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Originally posted by Snooper On the opposite, just because you like her doesn't make her a talented singer. Have you even heard her sing live? Didn't think so....

I forgot I was the only person on earth that finds her talented.

P.S. Who do you think is a talented vocalist? Sarah McLachlan?

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Originally posted by Hydarnes I forgot I was the only person on earth that finds her talented.

Well, a lot of people find Britney Spears talented, so your point was?

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Originally posted by Hydarnes P.S. Who do you think is a talented vocalist? Sarah McLachlan?

People who still sound good when their voices haven't been electronically processed and gone through shit hot mics and kit to make them sound good. No matter how good someone sounds on record, unless they can do the business live they aren't a good singer.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J People who still sound good when their voices haven't been electronically processed and gone through shit hot mics and kit to make them sound good. No matter how good someone sounds on record, unless they can do the business live they aren't a good singer.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by Snooper Well, a lot of people find Britney Spears talented, so your point was?

Well, since you seem so inclined to believe that you have all the answers you can start by telling us what the criteria is for making a vocalist talented or not.

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People who still sound good when their voices haven't been electronically processed and gone through shit hot mics and kit to make them sound good. No matter how good someone sounds on record, unless they can do the business live they aren't a good singer.

Umm..That's quite false. There are some singers that don't do well while singing in public for other reasons than just not having a good voice.

Of course, this whole debate is banal when we realize that taste is going to play a factor anyway. What you may call "terrible" someone else might called "wonderful". For instance, I think Sarah McLachlan sounds mediocre record, so how is live really going to change anything? How on earth am I supposed to trust that Kirsty Hawkshaw is a bad singer live when you're saying that she's a terrible singer on record?

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Umm..That's quite false. There are some singers that don't do well while singing in public for other reasons than just not having a good voice.

Public doesn't enter the equation. If someone is shy or suffers from nerves their voice doesn't get any worse, and they shouldn't be singing in public. Anyway, you can get live performances that aren't in public.

The point is: singers that still sound good outside the studio. It doesn't matter where, as long as it's live singing.

EDIT: And don't pull the bullshit card and try and say its down to opinion. What someone's voice sounds like is not opinion. There are clear ways to tell if someone can sing: their range, how well they hold notes and how long they hold notes etc.

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The point is: singers that still sound good outside the studio. It doesn't matter where, as long as it's live singing.

But then again, what is "sounding good" ?

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Originally posted by Hydarnes But then again, what is "sounding good" ?

Rap & Hip Hop Vocals

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EDIT: And don't pull the bullshit card and try and say its down to opinion. What someone's voice sounds like is not opinion. There are clear ways to tell if someone can sing: their range, how well they hold notes and how long they hold notes etc.

Oh, I agree that there are standards, but it still comes down to opinion, period.

And btw, going by the correct standards, Kirsty Hawkshaw is a very talented singer.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Rap & Hip Hop Vocals

lol...nice one

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Originally posted by Hydarnes And btw, going by the correct standards, Kirsty Hawkshaw is a very talented singer.

According to people that actually have heard her live she can't sing. I respect that she's your favourite singer, but until you've heard her sing outside the studio you have no foundation for calling her "talented". And that's a fact, whether you like it or not.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Oh, I agree that there are standards, but it still comes down to opinion, period. And btw, going by the correct standards, Kirsty Hawkshaw is a very talented singer.

Did she think up the words for 'A fine Day' ?? Whoever did has some imagination

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Originally posted by Snooper According to people that actually have heard her live she can't sing. I respect that she's your favourite singer, but until you've heard her sing outside the studio you have no foundation for calling her "talented". And that's a fact, whether you like it or not.

According to some people here she can't sing at all, so I have no reason to put any weight on whatever other comments they might offer concerning her live singing.

You can't fake high notes. If you've ever heard walking on clouds or blackout you know what I mean.

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Originally posted by RickyM Did she think up the words for 'A fine Day' ?? Whoever did has some imagination

It was penned by Edward Barton in the 80s.

She wrote "Just Be".

please, stop arguing, go watch/listen to her sing live somewhere. i have recorded myself singing and have completely fixed it up to make it sound reasonably good. trust me, i cant sing for shit. most of pop music is done this way now a days. ashlee simpson anyone? of coure hawkshaw sounds arguably good on mastered tracks and the like, but please just go watch one of the vids floating around with her singing live. its uncomfortable to say the least. if my memory serves me right, i think she sung on some shitty tracks in tiestos first TIC dvd. singing, i think, like most things based on opinion. take for instance, Bjork. Some people might say her voice is all over the place and just off key. Some people might say she has her own unique "style" and finese. but its pretty hard not to recognize, that in fact, she has quite a powerful voice. i have her live, and although it wasnt nearly as good as a mastered cd-quality recording, it was still clear that she had talent. yes, its true, bad quality singing isnt always attributed to talent. bad acoustics, awkward setting, etc...can sometime make for a bad performance. but generally you can still tell on some kind of level wether that person has a shred of talent or not. bring in mrs. hawkshaw. she sounds like shit all the time, except for cd recordings. now if you appreciate her on a cd recording and argue that she is good, well that is your opinion, because the evidence is there, you can indentify if she has any talent or not (when i say talent, im talking about the whole nine yards of singing), and arguably, it sounds like she has potential on digital recordings. please, please, please, and i cant stress this anymore, dont be the judge until you have heard her live.

i really apologize for my horrible grammer. its 6:58am and i havnt slept yet. im completely at loss for words, and would obviously have a better chance getting my point through if it werent for this damned sleep deprevation. i think my point is stated clearly, although a bit rough around the edges...

