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Originally posted by l�cid haha damn you! you had the same idea as me. it is definitely sig material though.

i also got another classic quote from the west coast forums to add to the tiesto quote

Tiesto should spend his money on cloning research. If it ever works, he can show up to his sets, hide in a room and drink himself silly through the whole show while his sober clone meanwhile fails to trainwreck on the decks. Then as soon as the set ends he could stumble out of his hiding spot and reap all the glory & celebrate with his groupies. Then everyone would be happy.

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Excuse ME.

This is to the people who are commenting on Tijs....

First off: Tijs does not get too obsessed about the girls....he's married now!!! shiit...

Second: Of course, no one is perfect, everyone will mash up a record...even the best of us...


Thirdly: in what position are you to talk shit about someone who is setting an example for the next generation of ppl in the club culture? I don't know if you ahve noticed, but this guy has achieved a lot more than your mouthing off.

Fourthly: he HAS to evolve in order to feed the need of the mainstream... in doing so, he creates his own specific unique style to draw the crowd into his more underground sets..... HA

Fifthly: RESPECT to this man. What has he done to you? made you cry of jealousy?

Sixthly: this list can go on and on but be glad the club scene is becoming more global than ever, EVER. Thanks to a handful of DJ's like Tiesto.

Lastly: You have no idea what he does in his own country...FREE concerts, benefit concerts for Tsunami Relief...and a SHITload more than you think.... this shit is all going to your head...plus you must be really fuckin bored if you have to comment in this thread when you're not even a fan....

Cheers

ok not to be a dick or anything but lucid and wolverine, do you spin? or have u EVER spun?

i like tiesto, no matter what he spins just long as it moves me, ISOS4 is great IMHO and im sad to see such "hatrid" towards the man, specially since he's been round forever and we should be respecting him.....


btw nice sig verndog

**well said Spliph i guess we're one of the few TRUE trancers

I don't feel like copying and pasting my reply to Spliph's arguments, for upon reading them a second time I am convinced that all of you can see how poor his logic is...

B2T: Wolverine16 is a solid DJ who knows his shit and just happened to see a bad Tijs show, and Lucid's credentials as a solid critic of EDM are not to be questioned...

These aren't just unfounded allegations, these are real objections a LOT of the EDM world has...

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Originally posted by UWM Just got a great idea for a signature. Blah didn't turn out quite as I would've liked.

So what, I'm stealing it.

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Originally posted by Spliph Excuse ME. This is to the people who are commenting on Tijs.... First off: Tijs does not get too obsessed about the girls....he's married now!!! shiit... Second: Of course, no one is perfect, everyone will mash up a record...even the best of us... Thirdly: in what position are you to talk shit about someone who is setting an example for the next generation of ppl in the club culture? I don't know if you ahve noticed, but this guy has achieved a lot more than your mouthing off. Fourthly: he HAS to evolve in order to feed the need of the mainstream... in doing so, he creates his own specific unique style to draw the crowd into his more underground sets..... HA Fifthly: RESPECT to this man. What has he done to you? made you cry of jealousy? Sixthly: this list can go on and on but be glad the club scene is becoming more global than ever, EVER. Thanks to a handful of DJ's like Tiesto. Lastly: You have no idea what he does in his own country...FREE concerts, benefit concerts for Tsunami Relief...and a SHITload more than you think.... this shit is all going to your head...plus you must be really fuckin bored if you have to comment in this thread when you're not even a fan.... Cheers

I have to make a comment on your effort. I have not heard this album, therefor I wont be commenting on it. But I will comment on the downward progression many of the DJ's have been falling into. (Tiesto or "Tijs" as you refer to him as... do you know him that well?)

I see you are a nooblet here and havent been around during the golden days of trance or electronica. Dance music used to take people on a journey. Mix CD's told stories, tracks took time and didnt have the same formatting to them. Tiesto (armin, oakie, ferry etc) have strayed from what made them what they are. EDM started as a purely underground culture. Where is it now? You answered in your number 4. Mainstream. To satisfy the mainstream addiction, producers, DJ's pornstars etc have to produce quantity. Dont believe me?

