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| Originally posted by Yoepus Actually that is not true. I was in Amsterdam about a month or so ago and I was very curious about the economics of it all. Was weed in Amsterdam cheaper? Was it better quality? Was it both? I mean we all know its legal there, but so what? Since I have no clue what price or quality is like, I asked all the pot-smoking-hippie liberals I happened to come across (it was not hard) most indicated that the price is basically the same. Many from New York said they knew of better and cheaper places to obtain weed State side, and that Amsterdam was more expensive. Most Europeans however did say weed was not necessairly cheaper, but of better quality in Amsterdam than in their city of orgin. From my unpercise research it seems that the best place to get good cheap weed is in cities with college campuses in the USA. Otherwise weed is cheaper in rural areas as a 'rule' and of better quality in cities. Amsterdam seemed to be the defining "Average" of world prices and quality from what I uncovered. I did hear that hard drugs in Amsterdam were cheaper and more available than in most places across the world, but I didn't investigate this further as its not pleasent walking up to drug addicts in the street. They alway ask for money  |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus I don't know what you mean. Recent studies I've seen have proven that daily consumption of alcoholic beverages (namely red wine and beer) actually increase ones health by decreasing risk to heart attack and other factors. So alcohol is not only harmless, its benificial.  |
my point was that pot doesnt have to be bad for you if you can handle it, not any worse than alcohol that 98% of everyone consumes...
this might be a little to late to say but i think i read in the thread somewhere where who should regulate the drugs the government or criminals. About that my dads cousin is involved in the mexican mafia and i don't mean hes a soldier he is pretty much a "boss" He is making millions of dollars my dad tells me stories of him filling up suitcases filled with cash and sending them to Chicago I am not sure what for. But basically he pays money to the cops the cops take it and he is still free. He enjoys a standard of living so ridiculous that it pisses me off. The small town in Mexico he was from he basically owns all the businesses. So when it comes to who should be making the money it should be the government because it is never right for people like my dads cousin to have millions when he is hurting people and he doesnt give a shit about them.
How many raging potheads have you seen?
...nuff said...
What does that mean? Let alone, how that doesn't even further the discussion. The question is should marijuana be legal. How does raging potheads prove either side of the arguement.
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| Originally posted by kush paintings What does that mean? Let alone, how that doesn't even further the discussion. The question is should marijuana be legal. How does raging potheads prove either side of the arguement. |
Thank you for clarifying.
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| Originally posted by George Smiley When I went to Amsterdam the weed was twice as strong and half the price that we get it for |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus Well I'm not suprised, everything is twice as expensive in the UK and taste like shit! Come on you know its true, you guys eat the blandest non-tasting food imaginable and pay the most for the "luxury" of doing it. I guess you Brits just happen to like your weed like you lke your food, dull and expensive On a side note, this would explain the large presence of odd-speaking englishmen that happened to be in Amsterdam ... and I thought it was the cheap flights... |
How many times must I say that to people here?!!??!?
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| Originally posted by kush paintings What does that mean? Let alone, how that doesn't even further the discussion. The question is should marijuana be legal. How does raging potheads prove either side of the arguement. |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus Actually that is not true. I was in Amsterdam about a month or so ago and I was very curious about the economics of it all. Was weed in Amsterdam cheaper? Was it better quality? Was it both? I mean we all know its legal there, but so what? |
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| Originally posted by techno:logy Maybe you encountered the 'tourist'-coffeeshops. Low-quality weed and high prices for tourists who can't separate weed from bushes. |
I'm going to post this topic on me and my friend site pbnd.tripod.com tell me if there is anything I should change, incorrect statements
The War on Drugs costs taxpayers $35 Billion a year. $35 Billion. Now, as a country founded by people that absolutely detested taxes, we might want to look at how well our taxed dollars are being put to use. My guess, really shitty.