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Originally posted by Hydarnes She wrote "Just Be".

isnt she a genuine prodigy

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Originally posted by Hydarnes You can't fake high notes.

you can actually

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Originally posted by twisted please, stop arguing, go watch/listen to her sing live somewhere.

Obviously he wouldn't dare to do that, all his illusions would be broken....

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Originally posted by twisted please, stop arguing, go watch/listen to her sing live somewhere. i have recorded myself singing and have completely fixed it up to make it sound reasonably good. trust me, i cant sing for shit. most of pop music is done this way now a days. ashlee simpson anyone? of coure hawkshaw sounds arguably good on mastered tracks and the like, but please just go watch one of the vids floating around with her singing live. its uncomfortable to say the least. if my memory serves me right, i think she sung on some shitty tracks in tiestos first TIC dvd. singing, i think, like most things based on opinion. take for instance, Bjork. Some people might say her voice is all over the place and just off key. Some people might say she has her own unique "style" and finese. but its pretty hard not to recognize, that in fact, she has quite a powerful voice. i have her live, and although it wasnt nearly as good as a mastered cd-quality recording, it was still clear that she had talent. yes, its true, bad quality singing isnt always attributed to talent. bad acoustics, awkward setting, etc...can sometime make for a bad performance. but generally you can still tell on some kind of level wether that person has a shred of talent or not. bring in mrs. hawkshaw. she sounds like shit all the time, except for cd recordings. now if you appreciate her on a cd recording and argue that she is good, well that is your opinion, because the evidence is there, you can indentify if she has any talent or not (when i say talent, im talking about the whole nine yards of singing), and arguably, it sounds like she has potential on digital recordings. please, please, please, and i cant stress this anymore, dont be the judge until you have heard her live. i really apologize for my horrible grammer. its 6:58am and i havnt slept yet. im completely at loss for words, and would obviously have a better chance getting my point through if it werent for this damned sleep deprevation. i think my point is stated clearly, although a bit rough around the edges...

Listen, I'd love to hear her live but I'm all the way over here in northern America and she's in England. I have no idea when she'll be touring the USA.

BTW, give me a recording with her singing live, so I can judge for myself.

Look at other artists like Jes. She sounds great on vinyl but live she couldn't hold a note to save her life.

she had a nice voice.
while we first are talking about quality trance voices...

Eleanor Kenny (Ridgewalkers)
Colleen Kelly (Interstate)
Mavie Marcus (Andain)
Sarah McLachlan
Kirsty Hawkshaw (in Walking On Clouds)
Jes Brieden (Motorcycle) not very good live, but omg her voice sounds great on cd!!)

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Originally posted by alieu she had a nice voice. while we first are talking about quality trance voices... Eleanor Kenny (Ridgewalkers) Colleen Kelly (Interstate) Mavie Marcus (Andain) Sarah McLachlan Kirsty Hawkshaw (in Walking On Clouds) Jes Brieden (Motorcycle) not very good live, but omg her voice sounds great on cd!!)

When I first heard ATRC I couldn't believe how over-produced her voice was, which is why it shouldn't be surprising that her real voice isn't like that.

As for your list of "trance voices", don't include Sarah Mclachlan, she's not even a trance vocalist besides the fact that she doesn't even have the voice for trance (but a great voice or other styles nonetheless)>

majority of trance vocalists seem to be only good in the studio. however, there is one that i vouch for..

Marcella Woods.

caught her live at knowwhere last december and OMG i was blown away. She has great stage presence and CAN sing live....video proof: right click save as

you'll have to download and view it in quicktime tho. excuse the poor quality, but for a phone recording, i think she still sounds damn amazing....earlier in the night she also was quick enough to realize that when she stepped out into the crowd, her microphone started picking up on feedback and backed away where the walls made a partition...while still singing 'liberation' and not missing a beat.

some pics:

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Originally posted by twisted if my memory serves me right, i think she sung on some shitty tracks in tiestos first TIC dvd.

that was jan johnston & mavie marcos (from andain)

personally don't see what's with all the arguments about not judging singers until you hear them live. if you only want them for studio work, and they can sound good in a studio, then i don't see what the problem is?

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Originally posted by isoterra that was jan johnston & mavie marcos (from andain) personally don't see what's with all the arguments about not judging singers until you hear them live. if you only want them for studio work, and they can sound good in a studio, then i don't see what the problem is?

So when you like a vocal talent it isn't for their voice but for what a team of engineers can do to it?

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