Click here for tiesto

http://www.discogs.com/artist/DJ+Ti%EBsto

Look at all of the same songs being released on multiple labels. Tell me if that can be quality vs quantity... Also! Can you honestly say that his style of music has evolved? I say no. I mean no disrespect to the man. But what he creates now is nothing like what he used to do. Can you tell me that traffic gives you the same feeling as silence did, the first time you heard it? What about sparkles, Theme From Norefjell or working on L'Esperanza?? Now he has the parade of athletes that sounds techie and bland. His CD just be was alright. At least he had a mix of up genre's, but the CD didnt pack a full punch as previous ones have....

And to respond to your number 6... ive read in the midwest forums that you have recently turned 21, and will beable to goto clubs now. How do you know for sure that the club scene is becoming "global"? EDM has been around for a long while, in and out of the clubs. The sad thing is, most people dont go to clubs for the music. They go to find a quick fuck, or to get fucked up. Sadly the DJ's we love for the music dont cater to us anymore. They play pounding programmed anthems. One after the other after the other.

Sorry bra, I cant side with you on this. I dont hate tiesto, I just hate what he has become.

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Originally posted by _Nut_ Sorry bra, I cant side with you on this. I dont hate tiesto, I just hate what he has become.

Nicely done... +1

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Originally posted by born2trance ok not to be a dick or anything but lucid and wolverine, do you spin? or have u EVER spun? i like tiesto, no matter what he spins just long as it moves me, ISOS4 is great IMHO and im sad to see such "hatrid" towards the man, specially since he's been round forever and we should be respecting him..... btw nice sig verndog **well said Spliph i guess we're one of the few TRUE trancers

Haha this coming from the guy who thought Sasha and Steve Porter were trance. I don't think I really have to add anything else to this post.

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Originally posted by born2trance ok not to be a dick or anything but lucid and wolverine, do you spin? or have u EVER spun?

i love how many people use the argument of "do YOU spin?" when someone criticizes someone elses talent as a DJ. do i have to be a movie director to comment on how good a film is? do i have to be a chef to comment on how good a burrito is? heck no. just because i am not a professional at something doesn't mean i can't form my own opinion of it.

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i like tiesto, no matter what he spins just long as it moves me, ISOS4 is great IMHO and im sad to see such "hatrid" towards the man, specially since he's been round forever and we should be respecting him.....

being around "forever" is no reason to respect someone. i respect DJs who are innovative and creative, DJs who are trying to move the scene forward, DJs who actually care about what they do, DJs who care about what their true fans think. the Sander quote in ctprincess's sig comes to mind...

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**well said Spliph i guess we're one of the few TRUE trancers

and i hope you guys enjoy paying $40 for a "trancey treat"


i'd also like to add that i share the same opinion with _Nut_ ... very well said.

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Originally posted by _Nut_ Everything I said

Well done, Sam. Well done.

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Originally posted by rturn214 Lucid's credentials as a solid critic of EDM are not to be questioned...

i must save this for a sig someday

Yes I do spin, I'm not saying I'm the best at it or anywhere near it (or that I drink any less than Tiesto does), but I've also never done it as a profession. My performance at my birthday party this Saturday night is free unless you want a cup for the keg. It doesn't make any difference that I spin though, my opinion is no better or no worse than that of anyone else who likes EDM.

I like a lot of Tiesto's prior work and probably will get the new ISOS, don't get me wrong, I'm just making a bit of fun over last time, because he charged people $40 each based on his name recognition and reputation. If he had an off night, I can understand, but he did not want to be there and didn't put forth any effort anywhere near what I've seen from the tremendous local DJs on nights when cover is $5. If I were to pay lots to see John Malkovich perform at Steppenwolf, I would expect him to do more than read a script in a monotone voice.

If you were at Vision last time, you may remember there were no O2 blasts, because of the microphones set up above the crowd for recording. Funny how that set never got released after all, eh? Regardless, have a great time if you see him next month and I hope it goes well, but I think it should be understandable if some of us may be critical and poke a little fun at him due to prior events.