The War on Drugs was started as a program to help deal with the rampant drug use that our country had begun in the 70s and 80s. Heavy drugs, such as cocaine and heroine where the main focus of the program during this period. Stiff punishments were handed out during this period in hopes of curbing the prevalence of these �hard� drugs. Well, for once the boneheads in charge got something right. Up until the 90�s the use of the drugs plummeted. However, since that time not much has change has happened, in fact like an old man on Viagra, drug use has gotten a second wind and grown. Although only about 5.4% of college students use cocaine, this number has doubled since 1993. And the wacky tabacky? Well, just like the users of this drug, its use has not really done much of anything, although it is very slowly growing. But the number of people that smoke the refer are much larger than the hard drugs. From anywhere between 15-20% of Americans have smoked el weedo in the past year. This is reflected in the War on Drugs.
So far this year, and for all you morons we are only a third of the way through, there have been 550,643 drug arrests. Holy shit boys! Way to go, you certainly are getting the job done! But wait, 256,053 of these arrests are for weed. By the end of the year there will be nearly 2,000,000 drug arrests, at least 45% will be marijuana offences.
Now any idiot can see my tone here. The questions I raise are; should nearly 1,000,000 be arrested for marijuana a year? Should we spend $5 billion a year just prosecuting these stoners, let alone incarcerating them? Let�s check out the reasoning behind �refer madness� and see if this drug should be illegal.
When smoked, weed lasts up to 24 hours. Negative effects while high include nausea, coughing, headaches, dizziness, loss of coordination, but nothing life threatening to you or any one around you. Over time, heavy use of weed has been linked to memory loss. Compared to legal drugs, such as tobacco and alcohol, cannabis is a sissy of a drug. While I do not smoke that refer, there are most users are able to function perfectly well in society. Something, chronic users of heavier drugs cannot. So it is clear then, weed is a relatively harmless drug.
For all you pranksters out there, try yelling fire in a movie theater and see where you end up. You�ll be some guy�s bitch in prison, that�s where. The reason is you are endangering the lives of others. This is why drug enforcement is needed. People can�t drive drunk, or high because they are endangering the lives of other. For those that do and don�t get caught, rest assured there�s a nice place in Hell reserved for you. For you selfish smokers, all of whom I would like to hit in the face with a bat, who smoke in public without the concent of people around you, you are endangering their lives. Your precious cigarette smoke is also filling their lungs, second hand smoke, and killing them. That is why public smoking should be illegal throughout the U.S. Hard drugs, such as cocaine and heroine need to be outlawed because they make their users unstable, and cannot be trusted within society.
Marijuana, however, is more of a combination of alcohol and cigarettes. If marijuana were legal in all cases except the following, there would be no threat to society, and there legality therefore would not be questioned. One, just as with cigarettes, a stoner should not be able to walk around smoking a joint getting everyone around him intoxicated. Although, being high on marijuana is not life threatening, if a bystander is high and does not realize it and say gets in a car, lives become threatened. Which brings us to two. As with alcohol, marijuana impairs judgment. Therefore, it should be illegal for some half-baked person to go to a shooting range and fire off a few rounds, or hop in a car to get some munchies. Aside from these cases, marijuana does not pose as a threat to human life, nor society. I believe it is crystal clear that it should be legal.
If marijuana were legal, drug enforcement officials could concentrate on the drugs that really matter, acid, crack, boom, rock, heroine, zippity dippity, and LSD. Also, taxpayers wouldn�t be paying billions of dollars to prosecute and incarcerate �dope fiends.� There are two things our government is wasting in the war on drugs, time and money. Yes, the war needs to continue, however, marijuana is about as threatening of an enemy as the army of Jamaica. Common sense. Marijuana should be legal, just as cigarettes and alcohol are. But, the refer madness will continue. Fear and tradition will outweigh reason once again, and our taxpayer dollars will continue to fight causes that simply need to be left alone.
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| Originally posted by techno:logy The Netherlands, however, are a great example of how toleration/legalisation gives government a firmer grip on specific markets. Prostitution has become more regulated and more safe. And although weed is not legal, the tolerated supply through coffeeshops has given the government more control. |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus Well I'm not suprised, everything is twice as expensive in the UK and taste like shit! |
yeah, its pretty hard to fight a war when you're high/tripping 
sorry, couldn't resist
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| Originally posted by Yoepus Ya ya, thats all nice and good. But has it not increased a vast wave of criminals and trafficers of harder drugs in the nation? I read somewhere a report once too that said that in the Netherlands with the legalisation of weed you see more and more hard drugs... forget where/when I read this.. |
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