Cup. When they won the league two years later the English teams were still banned. |
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