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Originally posted by l�cid and i hope you guys enjoy paying $40 for a "trancey treat"

actually... i would never pay $40 for Vision...


would you support your habit for even more than vision? think...

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Originally posted by Spliph actually... i would never pay $40 for Vision... would you support your habit for even more than vision? think...

I would easily pay more than that for someone worth seeing... in fact, I have, on more than one occasion.. wtf is your point here Spliph?

Wolverine, I understand about what happened at Vision... but... is it his fault that the promoters of the clubs put tha tmany people in there? It is said by himself that he hates it when clubs do this..just because of the name... to cram everyone in... also, it was not his choice to let them have microphones above the crowd!! LOL...Chicago still lags the professional entertainment management that Holland has

hell, we should have throw a big dance festival @ millennium park.... but of course... Not in Chi-town..

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Originally posted by Spliph Wolverine, I understand about what happened at Vision... but... is it his fault that the promoters of the clubs put tha tmany people in there? It is said by himself that he hates it when clubs do this..just because of the name... to cram everyone in... also, it was not his choice to let them have microphones above the crowd!! LOL...Chicago still lags the professional entertainment management that Holland has hell, we should have throw a big dance festival @ millennium park.... but of course... Not in Chi-town..

WHOA!!! Spliph, let me ask you this, are you Dutch? Have you ever spent a legitiment amount of time in Holland? Are you just going to say that you have "done this/that" jsut to try to validate yourself?

Sadly I think the answers in order go: no, no, yes (but you could prove me wrong on the last one)

Granted, Holland is an AMAZING country (my favorite in the world, the time I spent there is easily what I consider the best time in my life), but you can't compare all of Holland with Chicago. Holland has shitty promoters, bad clubs, and shady setups all over the place...

First of all, yes, Tiesto has plenty of control over the setup of the evening, it's called a "Rider." Second, you're going to tell me Tiesto hates seeing giant crowds out to see him, cramming clubs full? If that's true, I hate him more now than ever...

And finally, I think Godskitchen does a fine job promoting, they've been around the block, and if they were really the problem, Tiesto shouldn't be working shows for them, nor would anyone else.

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Doesn't like a crowd... ppfft... I don't care how big you get in the world of being a DJ, when you start to hate seeing a club crammed full of people for you... God, I can't even complete that thought, it just makes me so angry...

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Originally posted by rturn214 Doesn't like a crowd... ppfft... I don't care how big you get in the world of being a DJ, when you start to hate seeing a club crammed full of people for you... God, I can't even complete that thought, it just makes me so angry...

haha *imagines* "god, i hate how these places allow so many to see me!"

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Originally posted by Daniel K haha *imagines* "god, i hate how these places allow so many to see me!"

SEE!!! Even that made a little furious on the inside... and you IMAGINED that!

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Originally posted by Spliph Wolverine, I understand about what happened at Vision... but... is it his fault that the promoters of the clubs put tha tmany people in there? It is said by himself that he hates it when clubs do this..just because of the name... to cram everyone in... also, it was not his choice to let them have microphones above the crowd!! LOL...Chicago still lags the professional entertainment management that Holland has hell, we should have throw a big dance festival @ millennium park.... but of course... Not in Chi-town..

Well the rumor was that the mics were up to record a live album and I've never seen that setup at any other show at Vision, so it was likely his choice, because the club had no reason to do it, especially since it messes with the effects. They also set up a nice covering over the booth so no one could watch him mix, which I've also never seen for anyone else. Rob is also correct about the rider and the amount of people let in has a lot to do with what expenses they have to pay out for talent. If all this was so bad last time & it wasn't his fault, then why has he signed on for the same thing at Vision again and why will the results be different? All I'm saying is that if he decides to put a show in Chicago on his tour and earn thousands of dollars for spinning records for a few hours, he should at least put some effort into it or else cancel the date and just stay in Holland if it's that bad of a scenario. Honestly I think that this time has to be better and I was impressed with a good portion of his set at TIC2, but I still think he would prefer to have a clone mix for him while he drinks

hmmmmm thanks for making me think... i was not @ Vision when he was spinnin here.. i was actually in Holland at the time...

I could not even imagine them having a thing over the booth...that's really taking away the intimacy of the Sky Dome...

hehe... Still funny, Vision is such a cramped place.... WHY there... why are all the pro's there?

Cheerz,

listenin to ASOT atm... good harder beats today

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Originally posted by rturn214 WHOA!!! Spliph, let me ask you this, are you Dutch? Have you ever spent a legitiment amount of time in Holland? Are you just going to say that you have "done this/that" jsut to try to validate yourself?

Yeah... I actually grew up in Amsterdam....there the scene is FAR more evolved..here in Chicago we have hardly ANY decent clubs...if we do, then I have not heard of them yet..why don't you inform me?

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Holland has shitty promoters, bad clubs, and shady setups all over the place...

Of course it has... you just have to look for the good ones.... wow, I could show you the best time of your life

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Tiesto hates seeing giant crowds out to see him, cramming clubs full? If that's true, I hate him more now than ever...

I think he wants everyone to enjoy it as much as he does, being able to dance on the floor....

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And finally, I think Godskitchen does a fine job promoting, they've been around the block, and if they were really the problem, Tiesto shouldn't be working shows for them, nor would anyone else.

Godskitchen IS one of the best promoters in the world... became very mainstream at the turn of the century and now is trusted by every club goer in the world. Now they need to crank up some superclubs in Chicago

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No hating, no dissing, just letting my opinion know... cuz, after all, isn't trance for everyone to enjoy? no matter the situation...?

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Originally posted by Spliph hmmmmm thanks for making me think... i was not @ Vision when he was spinnin here.. i was actually in Holland at the time... I could not even imagine them having a thing over the booth...that's really taking away the intimacy of the Sky Dome... hehe... Still funny, Vision is such a cramped place.... WHY there... why are all the pro's there? Cheerz, listenin to ASOT atm... good harder beats today

Yeah, I've only seen him the one time, so I'm not doubting that you may have seen much better shows by him and I'd love to go to Holland at some point. I just like to make fun of that last instance and I'm sketchy on paying lots to see him again after that. I'll admit it was at least worth part of the cover to see him smashing a record while really trashed.

I remember they got strict at some point in the evening about how many people were allowed in the sky dome and you had to wait for people to leave before you could enter again. They've been paranoid just about everywhere except Soundbar since the E2 disaster, so it could have been even worse. PvD at the Riv last month was actually a really good time once I figured out how to get past security and onto the main floor, so hopefully they might have some more gigs there in the future.

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Originally posted by wolverine16 I remember they got strict at some point in the evening about how many people were allowed in the sky dome and you had to wait for people to leave before you could enter again. They've been paranoid just about everywhere except Soundbar since the E2 disaster, so it could have been even worse.

i remember they did that last year for armin during memorial day weekend. every other time ive been there i havent had any problems with getting onto the floor.

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Originally posted by Spliph Yeah... I actually grew up in Amsterdam....there the scene is FAR more evolved..here in Chicago we have hardly ANY decent clubs...if we do, then I have not heard of them yet..why don't you inform me?

I can agree with that, and having spent my semester in Centrum, I definitely know that the 'dam knows how to get down (Along with Utrecht and Rotterdam), and Holland is definitely a hub for dance music...

Chicago doesn't have any GREAT clubs, but in reality, they only have 2 spoots (3 if you count HoB) where headlining talent will show, and I, personally, think Vision is as good as any room I've been in this side of the Atlantic (Not counting Miami, as far as US EDM, that place is in a league all its own) But I mean, this may sound like blasphemy, but I like Vision more than I like Crobar in NYC or Rain in Vegas... haven't been to Ice yet...

In any event, I'd also like to point out that I've seen some of the best shows I've ever seen at really shitty "clubs..." I remember this Dave Ralph show at The Rave a few years back with like 30 people there, max, but he owned... and I don't even really like Dave Ralph

In any event, final conclusiong: Yes, Holland rules and is no doubt my favorite European country, however, we're here, in the midwest, USA for the moment, so we gotta work with what we got... I'm a 4 hour drive from Vision, but I'll be there the next two weekends (5/14 & 5/21)

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